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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 16:00:22 (permalink)
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That was what I was wondering. Does the 2.0 mean twice as cool, or twice as expensive?


I think the y-graph represents the increments of what "factor of performance" is being done with the Titan versus the 690.  This is based on an average of what the 690 did in these PC Game titles, but it could vary in real life applications.  It could deviate alittle from the average.
 
So lets think theoretically.  If in BF3, the 690 did an average fps of 47 FPS, 1080 x3 with 4x MSAA, Post Processing, 3.3ghz cpu frequency.  This only applys to surround.  One titan does actually less than a 690, from what this graph is telling us.  The red bar is below the 690's black bar.  It's not by much.  You can interpret it by a factor of 0.1 less (0.5 - 0.1 = 0.4).  So the 690 actually does a little bit better with 2 gpus, than a single Titan in BF3, but the difference isn't by much.  So if this is true, 1 single Titan probably performs alittle under this 47 FPS.  It could be higher, but the Titan is behind by a factor of 0.1, from what this graph is telling us.
 
Another thing to consider is this.  The 690 is a dual gpu card.  So we can conclude that half of 0.5 factor is equal to 1 gpu.  In other words, 0.5(0.5) = 0.25.  It's a factor performance of 0.25 to 1 gpu on the 690.  One gpu on the 690 only does a performance factor of 0.25 versus the Titan's 0.4.  So in conclusion, the single Titan Gpu does almost twice the work a single gpu does on a 690.  That's a significant increase.  An increase a little under 100% of what a single gpu on a 690 can do.  Another interpretation is this:  If a 690 has a performance of 47 fps, one could argue that 1 gpu is only doing 23, 24 fps (47 x 0.5).  If a Titan is almost doing twice a single gpu on a 690, the Titan would have an FPS of roughly 43, 45 fps...
 
This is part of the point, if you read behind the razzle dazzle and the lines of this graph.  Just looking at the BF3 section of the graph.  The graph indicates that the 3-way SLI out-performs 2 690s, but it's indicating, which is more important than the point about it's performance, that a single gpu on a Titan is almost doing the work of a single 690.  In my own conclusion, I would think that its unpractical to purchase a 690 when a Titan can almost does the same job, not taking into account any issues with a budget to purchase the cards.
 
3-way SLI suffers from less deminishing returns on the fps performance with a Titan almost across all titles.  1 Titan does 0.4, 2way SLI Titans could possibly do 0.75, and 3-way SLI Titan's can possibly do 1.1, under 1.2.  I'm just looking at BF3.  One would think if 3-way SLI, there was no deminishing returns on FPS performance, there would be a 0.4 x 3 way SLI = 1.2 performance factor-3way SLI.  I guess one could argue that their will be less deminishing returns, fps-wise.  3-way SLI gpus won't scale 100%, but it won't scale down significantly as 3 680s in SLI.  I guess this could be another perk for Nvidia's Titan.  The deminishing returns on the Titan is less in 3-way SLI.
 
The red bar indicates the peak fps performance of 1 Titan.  Between red and blue, it's 2x Titans in SLI.  Blue bar and the peak, it is 3way SLI Titans.  Same goes for the 690.  Between 0 to the black bar, it's one 690.  From the black bar to the peak, it's 2 690s in SLI.  Look at the legends on the upper right hand corner.  Dark Green = GTX 690 "Quad-SLI."  Light Green = GTX Titan "3-way SLI."
 
Now for the Crysis 3, Max Payne 3, Far Cry 3, this is were the bigger message gets a little hard to swallow, and this is Nvidia's top point about this graph.  This is their message to AMD.  Let's still assume theoretically, that this 0.5 mark is 47 FPS with 3 1920 x 1080, 4xMSAA, 3.3ghz processor core frequency.  So in this graph, looking only at Crysis 3, Nvidia is stating that one Titan can do roughly 0.1 more than the 690 with just one gpu.  So 47 fps + 0.1(47 fps) = 51.7 fps, or 52 fps.  That's just with a single Titan Graphic Card.  The Titan does the same performance with Far Cry 3 and Max Payne 3.  3-way SLI Titan will do significantly more better, and it scales better, as far as FPS performance.  3-way SLI Titans will have an average fps of 47.0 fps x 3-way SLI Titans = 141 FPS.  141 FPS average = the 1.8 performance factor rating.
 
