stalinx20

Nvidia is a business partner. THey look at the price and what you're getting out of it. Realistically the cost of a Titan is currently right where it's supposed to be. You need to figure it's roughly $110-$125 for 1gb of ram. WHat i would recommend is get yourself a nice monitor to put out the nice images.
 
5k is coming. Maybe you can get one when they come out. Trying to come up with suggestions so you have a better justification that the Titan is a better card, *and* eventually the 12gb that you do have will be paid for down the road.
gtx 980ti might seem nice, but i have to agree with quite a few people... eventually 6gb is nothing once developers put out better images and textures. That 12gb will be worth it.

*i raise my glass to this post*

Add me to the list of keeping my Titan X's. Why wouldn't i?   Why would i down grade to a 980 ti? Or why would anyone really?

Sorry to hear you're bummed.  I've had 2 of these babies since launch and I don't feel the least bit ripped off.  Halo products... gotta love em!

to OP: Come on man, everyone knew it was coming, and it's not a waste, 12GB vs 6GB VRAM is still a large gain, it's just no current titles really need it, however if you purchased a Titan X for future proofing, it far more capable then a 980 Ti. 

Vipergtspa
I have been waiting for the TX to come back in stock through EVGA for a few weeks, still waiting. Now people who have them want to send them back and/or sell them because of the 980 Ti being released, makes no sense to me.
 
While I understand the frustration over the price gap between the TX and 980 Ti, I would rather have the stronger of the two card's for 1440P and 4K gaming. Also the TX's extra Vram is a big plus.
 
I am trying to decide on which of these GPU's I would like to purchase, but if I had gotten 2 TX's weeks ago I would not be returning them now. Just my 2 cents
 

To be fair, at 1440p that extra 6GB of memory you paid for will most likely never be used. If people aren't running at 4k and just bought a Titan X why wouldn't they return it and save $350 and get the 980Ti? That's a massive chunk of of money and could be out towards a second Ti. Not everyone has $2k to drop on X's but $1300 is much more attainable. That's just my thinking on it!

I'm already set up to return my X HC just need to pull it out. If it was running flawless I'd probably keep it and just eat the difference but the fact is it doesn't. No matter what I do the damn card crashes, even running on default everything. $1200 cards shouldn't be unstable on default settings so they can have it back.

fluffy177

Vipergtspa
I have been waiting for the TX to come back in stock through EVGA for a few weeks, still waiting. Now people who have them want to send them back and/or sell them because of the 980 Ti being released, makes no sense to me.
 
While I understand the frustration over the price gap between the TX and 980 Ti, I would rather have the stronger of the two card's for 1440P and 4K gaming. Also the TX's extra Vram is a big plus.
 
I am trying to decide on which of these GPU's I would like to purchase, but if I had gotten 2 TX's weeks ago I would not be returning them now. Just my 2 cents
 

To be fair, at 1440p that extra 6GB of memory you paid for will most likely never be used. If people aren't running at 4k and just bought a Titan X why wouldn't they return it and save $350 and get the 980Ti? That's a massive chunk of of money and could be out towards a second Ti. Not everyone has $2k to drop on X's but $1300 is much more attainable. That's just my thinking on it!

I'm already set up to return my X HC just need to pull it out. If it was running flawless I'd probably keep it and just eat the difference but the fact is it doesn't. No matter what I do the damn card crashes, even running on default everything. $1200 cards shouldn't be unstable on default settings so they can have it back.

I am not sure about the never using more then 6GB of Vram because no current card that I own has more then 4GB, so I can not test that out. Also later down the road may change things and that extra Vram could really help out.
 
I agree, that is one of my reasons for not wanting the TX. I can get 2 980 Ti's with the hybrid cooler for $1500 or 2 SC ACX+ for $1360. While getting 2 TX with the hybrid cooler would cost me $2200 or 2 SC TX for $2060. But for me I like having the current best GPU and that is the TX, so I just need to decide if it is worth the extra $700 for the best GPU on the market.
 
My main point is that If I owned a TX ( prior to the 980 Ti release) I would not return it for a 980 Ti but that is just my opinion. I would like to just get one of them if they ever stay in stock long enough lol.

fluffy177

Vipergtspa
I have been waiting for the TX to come back in stock through EVGA for a few weeks, still waiting. Now people who have them want to send them back and/or sell them because of the 980 Ti being released, makes no sense to me.
 
While I understand the frustration over the price gap between the TX and 980 Ti, I would rather have the stronger of the two card's for 1440P and 4K gaming. Also the TX's extra Vram is a big plus.
 
I am trying to decide on which of these GPU's I would like to purchase, but if I had gotten 2 TX's weeks ago I would not be returning them now. Just my 2 cents
 

To be fair, at 1440p that extra 6GB of memory you paid for will most likely never be used. If people aren't running at 4k and just bought a Titan X why wouldn't they return it and save $350 and get the 980Ti? That's a massive chunk of of money and could be out towards a second Ti. Not everyone has $2k to drop on X's but $1300 is much more attainable. That's just my thinking on it!

