bhphotovideo had supernova 1200 earlier

Loaded up my Titan XP today, Wow. I had to take a day off cause I was so excited. Its too bad Ill not have two 1080TI kingpin cards this time around, since they are never in stock. But, Ill always buy from the local company EVGA next time later on this year. I was laughing at the prices on Amazon and other sites. If there is opportunity, Ill buy a few cards and resell at my cost to someone local, There are a lot of people at work who want a card but cant buy due to price gouging.

Man, it really is a struggle right now. I've always pushed friends to build rather than buy PCs, but with RAM and GPU prices where they are now (if you are even able to find a GPU), pre-built computers are often the best price/performance option.
Pretty much all I play right now is Rainbow Six Siege, and I'd love to be able to keep a steady 144 frames without dropping my resolution.
I just keep refreshing my gmail hoping that I can hop on a 1080 Ti as soon as the stock notification comes through...

Someday, maybe us plebs will get access to these cards!

SleepingHero
Are no products coming out this weekend?

Yes, gotta wait till they start again Monday. 

Viper453
I think if nvidia made it where top end cards required 16 lanes it will cripple mining pretty good.

 It would also cripple multi-GPU setups for gaming, as VERY VERY FEW MOTHERBOARDS offer more than one slot with 16 lanes to each slot (the x16 slots are often actually x4 or x8, and in many cases an x16 SLOT will only run at x8 if more than one GPU is installed).
 TO be specific, NO Ryzen-based motherboard does so to date (you have to go Threadripper to manage that trick), and I'm not aware of any Socket 1151 motherboards that do so outside of WAY EXPEN$IVE HIGH END WORKSTATION ones, usually multi-CPU.
 It also would have little effect on mining ANYWAY as the bulk of mining cards are AMD, not Nvidia.
 

 
 

juankfuentesr
AMD and NVidia combined shipped AT LEAST 10 million GPUs each quarter last year - the total was close to 50 million for the entire year.
Miners accounted for AT MOST 10 million GPUs sold ALL OF LAST YEAR, based on "total network hashrate" added to all cryptocoins that can use GPUs - my ACTUAL estimate is closer to 5 million, but it presumes miners bought mostly the higher hashrate cards for each coin.
 

I always love it when someone uses data and fact. 

Have been watching EVGA website recently (Europe) hoping to catch a 1080 ftw2, and despite seeing prices rise haven’t actually seen any stock come in only only pretty much every other 10 series go out of stock. Any chance someone from EVGA could give a possible eta on some European stock.

biznoogity

cactuspher
 

juankfuentesr
AMD and NVidia combined shipped AT LEAST 10 million GPUs each quarter last year - the total was close to 50 million for the entire year.
Miners accounted for AT MOST 10 million GPUs sold ALL OF LAST YEAR, based on "total network hashrate" added to all cryptocoins that can use GPUs - my ACTUAL estimate is closer to 5 million, but it presumes miners bought mostly the higher hashrate cards for each coin.
 

I always love it when someone uses data and fact.

 
Could it have been 8 million alone for last quarter and 2 million earlier in the year, or has mining GPU consumption been at a steady rate?

 
For mining, 1'st quarter was pretty dead - probably well under 1 million GPUs sold - as coin prices were pretty much flat 'till right at the end of that quarter.
2'nd quarter was HOT, as coin prices jumped a TON across the board, often 10x their previous price and in some cases more, and miners started building a ton of new rigs. I'd guess HALF of the mining related sales last year were in 2'nd quarter, and was big enough to lead to  gouge pricing on AMD cards that ended up going so high that they impacted certain NVidia card pricing some for a few weeks.
3'd quarter, prices were flat to dropping a hair, and demand dropped back way down again, perhaps 2 million GPUs sold and availability and pricing dropped a long ways back towards normal (especially on NVidia cards, AMD was still seeing somewhat high pricing).
4'th quarter, continuation of the 3'd quarter as pricing stayed pretty flat 'till just before Christmas, but there's always a LAG while miners decide "is this just a very short spike or are prices jumping long enough for new rigs to have a chance to pay off".
 Probably a million GPUs sold to miners at most, and a LOT of those Vega (it was widely mentioned in mid-to-late November that "Vega is a KICKASS card for mining Monero (XMR) and other Cryptonight coins" at which point Vega cards quickly sold out and stopped being discounted, prior to that it was considered not all that good on price performance compared to the high-end Polaris cards for mining).
 
