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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 12:07:45 (permalink)
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Anyone else having that "reset all" to BSOD problem with Precision and the FPB?





Me. Happens in afterburner as-well.


Well that makes three of thus so far. Hopefully there are more to hopefully get this patched.

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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 12:48:10 (permalink)
Just done a quick google and its not just EVGA cards that are doing it.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 15:10:47 (permalink)
i have a gtx470 and a gtx460 in my system.  can i flash the FPB without worry or should i take out the gtx470 first?
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 15:18:07 (permalink)
1.1 Released!

New in version 1.1 - Fanspeed on External Exhaust cards can now be reduced to 30% in EVGA Precision (Part numbers 01G-P3-1371-XX and 01G-P3-1373-XX Only)


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 15:26:26 (permalink)
nevermind, it had the new bios out of the box apparently.  720/1440mhz oob so i'm good.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 15:29:43 (permalink)
werdwerdus

i have a gtx470 and a gtx460 in my system.  can i flash the FPB without worry or should i take out the gtx470 first?


The utility should only recognize and flash the 460 in the machine.


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 15:45:39 (permalink)
The link for the non-SC 1024 EE card needs to be updated to the new 1.1 version. I had to enter it in the browser bar manually because the current one links to version 1.0 still.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 15:52:44 (permalink)
Not sure how that happened, should be fixed now!


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:03:38 (permalink)
post edited by ASowa42 - 2010/08/17 16:08:09
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:07:13 (permalink)
Hello,

I just installed my 460 and flashed it successfully.  I then installed the newest edition of Precision (1.9.6) and have followed the directions posted above, but when I go into Precision's settings to change the skin to the 460 skin, there's no such option.  There are only multiple choices of colors for the default skin.

I've rebooted my computer after installing Precision and it's still the same.  Any ideas why I don't have an option for about 460 skin?

Thank you very much.

PS.  Precision information gives me the following info-

Display device:  GeForce GTX 460 on GF104 GPU
Display driver:  Forceware 258.96
Bios: 70.04.0b.00.64

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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:08:29 (permalink)
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i d/l the 1.0 version and already have it installed on my card.  I ran it thinking it was the 1.1 and now the dos window is still in busy mode. What should i do to avoid a problem.


1.1 is in busy mode? Does it say to press Y?


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:11:05 (permalink)
I can hardly hear the fan now :)

Thanks EVGA 
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:12:37 (permalink)
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1.1 Released!

New in version 1.1 - Fanspeed on External Exhaust cards can now be reduced to 30% in EVGA Precision (Part numbers 01G-P3-1371-XX and 01G-P3-1373-XX Only)


Jacob, any idea if this new version will fix the "reset all" -> BSOD that a few (or more) of us are having?

460 1GB EE SC

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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:19:14 (permalink)
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1.1 Released!

New in version 1.1 - Fanspeed on External Exhaust cards can now be reduced to 30% in EVGA Precision (Part numbers 01G-P3-1371-XX and 01G-P3-1373-XX Only)


Jacob, any idea if this new version will fix the "reset all" -> BSOD that a few (or more) of us are having?

460 1GB EE SC


It probably won't, can you give me more details on this? Did it happen before the update? Also can you try completely removing and reinstalling drivers?


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:20:09 (permalink)
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Hello,

I just installed my 460 and flashed it successfully.  I then installed the newest edition of Precision (1.9.6) and have followed the directions posted above, but when I go into Precision's settings to change the skin to the 460 skin, there's no such option.  There are only multiple choices of colors for the default skin.

I've rebooted my computer after installing Precision and it's still the same.  Any ideas why I don't have an option for about 460 skin?

Thank you very much.

PS.  Precision information gives me the following info-

Display device:  GeForce GTX 460 on GF104 GPU
Display driver:  Forceware 258.96
Bios: 70.04.0b.00.64


For the 460 skin, you will need to install the Precision that is on the driver DVD that came with the card.


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:32:34 (permalink)
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Hello,

I just installed my 460 and flashed it successfully.  I then installed the newest edition of Precision (1.9.6) and have followed the directions posted above, but when I go into Precision's settings to change the skin to the 460 skin, there's no such option.  There are only multiple choices of colors for the default skin.

I've rebooted my computer after installing Precision and it's still the same.  Any ideas why I don't have an option for about 460 skin?

Thank you very much.

PS.  Precision information gives me the following info-

Display device:  GeForce GTX 460 on GF104 GPU
Display driver:  Forceware 258.96
Bios: 70.04.0b.00.64


For the 460 skin, you will need to install the Precision that is on the driver DVD that came with the card.


Ah, okay.

Thank you very much for the quick response.


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:42:22 (permalink)
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1.1 Released!

New in version 1.1 - Fanspeed on External Exhaust cards can now be reduced to 30% in EVGA Precision (Part numbers 01G-P3-1371-XX and 01G-P3-1373-XX Only)


Jacob, any idea if this new version will fix the "reset all" -> BSOD that a few (or more) of us are having?