This is the key message that Nvidia is sending to AMD.  It's basically saying that PC games optimized for AMD cards, will have extreme competition with Nvidia's new GTX Titan.  Personally, I think this is Nvidia's "more potent," counter-punch to AMD message about their Game Bundle, and the fact that Crysis 3 is siding with AMD.  Unless Crytek sent Nvidia a copy of Crysis 3 in advance to display this graph, I will conclude that the Crysis 3 benchmark of this graph is all "smoke and mirrors."  Performance of GTX Titan versus on Crysis 3 could be lower, but more than likely, it will be a lot higher.
 
In theory, you can theorycraft the numbers between AMD 7000 series gpus versus the Titan.  Take the average fps of all benches from 3rd party websites that do benches on the 7970x2 or 7970 ghz edition.  Get them from Far Cry 3 (an AMD optimized game) and Max Payne 3.  Find out what the average is, and obtain the averages for 690 in this same PC Game titles.  From this graph you know that the 690 is pulling a performance factor of 0.5, and the Titan is 0.6.  So get the fps of the 690, compare the two.
 
Personally, I wouldn't believe this graph.  I think it's to bias, and full of hype.  It's Nvidia's way of kicking AMD in the balls, or an attempt to do just that.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 18:02:48 (permalink)
 
 
New Features such as GPU Boost 2.0 lets users manually overvolt and overclock their GPU without any restrictions hence achieving better clock speeds through Boost tech while users would be delighted with the new 80 Hz Vsync technology that allows better framrates in the latest gaming titles.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 18:15:57 (permalink)
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 18:21:09 (permalink)
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Tri and quad SLI actually scale really well when at high resolution and AA. I routinely get 97+% on my tri and quad 680/7970's setups. It's noobs who run tri-quad setups at 1080P and with broken SLI profiles that give it a bad name.

There is a place for 3/4 GPU, and it is only at very demanding applications. Of course the chart was just to ballpark and not be exact. 

It always varies per game without a doubt.  From what I have seen, altho I am not 100% sure about this one, it seems that lower performance cards suffer greater losses from SLI when compared to high performance cards in SLI excluding dual GPU cards.  Such as 2-way SLI GTX650s vs 2-way SLI GTX680s.  Another one that I am 100% certain about and is actually the worst SLI efficiency I have seen so far is putting multiple dual GPU cards in SLI, very poor performance gains.  I cringe when I see people with two GTX690s, such a waste of money.  Also one reason why the benches posted of tri-SLI Titan vs quad SLI GTX690s is something I am ignoring until I see other benches because quad SLI GTX690s are not much faster than a single GTX690.  I think that chart was constructed to create a false impression to boost sales and when assessed by those that understand the terrible SLI scaling of quad SLI GTX690s, it doesnt say much for tri-SLI Titans; although I think it is safe to say the drivers for the Titan are not optimized to the fullest yet.  Regardless it wont stop me from getting a titan to OC to the max because all I care about is having the fastest single GPU card available.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 18:22:06 (permalink)
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New Features such as GPU Boost 2.0 lets users manually overvolt and overclock their GPU without any restrictions hence achieving better clock speeds through Boost tech while users would be delighted with the new 80 Hz Vsync technology that allows better framrates in the latest gaming titles.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-officially-unleashes-geforce-gtx-titan-gk110-gpu-decimates-single-chip-gpus/#ixzz2LJ3mLYz9