I'm already set up to return my X HC just need to pull it out. If it was running flawless I'd probably keep it and just eat the difference but the fact is it doesn't. No matter what I do the damn card crashes, even running on default everything. $1200 cards shouldn't be unstable on default settings so they can have it back.

You must have gotten some bad cards. My titan x's worked perfectly at stock & overclocked speeds.

The Titan X was always supposed to be a luxury card, and still is.  Every review I read said it wasn't worth the price unless you just wouldn't miss a grand, as you could get 2x 970 for less with better performance and the 390x and Ti weren't far down the line.

The X still has 6 GB more of GDDR5 RAM, which isn't cheap, and uses a fully functional GM200--we 980 Ti peasants get the chips that aren't good enough for the top class.  In theory that should also make X chips on average more overclock-able, since for now the Ti's are getting chips something went wrong with that might also affect their OC.  Plus you get bragging rights and can look down on us peasants driving Avalon's rather than Cadillac's....

At any rate, latest rumor is the AMD R9 Rage X (new name for what people thought the R9 390x was going to be) has been shown to partners at Computex and for now at least is losing to the 980 Ti in benchmarks, even though it's supposed to MSRP at $800--that's why I pulled the trigger on the 980 Ti now.  And maybe why Nvidia released the 980 Ti now at lower than AMD's planned MSRP, to completely screw up their release plans.

AnonymousGuy|| EVGA Titan X SLI ||

Lol, there is a man who knows what he wants.  But I suspect you'll be upgrading again next year regardless--Pascal on 14nm with HBM2 is going to be too hard to resist.
 

If it's true that the 980 Ti is faster than the top card AMD was to announce later this month--with the AMD card using more power, having less RAM, and comparing water cooled to air cooled--, and it's true AMD planned to sell that card at $800, then Nvidia has dealt a death blow to AMD's entire line up for this year by releasing the 980 Ti now at $650.  What can AMD do now--go forward with their launch, "So, we've got this card that uses more power and a hybrid cooler to give less performance than Nvidia, and we'll only charge you $150 more for it?"  Strategically, that's brilliant--AMD almost has to cancel their launch or sell their cards for a steep loss at $500 or less instead of $800.

I completely agree it's in Nvidia's best interest to show the Titan X buyers some love, which they can afford to do now--maybe another free game, or a retroactive $100 rebate, something that wouldn't cost them a whole lot but which build good will people would remember...

Of course there's probably a reason I'm not head of marketing for Nvidia.

Titan X is definatly a faster card than the 980 Ti but no way in hell is it $400 better, the real world performance numbers put it 4% further max. If you have $400 to spend for a 1-4% increase than by all means go for it.
 
 

AnonymousGuy

ARMYguy
Add me to the list of keeping my Titan X's. Why wouldn't i?   Why would i down grade to a 980 ti? Or why would anyone really?

The scenario I see...you could afford 3x Ti's for the price of 2x X's.  In a year when 6GB isn't enough anymore, you could sell all 3 cards and buy new gen cards with 8GB of VRAM, it's pretty much guaranteed you're not going to lose 53% in the resale value ($350...the difference between an X and a Ti).
 
There's no reason to buy a X unless you somehow use > 6GB, which I don't even with GTA V completely maxed out.  Or you don't want to bother upgrading in a year.  Or you're space constrained and want the fastest thing you can get period.
 
EDIT: Also if you watercool, upgrading frequently can get expensive because waterblocks are pretty much a complete writeoff.  So if you watercool then an X maybe comes out ahead a bit financially over a Ti.

I never had plans to go triple cards, just wanted to do 2 cards. Yes no game uses the extra ram, but i like knowing that if some crazy mod comes out, i will be able to laugh at it no matter the texture sizes. Peace of mind has a cost too !

fluffy177

Vipergtspa
I have been waiting for the TX to come back in stock through EVGA for a few weeks, still waiting. Now people who have them want to send them back and/or sell them because of the 980 Ti being released, makes no sense to me.
 
While I understand the frustration over the price gap between the TX and 980 Ti, I would rather have the stronger of the two card's for 1440P and 4K gaming. Also the TX's extra Vram is a big plus.
 
I am trying to decide on which of these GPU's I would like to purchase, but if I had gotten 2 TX's weeks ago I would not be returning them now. Just my 2 cents
 

To be fair, at 1440p that extra 6GB of memory you paid for will most likely never be used. If people aren't running at 4k and just bought a Titan X why wouldn't they return it and save $350 and get the 980Ti? That's a massive chunk of of money and could be out towards a second Ti. Not everyone has $2k to drop on X's but $1300 is much more attainable. That's just my thinking on it!

I'm already set up to return my X HC just need to pull it out. If it was running flawless I'd probably keep it and just eat the difference but the fact is it doesn't. No matter what I do the damn card crashes, even running on default everything. $1200 cards shouldn't be unstable on default settings so they can have it back.