460 1GB EE SC


It probably won't, can you give me more details on this? Did it happen before the update? Also can you try completely removing and reinstalling drivers?


Sure, let me type up a detailed report once I have more time to test this new 1.1 version. Stay posted.



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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:45:43 (permalink)
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1.1 Released!

New in version 1.1 - Fanspeed on External Exhaust cards can now be reduced to 30% in EVGA Precision (Part numbers 01G-P3-1371-XX and 01G-P3-1373-XX Only)


Thanks Jacob works great. Currently on auto @ 30%, and GPU1 is idle @ 46c, GPU2 is idle @ 42c. Also it is 90F outside prolly 95-100 in my computer room haha. 
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 16:55:34 (permalink)
Nothing to do with the FPB BIOS update. Precision 1.9.6 ( have not tested the previous versions) is erratically BSOD- buggy on "Reset ALL" from "custom" shader (core) and memory clock settings --- with the GTX460 as shipped. 
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 18:34:23 (permalink)
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Nothing to do with the FPB BIOS update. Precision 1.9.6 ( have not tested the previous versions) is erratically BSOD- buggy on "Reset ALL" from "custom" shader (core) and memory clock settings --- with the GTX460 as shipped. 


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/17 20:20:30 (permalink)
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Nothing to do with the FPB BIOS update. Precision 1.9.6 ( have not tested the previous versions) is erratically BSOD- buggy on "Reset ALL" from "custom" shader (core) and memory clock settings --- with the GTX460 as shipped. 


Is that so?

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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/18 07:57:21 (permalink)
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1.1 Released!

New in version 1.1 - Fanspeed on External Exhaust cards can now be reduced to 30% in EVGA Precision (Part numbers 01G-P3-1371-XX and 01G-P3-1373-XX Only)


My fanspeed is now 30% idle by default, no need to change anything in Precision to get there.  Thanks for listening EVGA.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/18 12:40:25 (permalink)
New in version 1.1 - Fanspeed on External Exhaust cards can now be reduced to 30% in EVGA Precision (Part numbers 01G-P3-1371-XX and 01G-P3-1373-XX Only)


Will similar love ever be shown for the 768-P3-1360-XX? Mine had this very loud whine at 40%, and I would have liked to try knocking it down a point or two instead of bumping it up. Also, changing the default speed to control noise isn't terribly useful without being able to set up a custom fan curve in Precision.


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/18 13:09:13 (permalink)
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1.1 Released!

New in version 1.1 - Fanspeed on External Exhaust cards can now be reduced to 30% in EVGA Precision (Part numbers 01G-P3-1371-XX and 01G-P3-1373-XX Only)


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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/18 15:30:48 (permalink)
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Here it is, the EVGA 460 FPB Update, changelist as follows:

  • New in version 1.1 - Fanspeed on External Exhaust cards can now be reduced to 30% in EVGA Precision (Part numbers 01G-P3-1371-XX and 01G-P3-1373-XX Only)
  • Core/Processor clock increased to 720/1440 (Part numbers 768-P3-1360-XX and 01G-P3-1371-XX Only)
  • Fanspeed unlocked to allow up to 100%


FPB is an interesting beast. I have done some quick profiling of the Thermal/Fan speed characteristics with Furmark 1.8.2 on my eVGA GTX460 SC External Exhaust (-1373) and have discovered some interesting facts. Clock speed GPU 763MHz, Memory 1900MHz, all factory-default for the GTX46) SC EE.
 
OBSERVED BEHAVIOR:
1. The GF104 hard-throttles around 98-99 degrees C; an observable drop in Furmark frame-rate occurs and the Furmark temperature graph suddenly flattens at ~99 degrees C GPU core-temp REGARDLESS OF FAN SPEED. (The hard-throttling may either be an internal attribute of the GF104 itself or triggered by the video-card BIOS. No matter, such protection is really necessary...... GPU core-temps consistently exceeding 100 degrees C are not long-term healthy for the GPU silicon.)
2. Before FPB (with the original eVGA -1373 BIOS) , the GF104 Core Temp vs Fan Speed had the following pattern, as measured using eVGA Precision OSD:-
 
      70 degrees C   ---- ~50%
      80 degrees C   ---- ~60%
      90 degrees C   ---- ~70%
      99 degrees C   ----    80%  (Furmark integrated temperature/time graph suddenly flattens at this temperature, the Furmark frame-rate drops back a few FPS as the GF104 throttles and the fan-speed stays statically maxed out at 80%. If Furmark is allowed to continue to run at this temperature, the frame-rate continues to drop slowly and eventually stabilises. WARNING: Prolonged running of Furmark is NOT recommended....  )
                                  
3. With FPB V1.0 (-1373 card) the Thermal Profile vs Fan Speed remains IDENTICAL TO THE ORIGINAL PROFILE above in paragraph #2, with just ONE exception ---- when the temperature reaches the throttle-point (~ 99 degrees C), the fan-speed SUDDENLY JUMPS from 80% to 100%. The only noticeable benefit from that jump is that the loss of frame-rate during throttling is a little less severe than when the fan maxed out at 80%. FYI: After Furmark is shut down on a return to Desktop, the fan speed gradually falls in a continuous fashion from 100% to 40% as the GPU cools down. However, on the temperature ramp-up, the fan-speed shift from 80% to 100% is always a step-function and totally synchronous with the GF104 frame-rate throttle and the consequent flattening of the Furmark temperature/time curve.
 
