skypine27

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So the 980Ti seems to be the one to get right now over the Titan X from what people are saying but surely the Titan X is still beneficial and worth it for those who are running 4K or looking to go 4K.
 
I think that they are both great cards but there are two different groups of people they are catered too.

If I were upgrading now (for example, my last upgrade was to replace my 2 x 980s with 2 x Titan Xs), I would probably go for a pair of 980Tis.
 
Even at 4K gaming, the tests are showing the Titan X is NOT any faster (only a few FPS which you wouldn't notice) than a 980Ti
 
(edit, the 2 x links I posted were "censored".  But go to tomshardware and anadtech and you can see game tests at 4k)
 
 
However, I have not yet seen a review of 2 x 980Tis vs 2 x Titan Xs at 4K gaming (4K is still largely unplayable with a single Titan X or 980Ti)
 

I would assume they would be almost exact.

skypine27

I would assume they would be almost exact.

My only theory (and it's a long shot) is that the extra 6GB per card on the X would prove to be more useful in SLI configs than in single card operation (i.e., you have 24GB of vRam on a pair of X's vs 12GB on a pair of Tis).  I've read around forums and this seems to be an accepted opinion, that SLI "uses more memory".  
 
But, until we read some reviews of 2 x 980Tis vs 2 x Titan Xs in SLI at 4K gaming, I guess we have no idea (but I wouldn't be surprised if you are correct, as in not much difference)

Might be the only saving grace for the Titan X is if it performs way better at 4k in SLI. If it performs the exact same I don't know why anyone would buy it over the Ti now. Some games might need more memory but it's not like 6GB is gonna hinder performance in the slightest.

VegetaCreeper
This stinks.  I understand that technology changes very fast.  But I spent over 1k a month ago and now this 980 gtx ti comes out with all the same speed but $400 cheaper?  
 
THIS STINKS

 

I sympathise with you but I think most people saw the 980ti coming months ago.  Titan cards have always sat at the pro-sumer/bragging rights end of the spectrum.  You don't lose either of those by owning a Titan X.
 
What has surprised me is that I was expecting this to launch for £800...

skypine27

Might be the only saving grace for the Titan X is if it performs way better at 4k in SLI. If it performs the exact same I don't know why anyone would buy it over the Ti now. Some games might need more memory but it's not like 6GB is gonna hinder performance in the slightest.

 
Yeah I agree with you man.  Tomshardware is getting an average FPS of 36 (for both the Titan X and the 980Ti) in The Witcher 3 at 4K.  In BF4 @ 4k, they are getting 48 FPS.  In Far Cry 4, the X gets 51 and the 980 Ti gets 48.  This (to me anyway) is unplayable and thus would require SLI to get acceptable game play for these titles at 4k.  If a pair of Xs is performing about the same as a pair of Tis, yeah, I'd agree with you and say nvidia just killed any reason to spend the extra $$$ for the X over the Ti.  I'm willing to bet that hardocp (they have a great forum too) will be one of the first to test Titan X SLI vs 980 Ti SLI at 4K, so we will know soon.
 
But I really don't understand why some of the posters in this thread want to SELL or return the X they already own.  Why would you sell your X and replace it with a WORSE card, even if it is literally only worse by 3-5 FPS in most titles?  I understand not everyone has an unlimited PC budget but to sell your X for $750 (that you already paid $1000-1100 for) and turn around and buy a 980 Ti for $650 literally makes 0 economic sense.
 
EDIT:
 
Heres a little "sneakiness" going on with the 980 Ti that explains why even though it should be 7-8% behind the X in games, it isn't:
 

 
The 980 Ti is boosting higher than the X in most titles.  Thats making up the difference.  

The best you can do is to get rid of the stock HSF on the Titan X and perhaps put it under custom water. I am planning to do soon. My SC Titan Xs are stable in SLI at ~1392-1418 MHz in Witcher 3 with a slight voltage boost and stock fans ramping up very high. :)
 
I'm wondering if the 980 TI clocks higher under water. Maybe, maybe not.

I'm just gonna wait for Volta.....that way I'll be assured that better cards won't be developed after my purchase.

The only part of Nvidia's behaviour that bothers me is the restriction on selling custom PCB's and air coolers for the Titan X, hence why we have to buy things like the ACX2.0 and dismantle the original Nvidia blower. Now that the 980Ti is effectively a Titan X sans the extra VRAM + better clockspeed and now also has the advantage of being allowed custom PCB — the 980 Ti Classified is going to absolutely massacre the Titan X.
 
