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SirGTX
I am so depressed over the recent price gouging from 3rd party retailers. I am in the process of purchasing components for a new build and can't seem to catch a break finding a good deal for a GPU. It seems that I will be stuck waiting until prices fall.  

Blame the damned cryptocurrency miners for that!!

this is ignorant
 
supply is the problem. mining was FAR more profitable in nov/dec and GPU's were everywhere. we are on the edge of a new gen release. production has scaled down .....too far down. the idea most likely was to exhaust 10 series stock before the 11 series release. nvidia just timed it completely wrong having exhausted supply in jan rather than mar
 
retailers aren't getting pallets of cards anymore, they are getting UPS boxes full 
 
two theories exist on this and i have no idea which is true. theory 1 is ram and cards are in low production thus the trickle. theory 2 is pascal is at end of life and there is no more production. the existing supply is being trickled on to the market daily to prevent there from being literally none until next gen launches. if i had to guess i would say there is more evidence for theory 2

Tbh I feel like the powers that be, whoever they are, are milking the heck out of the 1080 ti's since there is no urgency to compete with vega. I think perhaps once Amd comes up with something that is on the heels of pascal then we will see Volta (?)

We are going to see something sooner rather than later. How good it is is another question. When intel was dominating CPUs we got these little itty bitty tiny increases. The 4790k is within a couple percent of the 7700k you literally have the single-digit increases generation over generation. Since AMD is basically uncompetitive with gpus right now Nvidia has no real push to do anything over the top. At the same time if they give us a 30% bump it better positions them for the coming AMD cards down the road. The only thing we know is next gen is going to use gddr6. Beyond that there isn't too much. If you look back 6 years Nvidia is pretty predictable with what they do though

I think retailers have to milk the hell out of the existing cards. They just aren't getting the supply to make the money in volume.

There is also a very real concern that a lot of Pascal cards are going to go on the used Market when the next generation is in full swing. They are likely going to be considerably more efficient and some of these giant miner outfits that literally bought pallets of cards over the past year may be looking to upgrade. That's going to put a lot of used 10 series cards on the market in the later half of 2018. You definitely don't want a supply of new old generation cards on the Shelf in that situation

probably see the next gen ti card somewhere in 2019. normally nvidia milks it by releasing 1-2 cards at first like they did with the 1070-1080 then the 1060 comes along then lastly the 1080ti comes along
 
1070-1080 were in may and this time around the announcement is almost certainly going to be in march with cards in stock april something. may at the latest. probably be 1-2 cards and if they do it like last time the 70 series card will be around 1080ti performance while the 80 series card is better. sometime in summer they will release a 60 series card that could be maybe 1080 level? who knows on that one. the part i'm excited about is supply. samsung is in full production on gddr6. the next gen Ti is too far away to even speculate on
 
with gddr6 and better efficiency they will likely be excellent miners which may lead to good deals on pascal cards. $500 1080ti's second hand would not surprise me at all by summer 
 
also keep in mind "Intel CEO Brian Krzanich said in the company’s latest earnings call that Intel were busy making fundamental changes to the silicon of their next set of processors in order to fix the problems caused by Spectre and Meltdown, and that we’ll start to see these “silicon-based fixes” by the end of 2018."
 
if you're a gamer on a 4790 or better i personally would wait until black friday 2018 to build. card market will be stable and we will have considerably better cpu's . 8 core 16 thread 10nm ice lake is likely to be this reference. they were in design at D1x which is literally 3 miles from my house last year or before. i'm sure the release was held up by specter. the 2016 release notes would of had 10nm out now. now 10nm is looking like late 2018 for full production 

There was some additional bundles posted. Today we will have FTW3 cards

Good luck to everyone wanting to grab a card today! 

EVGA_JacobF
There was some additional bundles posted. Today we will have FTW3 cards

Interesting that the bundles come with boards with relatively few PCIEx1 slots. Well played. 
 

6393 will be available in bundles today.