 It's also notable that on ALL mining-driven shortages, that AMD always went "out of stock" and "price gouged" FIRST, not Nvidia - there is a lot more demand for AMD cards in mining overall - Ethereum ALONE probably accounts for more AMD cards than ALL CRYPTOCOINS COMBINED on Nvidia cards - there are more GPUs mining Ethereum than all other coins combined FOR CERTAIN, and Ethereum has always been a major AMD stronghold (the GTX 1060 and 1070 are the only cards that can compete even at GOUGE PRICING on the AMD side, but AMD Polaris cards have to get into the 1070 price range for the 1070 to become a cost-effective option - and even THEN the 1070 is usually more profitable on other coins).
 
 There were at least 2 million cards in use in mining BEFORE 2017 as well - the LARGE BULK of those AMD - might have been closer to 3 million.
 
 The CURRENT shortage hit Nvidia at least a week BEFORE it hit AMD to the same level - at this point when coupled with the number of reports that PC sales and high-end CPUs from AMD and Intel all had major "up" years, I'm inclined to the notion that the current shortage is mostly GAMER driven, and that both Nvidia and AMD (but more Nvidia) had VERY good "Christmas sales" seasons in 2017 - coupled with the reports out of TSMC that Nvidia is shifting production out of Pascal and into Volta Consumer cards apparently hitting at a bad time....
 
 
 

QuintLeo

biznoogity

cactuspher
 

juankfuentesr
AMD and NVidia combined shipped AT LEAST 10 million GPUs each quarter last year - the total was close to 50 million for the entire year.
Miners accounted for AT MOST 10 million GPUs sold ALL OF LAST YEAR, based on "total network hashrate" added to all cryptocoins that can use GPUs - my ACTUAL estimate is closer to 5 million, but it presumes miners bought mostly the higher hashrate cards for each coin.
 

I always love it when someone uses data and fact.

 
Could it have been 8 million alone for last quarter and 2 million earlier in the year, or has mining GPU consumption been at a steady rate?

 
For mining, 1'st quarter was pretty dead - probably well under 1 million GPUs sold - as coin prices were pretty much flat 'till right at the end of that quarter.
2'nd quarter was HOT, as coin prices jumped a TON across the board, often 10x their previous price and in some cases more, and miners started building a ton of new rigs. I'd guess HALF of the mining related sales last year were in 2'nd quarter, and was big enough to lead to  gouge pricing on AMD cards that ended up going so high that they impacted certain NVidia card pricing some for a few weeks.
3'd quarter, prices were flat to dropping a hair, and demand dropped back way down again, perhaps 2 million GPUs sold and availability and pricing dropped a long ways back towards normal (especially on NVidia cards, AMD was still seeing somewhat high pricing).
4'th quarter, continuation of the 3'd quarter as pricing stayed pretty flat 'till just before Christmas, but there's always a LAG while miners decide "is this just a very short spike or are prices jumping long enough for new rigs to have a chance to pay off".
 Probably a million GPUs sold to miners at most, and a LOT of those Vega (it was widely mentioned in mid-to-late November that "Vega is a KICKASS card for mining Monero (XMR) and other Cryptonight coins" at which point Vega cards quickly sold out and stopped being discounted, prior to that it was considered not all that good on price performance compared to the high-end Polaris cards for mining).
 
 It's also notable that on ALL mining-driven shortages, that AMD always went "out of stock" and "price gouged" FIRST, not Nvidia - there is a lot more demand for AMD cards in mining overall - Ethereum ALONE probably accounts for more AMD cards than ALL CRYPTOCOINS COMBINED on Nvidia cards - there are more GPUs mining Ethereum than all other coins combined FOR CERTAIN, and Ethereum has always been a major AMD stronghold (the GTX 1060 and 1070 are the only cards that can compete even at GOUGE PRICING on the AMD side, but AMD Polaris cards have to get into the 1070 price range for the 1070 to become a cost-effective option - and even THEN the 1070 is usually more profitable on other coins).
 
 There were at least 2 million cards in use in mining BEFORE 2017 as well - the LARGE BULK of those AMD - might have been closer to 3 million.
 
 The CURRENT shortage hit Nvidia at least a week BEFORE it hit AMD to the same level - at this point when coupled with the number of reports that PC sales and high-end CPUs from AMD and Intel all had major "up" years, I'm inclined to the notion that the current shortage is mostly GAMER driven, and that both Nvidia and AMD (but more Nvidia) had VERY good "Christmas sales" seasons in 2017 - coupled with the reports out of TSMC that Nvidia is shifting production out of Pascal and into Volta Consumer cards apparently hitting at a bad time....
 