But, with all that said, I'm happy with my Titan X as I wanted the extra VRAM & CUDA cores. That's more important to me than any extra 50Hz in clockspeed and 1-3 FPS. I'm just bummed about the custom PCB situation endemic in the Titan lineup.

I'm thinking the 970 'contraversy' got to most people when they heard the Titan X was going to be released, and didn't want to wait for the 980ti.
 
I hate being a jerk, but I face the realistics in life. Even if it was I that bought a Titan before the release of the 980ti, i'd still eat it. Everybody knew that the 980ti was coming out, but their antipication, hype, and impatience got the better of them. I don't like to troll on it, but this is how the GPU marketing works. It sucks. Look at the bright side, The titanX has more VRAM

n SLI

fluffy177

I have the Titan X Hydro Copper now and I can tell you water wont help with overclocking. I can't get anywhere near 1400 core without crashing and that's without even touching memory. I could only hope the Ti is better but who even knows. 

Keep in mind your single user experience may not represent the general trend.  My pair of Titan X SC in SLI are clocking to 1410 rock solid under water with Koolance blocks and an Exos II V3. There may be more in there but I haven't tried to push it yet. 
 
As for being bummed out...maybe a little.  I had a pair of Titan Blacks that were only a hair faster than the 780Ti, but the Blacks also carried the double precision which I liked for work usage. I'm a bit frustrated Nvidia trimmed this pro user level feature off of the Titan X and steered the marketing directly at gaming.  I knew the 980Ti was likely just around the corner, but I assumed a $200 price gap...not $350.  So it's a bit of an eyebrow raiser to lose the double precision on the Titan AND still have the Ti priced much lower. But I'm not too upset as this cycle always happens and its always been buyer beware at the high end.
 
Last point, although 6GB is nice and healthy, its not going to be a stretch to imagine gaming at 4K will eat that up by next summer. There was an error in a post above mentioning 12GB and 24GB of combined memory under SLI, which is incorrect.  Only the memory of a single card (in this case 6GB or 12GB) will be available in SLI. This is why memory levels are critical in SLI configurations and I always shop for the maximum amount of VRAM when I'm planning Multi GPU. 2 or 3 Titan GPUs can readily be fed by 12GB at 4K and should be strong runners into next spring.  I'm not as certain I can say that with 980Ti...although on paper it should be doable.  Then again, I remember the argument thread here just 8 months ago about 3GB of VRAM being enough on the 780Ti.     
 
 

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skypine27

Might be the only saving grace for the Titan X is if it performs way better at 4k in SLI. If it performs the exact same I don't know why anyone would buy it over the Ti now. Some games might need more memory but it's not like 6GB is gonna hinder performance in the slightest.

 
Yeah I agree with you man.  Tomshardware is getting an average FPS of 36 (for both the Titan X and the 980Ti) in The Witcher 3 at 4K.  In BF4 @ 4k, they are getting 48 FPS.  In Far Cry 4, the X gets 51 and the 980 Ti gets 48.  This (to me anyway) is unplayable and thus would require SLI to get acceptable game play for these titles at 4k.  If a pair of Xs is performing about the same as a pair of Tis, yeah, I'd agree with you and say nvidia just killed any reason to spend the extra $$$ for the X over the Ti.  I'm willing to bet that hardocp (they have a great forum too) will be one of the first to test Titan X SLI vs 980 Ti SLI at 4K, so we will know soon.
 
But I really don't understand why some of the posters in this thread want to SELL or return the X they already own.  Why would you sell your X and replace it with a WORSE card, even if it is literally only worse by 3-5 FPS in most titles?  I understand not everyone has an unlimited PC budget but to sell your X for $750 (that you already paid $1000-1100 for) and turn around and buy a 980 Ti for $650 literally makes 0 economic sense.
 
EDIT:
 
Heres a little "sneakiness" going on with the 980 Ti that explains why even though it should be 7-8% behind the X in games, it isn't:
 

 
The 980 Ti is boosting higher than the X in most titles.  Thats making up the difference.  

The best you can do is to get rid of the stock HSF on the Titan X and perhaps put it under custom water. I am planning to do soon. My SC Titan Xs are stable in SLI at ~1392-1418 MHz in Witcher 3 with a slight voltage boost and stock fans ramping up very high. :)
 
I'm wondering if the 980 TI clocks higher under water. Maybe, maybe not.