EVGA_JacobF
6393 will be available in bundles today.

OH... Ohhhh. well I might just get an FTW then. >_>

Cool! Is there a rough idea of the "window" of when they will be posted?

Check back around 2PM PT.

QuintLeo
It takes a lot more than 2 weeks from "order chips for the new product" to "new product ready to ship".
Try 2 MONTHS as a ballpark estimate minimum - and keep in mind that initial production will be at least in part to validate the whole design/production process.
They will also want to build up some stock on Volta consumer cards before they make them available for sale - if they can.
 
 With that said, the fact that NVIDIA cards got hammered hard for well over a week before AMD cards started getting hammered hard indicates that it is NOT "miners" causing this shortage (or at least not JUST miners).
 
 I grant that miners are probably PART of the cause - but normally that would cause insane shortages on the AMD side and Nvidia would not start getting hit 'till the RX 470/480/570/580 got into 1070 price range.
 THIS TIME AROUND, the Nvidia 1070 and up were getting hammered and gouged right around New Years - but AMD cards didn't start getting really hammeded 'till late THIS week.
 
 I suspect it is a combination of factors.
 
 TSMC mentioned in an earnings forcast a few months back that they expected to start production on Volta cards around the end of 2017.
 This would indicate that Pascal production would start ramping DOWN around the same time.
 
 Nvidia seems to have had a very good Holidays sale season - shortages were noticeable around Christmas, while AMD cards were still widely available though prices did climb a little.
 
 Cryptocoin pricing in general had a big jump around mid-December, but miners seem to have been inclined to "wait and see" a bit to see if the jump would SUSTAIN before they started building new rigs again.
 
 
 My current guess is that Volta consumer cards will be "announced" at GTC in late March timeframe but might not be available for sale for a month or two after that.
 They might follow the Pascal launch timeframe instead and not announce 'till May though.
 
 With little competition from the current AMD lineup, they don't have much if any incentive to "push" the dates up.

with you on this. we also have samsung stating gddr6 is in full production for next gen graphics cards. 
 
they do have a bit of incentive though
 
that is actually selling cards ! as you correctly point out it takes a couple months to do a production run and there is a very good chance next gen was starting production late last year. it feels like they just did not correctly estimate the demand until launch. we blew through supply by the start of jan and now nvidia is in this position of either A. making another pascal run or B launching next gen. by the time the shortage was obvious we were in 2018 and a new pascal run would ramp up supply right into the new release. who knows, maybe they will do that with the 1050, 1060 etc since it's unlikely they will release the entire next gen lineup all at once. CDW actually mentioned they expect a massive shipment at the end of march but wouldn't give details. i asked if it was pascal or next gen and the only answer i got was "both" no further details. the end of march would be about right for another pascal production run and also the launch of GTC or GDC with next gen supply shortly there after
 
i think the one place miners have some of the blame was with the massive december run up. chances are more cards sold than expected then and we blew through supply that was expected to last longer than it did

Hi, @EVGA_JacobF
 
Any word on stock for FTW3 Hybrid cards or the FTW3 Elite K1 or K2 ?
 
Thank you!

Thank you Jacob, I will keep waiting.

EVGA_JacobF
Sorry no ETA right now, the FTW3 HYBRIDs were in bundles but all gone now.

Hey Jacob any 1070 Ti Hybrids?

Ladies and Gentlemen, It's official! I'm having a baby! A baby GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 graphics card that is! I don't even know what I just bought but I think it's green!

Thanks @EVGA)JacobF for the dreams come true, I'm even going to name it after.... YOU! :-)

How many days, weeks, or till hell freezes over does one have to wait to buy another card?
Would like to do SLI  

Dark Marauder
Ladies and Gentlemen, It's official! I'm having a baby! A baby GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 graphics card that is! I don't even know what I just bought but I think it's green!

Thanks @EVGA)JacobF for the dreams come true, I'm even going to name it after.... YOU! :-)

Congrats