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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 18:37:10 (permalink)
http://www.3dcenter.org/n...orce-gtx-titan-geleakt
 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 19:05:41 (permalink)
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New Features such as GPU Boost 2.0 lets users manually overvolt and overclock their GPU without any restrictions hence achieving better clock speeds through Boost tech while users would be delighted with the new 80 Hz Vsync technology that allows better framrates in the latest gaming titles.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-officially-unleashes-geforce-gtx-titan-gk110-gpu-decimates-single-chip-gpus/#ixzz2LJ3mLYz9


I'M SOLD IF THIS IS TRUE! Must find money from somewhere. Wonder how many pennys I have in the center console of my car

 
Except for the fact that the design of the card is set in stone, so good luck using more than 300W per card (75W PCIe + 75W 6-pin + 150W 8-pin). However, it does look like there is room for one more 8-pin, so perhaps a "Classified" version is possible (for $1500...).

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 19:16:03 (permalink)
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Except for the fact that the design of the card is set in stone, so good luck using more than 300W per card (75W PCIe + 75W 6-pin + 150W 8-pin). However, it does look like there is room for one more 8-pin, so perhaps a "Classified" version is possible (for $1500...).

Bring it on, I want the ultra version.  If the lights in my house dont dim when I max out the card in a game I know I didnt OC enough.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 19:19:37 (permalink)
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Except for the fact that the design of the card is set in stone, so good luck using more than 300W per card (75W PCIe + 75W 6-pin + 150W 8-pin). However, it does look like there is room for one more 8-pin, so perhaps a "Classified" version is possible (for $1500...).

Bring it on, I want the ultra version.

By time the classified titan is released the 780 will be out. 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 19:32:49 (permalink)
300 watts PCIe sig compliance

 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 19:34:52 (permalink)
Titan is reference design only, no special edition. Just like GTX 690. No stickers even, just NVIDIA logos etc. What do you guys think happened to the EVGA GTX 680 2Win or the ASUS MARS III?
 
Titan will be no different than 690 in that regard.
 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 19:35:29 (permalink)
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300w per card? only in pcie 1.0

slot wattage
pcie 1 -75 watt
pcie 2 150watt
pcie 3 300 watt

so 150+150+75=375watts  in pcie 2
and 300+150+75=425 watts in pcie 3

Plus can't the card(s) draw extra power from a molex or the EVGA Power Boost



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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 19:39:25 (permalink)
Just wondering how many 690's were produced?

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 19:47:18 (permalink)
No idea, somebody else might know, but they're still being made at least.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 20:06:45 (permalink)
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Except for the fact that the design of the card is set in stone, so good luck using more than 300W per card (75W PCIe + 75W 6-pin + 150W 8-pin). However, it does look like there is room for one more 8-pin, so perhaps a "Classified" version is possible (for $1500...).

Bring it on, I want the ultra version.

By time the classified titan is released the 780 will be out. 

 
780 being out wouldn't matter, according to all the rumors on the 780 I have read, it is going to be a gk114 chip, aka 680 respin. Unless its maxwell in which case, that is still a long while off.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 20:22:05 (permalink)


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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 20:22:29 (permalink)
correction
if I read this right
 
75 watts from slot only
http://www.pcisig.com/dev...baa0856011c665ac770768
 
150 from on 8 pin rail
and 75 from 6 pin
75(slots)+75(rail)+150(rail) = meets 2 slots wide standard PCI sig 3.0 standards


however they can exceed these standards
 
max is (75 W + 3×150 W)
 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 20:39:16 (permalink)
Well the product life cycle of video cards is short. Every 9-12 months a new cards comes out
 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 20:57:27 (permalink)
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correction
if I read this right

75 watts from slot only
http://www.pcisig.com/dev...baa0856011c665ac770768

150 from on 8 pin rail
and 75 from 6 pin
75(slots)+75(rail)+150(rail) = meets 2 slots wide standard PCI sig 3.0 standards


however they can exceed these standards

max is (75 W + 3×150 W)


 
They can, but this card only has a 6-phase and 2-phase VRM for GPU and memory respectively. That is going to limit how much juice this card can suck. I'm not saying the card is bad. I'm just saying, restrictions are restrictions; and nVidia, Intel, and maybe AMD are moving to a more controlled future. It ensures high quality, but also stagnates innovation from 3rd party manufacturers.
 