I have the Titan X Hydro Copper now and I can tell you water wont help with overclocking. I can't get anywhere near 1400 core without crashing and that's without even touching memory. I could only hope the Ti is better but who even knows. 

I am already at near 1400 MHz on stock HSF and stable in Witcher 3 which is good for me. Water will at least bring the noise down. :) Actually all cards I've had worked better on water as the GPU Boost is not throttled back by thermals at all. So by going water your stock boost clocks are steady. I rarely overclock my GPUs but I need every bit of performance in Witcher 3 with Titan X SLI and 1440p.

I knew when I purchased my Titan X that the Ti was coming.  They had to do something with the chips that didn't make the cut.  I made the purchase because I wanted to own the top card for once and was in a position to do so.  I am admittedly surprised at the $650 price tag, though.  I expected it to be $700-$750.  But I have no regrets.  It was a decision I made.
 
Now, when I can find another X for $750, I'll consider running SLI again!  Then I could probably skip the first Pascal run.
 
My biggest interest, as others have stated, is to see if this was to cut the throat of AMD because the Fury isn't as impressive as many think at a higher price point or because NVIDIA knows it is fabulous.

This happens every year, someone gets upset blah blah blah, after they spent $1000 on a card 90days prior to release of a better performance/dollar card.
 
We all knew the 980Ti was coming, stay informed, and if you can't find the patience to wait for it then don't complain. 
 
I blame AMD for the amazing 980Ti, thank you. 

I would feel wonderful with dear TITAN X SC near GTX980Ti... hoh... that would be paradise.
Full chip, configuration capable to stay operational 3 years without any sign of memory limitation, space for second TITAN X when price drop.
In that time people will play probably on several games where memory usage is around 6GB, GTX980Ti owners will think what to do, SLI will be risky option as now with 3-4GB cards...
And if someone tell you 980Ti overclocked is faster than TITAN X, it's not faster than yours TITAN X SC or Hybrid... nice feeling. 
Other people now want more to convince self that crippled card with 6GB is same as TITAN X but cost less, but it's not. 
TITAN X worth difference. Maybe normal not, but TITAN SC definitely worth price difference or Hybrid compare to any model GTX980Ti.
"There can be only one"...GeForce TITAN X 12GB!... overclocked 130-150MHz with improved cooling solutions.

Towards the end of the 700 series, i was fortunate enough to step-up to one of those 780 6GB cards. I'd say up until last Dec/Jan you could actually resell that card for $200 more than the 780Ti or the same price as the gtx 980, and that was was just for those 2 measly GBs extra. With Pascal supposedly not coming out until next year, that leaves a lot of time for 4K to become more mainstream and games to use up much more VRAM (as some already do).
 
Unless AMD blows everything out of the water, I see no difference in this playing out once it comes time to sell this Titan X off.      

VegetaCreeper
This stinks.  I understand that technology changes very fast.  But I spent over 1k a month ago and now this 980 gtx ti comes out with all the same speed but $400 cheaper?  
 
THIS STINKS

 

 
They are not the same. Titan X has more cores and more VRAM and it's $350 more, not $400.
 

VegetaCreeper
I JUST SOLD MY TITAN X FOR $750.00
GOODBYE NVIDIA, I'M HOLDING OUT FOR R9 390X
GOODBYE

HHAHAA.. I don't think you sold it.  You still have it!  The next time nVidia comes out with Titan xxx with pascal core for $$$$$$, you will be one of the first ones to buy it again.
 
 

Evga570

VegetaCreeper
This stinks.  I understand that technology changes very fast.  But I spent over 1k a month ago and now this 980 gtx ti comes out with all the same speed but $400 cheaper?  
 
THIS STINKS

 

 
They are not the same. Titan X has more cores and more VRAM and it's $350 more, not $400.
 

VegetaCreeper
I JUST SOLD MY TITAN X FOR $750.00
GOODBYE NVIDIA, I'M HOLDING OUT FOR R9 390X
GOODBYE

HHAHAA.. I don't think you sold it.  You still have it!  The next time nVidia comes out with Titan xxx with pascal core for $$$$$$, you will be one of the first ones to buy it again.
 
 

Depends what version you bought. The sc Titan is $1089 which puts it over $400.