I agree with this, and any game that does use over 6gb vram, you will not be able to run it at 4k 60fps on a single Titan x anyway. Fact is, the Titan x is a 1440p card. It's not a 4k card unless you SLI or are happy with 4k/30fps. And if we are talking about SLI, i'm sure the 980 ti SLI will be a monster.

I just don't buy into his keeping for the extra vram. The card is powerful, but it's not all powerful and it's not really a 4k card. Mine runs Witcher 3 at about 40-45 fps on 4k with hairworks and AA turned off. After playing with the card, heavily, for over a week. It's just no value in it for gaming over the 980ti, tbh.

Beasthunt

Vipergtspa
I have been waiting for the TX to come back in stock through EVGA for a few weeks, still waiting. Now people who have them want to send them back and/or sell them because of the 980 Ti being released, makes no sense to me.

While I understand the frustration over the price gap between the TX and 980 Ti, I would rather have the stronger of the two card's for 1440P and 4K gaming. Also the TX's extra Vram is a big plus.

I am trying to decide on which of these GPU's I would like to purchase, but if I had gotten 2 TX's weeks ago I would not be returning them now. Just my 2 cents

To be fair, at 1440p that extra 6GB of memory you paid for will most likely never be used. If people aren't running at 4k and just bought a Titan X why wouldn't they return it and save $350 and get the 980Ti? That's a massive chunk of of money and could be out towards a second Ti. Not everyone has $2k to drop on X's but $1300 is much more attainable. That's just my thinking on it!

I'm already set up to return my X HC just need to pull it out. If it was running flawless I'd probably keep it and just eat the difference but the fact is it doesn't. No matter what I do the damn card crashes, even running on default everything. $1200 cards shouldn't be unstable on default settings so they can have it back.

I hate to be a nut, but what makes you think it's actually the GPU and not your internal hardware?
 
Have you done some tests to confirm it's the GPU? What kind of hardware are you using to support the Titan? What error messages are you receiving that is causing the GPU to crash?
 
In a perfect world, I would expect to just plop my GPU in my PC and expect it to turn on and play "jingle all the way", but theres too much going on within a PC to make it work that way, too many components, drivers, software involved. Maybe we can help you get your Titan to work correctly.

Beasthunt
 
I agree with this, and any game that does use over 6gb vram, you will not be able to run it at 4k 60fps on a single Titan x anyway. Fact is, the Titan x is a 1440p card. It's not a 4k card unless you SLI or are happy with 4k/30fps. And if we are talking about SLI, i'm sure the 980 ti SLI will be a monster.

I just don't buy into his keeping for the extra vram. The card is powerful, but it's not all powerful and it's not really a 4k card. Mine runs Witcher 3 at about 40-45 fps on 4k with hairworks and AA turned off. After playing with the card, heavily, for over a week. It's just no value in it for gaming over the 980ti, tbh.

 
I think you are failing to understand how VRAM with SLI works. Regardless of the number of GPUs you only have the VRAM limit of a single card to work with. So SLI 980Ti will have a max of 6GB. SLI TX will have 12GB.  It is not unreasonable to expect 4K gaming and/or game mods to use more than 6GB. And with TX in SLI you have 2 full blown GM200 to push the pixels.  That's a sweet 4K gaming set up.  Although 12GB of VRAM is more than even multi GPU GM200s can process it does provide the needed overhead.  I suspect 8GB or so would be the sweet spot for having enough VRAM to feed multi GM200s.  But 6GB is not going to be enough to push 980Ti SLI at 4K with Ultra settings. 
 
 

narrn001
Lol everyone is saying the Titan X is worth it because of the extra VRAM. Lol just look at the real world numbers, it barley makes any difference in games @ 4K currently compared to 6GB.
 
Then comes the argument that it will future proof when games do use more than 6GB of VRAM. But when will games use so much VRAM that it will actually make a difference, because atm it does not. When, later this year? Next year? When games finally do require 12GB VRAM to actually make a reasonable performance increase (which I highly doubt is anytime soon), by that time new generation cards will be released (Pascal/arctic islands) with much better performance, and most likely even more VRAM.
 
And not to mention if DX12 let you stack VRAM from multi GPU setups.

 
DX12 VRAM stacking is only theory at this point.  And when released, developers need to use it.  That's going to take time and who knows just how fast that adoption rate would be.  I certainly wouldn't be plunking cash down on 2 980 Ti cards in "hopes" the DX12 VRAM stacking comes to save my bacon in SLI.
 
Yes, at single GPU there is little difference between 6GB and 12GB.  But in multi GPU set ups at 4k it makes a difference today in some games already. Give that 6 more months and 6GB will be surpassed more frequently.  GTA V is already pushing 5GB+ at 4k.
 
I'm not claiming everyone should go out and buy TX over 980 Ti.  980 Ti is likely the best pick for most folks.  But for those who plan on multi GPU at 4k+ the extra VRAM has definite value.  It's  surreal how this conversation mirrors the one the 780 Ti guys were banging on about how 3GB was enough....until it wasn't..