 
 

Well, hopefully with that historical context, card supply should slowly catch back up.  New CPUs from the reginited AMD/Intel battle I'm sure contributed to that.  Thanks for the insight.

Auriga88

sixty7velle
I don't think I could stomach buying a pre-built. A friend of mine purchased a $7500 origin pc several years ago that turned in to a nightmare. Looked great, full custom water cooling and lighting, custom painted case, all top end parts. Ended up leaking water on to the mobo on his first day. Got it back 2 months later after being replacing parts. Would barely run without crashing. Sent back to origin. They reused the ram that turned out to be faulty. After about 6 months of "repairs", origin mailed him a brand new pc with a new custom painted case and upgraded his cards to newer models. Didn't cost him any more, but it was still a huge aggravation mailing a giant pc back and forth.

Yeah, this.
 
Pre-builts are just full of... unknown cost-cutting. It really sucks what's happening to DIY builds right now. I think my laptop with a 1060 in it is cheaper than if I tried to build a desktop with the same GPU/RAM right now. Crazy.

 
Pre-built can work out good. My last 3 machines have been custom builds by HP. Always the gaming line of their pc's. My oldest one is still going strong its over 5 years old now and has a i7 2600 in it. With all this madness going on now I just put in a order for a new build today for Omen. The ssd is a M.2 as well. Any ways total came out to be $2,514.99 I like to buy a new pc every 2-3 years. And this one in my sig is coming up on 3 years.  
 
[<font]•750 W Platinum efficiency power supply
•WLAN RT 8822 ac 2x2 +BT 4.2LE WW
•NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1080Ti 11G
•Office Trial
•No Optane
•BU ICTO UMA Z370
•8th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-8700K
•Windows 10 Home
•McAfee Livesafe (30 day)
•HP USB Wired Keyboard with volume control
•32 GB memory
•512 SSD + 2 TB HDD storage
•No ODD Option
•Black Interior Paint; Side Window; External 3.5" Bay; Liquid Cooling Solution (95w Processor)

Hello all!
 
I see that EVGA offers the "Elite" version of the SC2 card under the serial number 11G-P4-6693-KR, is this card at all different from the regular EVGA 1080 Ti SC2 model with the serial number 11G-P4-6593-KR?
 
I'm interested in adding a graphics card to pair up with my regular EVGA 1080 Ti SC2 for gaming, and would like to get matching cards. I'd also like to get one sometime this year so I'm trying not to let a little thing like serial numbers stop me. I'm an "elite" member already, so I understand the concept of the "elite" items in stock, but it struck me as somewhat odd the serial numbers are different on these cards and I wanted some confirmation that they're the same.
 
Appreciate the help!
Great thread and awesome service that Jacob is doing for everyone.
 
Thank you

My problem with prebuilds is 3fold.
 
 1) They want to charge quite a bit for the assembly fee.
     Not entirely unjustified, but I hate paying for work I have DONE myself professionally and they usually charge a lot MORE than they should for the work.
 2) Most prebuilds insist on you paying for a copy of Windows.
      Just to add insult to injury, it's usually Windows 10 - that I have ZERO interest in suffering through again.
 3) Parts. I have yet to see ANY prebuild system that I could specify QUALITY power supplies on, among other issues with the parts used.
     I have yet to see ANY prebuilder use Seasonic or EVGA G2/P2/T2 power supplies (or even Silverstone on lower-end stuff).
     They also tend to use power supplies that are "just enough" - DELL is notorious that way, as is Alienware since Dell bought them out - and leave NO room for expansion.
     Far too many "prebuilders" equate parts that are NOT equal quality, or insist on using whatever is cheapest and not GIVING you an option - "it's a 1080" as if a Gigabyte ITX 1080 is equal quality to a EVGA SC 1080.
    They also have a bad habit of making you buy stuff you don't want or need - like junk CASES (I have ZERO use for cases on most of my builds).
 
 I do concede that most folks didn't spent 10+ years as a PROFESSIONAL computer tech and don't have my background and experience, and that prebuilt systems are a much better choice for most folks.
 

I'm just a new pc gamer trying to buy a gtx 1080 and all these cryptominers buying up the stock won't let me buy one for a decent price.

All are equal to blame.  The miners are the last bunch to rush to buy at end of year (cycle) for cards.  Don't forget AI / Learning machines are using more and more GPU power/chips.