I can't really say if it is worth it or not. Since I'm not an OC enthusiast like some (with liquid nitrogen and the such), I actually enjoy the higher quality products.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:04:12 (permalink)
considering there is only 50 watts of room on the card don't expect much OC..ie 20% at best
if they do offer a Classified or extreme version in a few month expect the extra 8 pin to be used (2x 150+75) or (2x150+75+75)
375 watt or 450 watt
 
but that would depend on AMD's response to the titan
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:05:34 (permalink)
Although in all seriousness, a card like this doesn't need to be overclocked. There is no such thing as a Crysis game these days.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:06:00 (permalink)
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Well the product life cycle of video cards is short. Every 9-12 months a new cards comes out

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:06:32 (permalink)
Ok, now it's the 19th.... where is this card?  Is this the best hoax ever?  AHHHH!

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:09:19 (permalink)
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Although in all seriousness, a card like this doesn't need to be overclocked. There is no such thing as a Crysis game these days.

Try Dark Souls with Durante's latest fix @ 1600p everything maxed.  I am highly skeptical that I will be able to max everything out, even if I liquid cool a Titan Classified Ultra with high-end liquid cooling equip and OC to the max.  This game is incompatible with SLI and if you dont maintain a minimum fps of 60 you will drop to 30 causing a terrible gaming experience.  It is the new "Crysis" for single GPU cards.
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:13:49 (permalink)
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Ok, now it's the 19th.... where is this card?  Is this the best hoax ever?  AHHHH!

18th was partial release from NDA
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:17:40 (permalink)
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Ok, now it's the 19th.... where is this card?  Is this the best hoax ever?  AHHHH!

18th was partial release from NDA
19th comes Benchmarks
21st is official paper launch


 
Call me a  noob and laugh, but does paper launch mean we can actually buy the card from e-retailers? o.O


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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:22:20 (permalink)
Well the product life cycle of video cards is short. Every 9-12 months a new cards comes out
 
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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:32:09 (permalink)
Xavier Zepherious
considering there is only 50 watts of room on the card don't expect much OC..ie 20% at best
Don't forget your history: GTX580 also had a 6+8 pin configuration at 244W reference power draw, and hwbot has plenty that OC'd from a 700MHz stock to 900MHz on air and up to 1200MHz w/LN2.  Although hwbot doesn't differentiate from non-ref that may have used 8+8 pin configs, or mods to add even more power.  
 
With people claiming their GK104 VDDC current at 90A and VDDC voltage at around 1v, that is 90W for the GPU alone; scaled up to Titan by freq and CUDA cores would be around 130W (someone has to confirm w/GPUZ).  
 
Considering the only spec difference between GTX570 and GTX560 Ti 448-core was 32 CUDA for a cost of 9W of power, reverse calculating shows that the GF110 in GTX580 would be up at 154W at reference of 1566MHz shader.  Although having less Vram chips and overall circuitry, it was 66W away from maximum.  For Titan, 50W could translate very well if all energy was focused in raising GPU base clock frequency.
 
Especially if people modded the PCB for even more power disregarding their warranty.
 
Overall, overclocking headroom isn't just about the number of power connections, considering Titan has unlocked voltage but that the clock isn't more than 100MHz above K20X certain says something about what nVidia was confident in setting for stock.  They may or may not OC well, in the end it is still a lottery.

For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 21:39:58 (permalink)
ya know, on another note, I wanna see what kingpin can do with 4 of these.

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Re:First NVIDIA GeForce Titan 780 Performance Numbers Revealed 2013/02/18 22:11:02 (permalink)
Bruno747

ya know, on another note, I wanna see what kingpin can do with 4 of these.

You mean the 4 cherry picked ones EVGA is going to give him


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