4. With FPB V1.1 (-1373 card), the Thermal Profile vs Fan Speed remains identical to the behavior in paragraph #3, except that the lower fan-speed limit becomes 30% instead of 40%.
=========================================================
COMMENTS (again solely in reference to FPB with the -1373 SC EE version of the GTX 460):-
It seems that the only real benefit of the FPB fan speed jump from 80% to 100% at the throttle-point is to protect the GF104 by helping to reduce the internal thermal stess during throttling.. Since the profile of Fan Speed vs GPU Temperature in FPB is identical to the profile in the original GTX460 SC EE BIOS as shipped except for the 20% speed jump at the throttle-point, then there is zero net temperature-reduction/timing margin benefit at any temperature below the throttle-point. That is extremely disappointing. I initially naturally assumed that FPB would have modified the default Speed Profile in a CONTINUOUS way up to 100% maybe as follows:-
         70 degrees C  --- 50%  (Originally 50%)
         80 degrees C ---- 70%  (Originally 60%)
         90 degrees C ---- 85%  (Originally 70%)
         99 degrees C ---- 100%  (Originally 80%)
Hopefully FPB V1.2 will replace the overclock-useless fan-speed jump from 80% to 100% at the GPU throttle-point with a more reasonable continuous fan-speed thermal profile --- such as outlined above.
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Some related observations on the fan/heat-sink combo in the SC -1373 External Exhaust:-
 
This combo does not appear to be up to the cooling task even when only default factory-overclocking the card, at least when compared with a previous similar-dissipation excellent-overclock performer from the eVGA stable.
 
With Furmark running, the GTX460 SC EE fan/heat-sink combo should have reached thermal equilibrium well below the GF104 throttle temperature. ( FYI: During my quick test series, the GTX460 EE Intake air temperature was ~ 27 degrees C, GPU idle temp at 30% fan was ~ 40 degrees C.)
 
For reference, I own a eVGA super-clocked GTX260 Core216 (55nm GPU) SSC which clocks the GPU readily to 700MHz (factory-default 675MHz).  In exactly the same location in the same computer, this GTX260 @ 700MHz reaches thermal equilibrium at GPU core 90 degrees C in Furmark Extreme Burning mode and with NO thermal throttling whatsoever. That thermal equilibrium is also reached with a fan speed ~ 80-85%, still plenty of head-room.
 
Since the full-load power-dissipation of the GTX260 Core216SSC and the GTX460SC are pretty comparable ( ~ 160-180 watts), it does seems that the GTX460 SC EE deserves a comparable-performing heat-sink/fan combo. As a minimum, a full copper heat-sink/heat-pipe instead of the copper/aluminum hybrid, given the constrained space. Or maybe a mini-version of the "overflow"-style a la GTX480. I'm sure that the open-fan non-EE version of the GTX460 SC (-1362) is a much better thermal performer than the -1373. However, the thought of most of the 160 watts of power being 'exhausted' inside the computer case instead of being exhausted outside is not particularly attractive. The eVGA GTX260 Core216 series got the External-Exhaust fan/heat-sink design really right. Maybe eVGA should revamp the GTX460 EE design to more closely match the thermal/mechanical design of the GTX260 Core216 series ?
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/19 04:39:56 (permalink)
Couple questions to any in the know. I ordered a computer through Cyberpower PC and it should get here on monday. It's going to have 2 EVGA NVIDIA GTX 460 1GB SUPERCLOCK cards running in SLI, would I need this update? Also will I be able to register my cards even though its technically an OEM situation? Their site and my invoice doesn't specify if its the EE version or not. Thanks for any info.

Btw I think its truly awesome that EVGA does this sort of thing, along with having both SLI and driver profiles and overclocking/performance utilities available and easy to find on the site. Always appriciate a company going above and beyond for their customers.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/19 06:57:40 (permalink)
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/19 08:02:29 (permalink)
FPB wen´t wrong :-( 
Please help
  
 
post edited by granini - 2010/08/19 08:53:27
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/19 09:02:29 (permalink)
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FPB wen´t wrong :-( 
Please help
  
 



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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) for GTX 460 Now Available 2010/08/19 09:13:17 (permalink)
You´re welcome, np! ;-)

Just need the original, former BIOS of my EVGA GTX460 768MB SC card.

P/N: 768-P3-1362-ER
 
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