Johnny_Utah

minger66

lehpron

cisco0623
You guys are right, I apologize - I did not intend to come across so opinionated myself.

I would not have apologized if I made your comment.  It wasn't remotely offensive just because people used their insecurities to imply that anyone critical of their opinion is somehow suppressing it to shut you down.

It a graphics card for God's sake, not a family member; I don't understand why people put so much emotion in this hobby, it should be devoid of emotion.

Yet there are sensitive people complaining when they hoped for the best (as if they were being gifted for being loyal) all while never bothering to plan for the worst (not affording), and took competition for granted by naively expecting the same price-performance scaling as if there was competition -- not nVidia's problem, the price isn't a rip off, nor is nVidia greedy.   Just entitlement cop-outs, and Titan's price puts them in their place and they don't like it.  Whoop-dee do.

I did the math, I knew what to expect and I'm not let down by the reviews; the irony is that I was never planning to purchase Titan, I may never.  What's everyone else's excuse?  We had an entire month to speculate, and it somehow never crossed anyone's mind that the lack of an AMD competitor coupled with the ability to scale beyond GTX690 in SLI would become the biggest hint towards the high price.

Sorry, but Nvidia is being greedy and it is overpriced.  That is not being emotional, but it is being realistic.  The 690 came out a year ago, if you want to charge the same price, offer something that performs better than year old tech.  Supply and demand is a wonderful thing, the market will decide if the price is right, but to try to rationalize that $1,000 for this card is reasonable is out of touch.  The real issue which you and many others completely miss is that Titan is not meant to replace anything.  It's a boutique product designed and priced to sell very few units, an enhancement to the existing product line that very few will be able to use.  That is why people are pissed, this is not the start of a new line of products which always garners excitement, but a huge screw you moment by Nvidia.  So you want a better card, ha ha, here it is, pony of a grand sheep.  Personally I could care less, my 690 abuses every game I throw at it, but for those who have been waiting for the next offering, yeah I would be very disappointed. 

You can cry yourself to sleep trying to figure out how people can "rationalize" purchasing this.  In the mean time, a lot of people will be enjoying the Titan even though you don't "approve".  

I'm not going to go into a dissertation on how out of touch your post is, so have a great night.

I think he nailed in the coffin. The point is it a boutique item I mean I have a GTX680 FTW + when it came out it that was pricey. I think what it really is that the whole bull last year with the 104 chip set and than rumors that the 110 was around the corner. Than several months later Nivida said they were not going to do the 110 in the mainstream gaming yet and they were going to wait. Than a couple months ago were here the rumor of a 800 dollar or so 110 finally coming out than they slap a 1000 dollar price tag. Its pricey but also there is people who buy 10000 dollar pair of jeans so I guess to teach your own.

minger66 
Sorry, but Nvidia is being greedy and it is overpriced.  That is not being emotional, but it is being realistic.

Taking the price personal to the point of trying to describe what others must be feeling during this ordeal requires you to be just as emotional; you even did it:

minger66 
That is why people are pissed, this is not the start of a new line of products which always garners excitement, but a huge screw you moment by nVidia.

There have yet to be any logical arguments in the price-performance complaints because performance scaling is per game and per resolution, it isn't obvious across the board.  You'd have to skew results by running non GPU-intensive to imply Titan isn't worth it. 

minger66 
Supply and demand is a wonderful thing, the market will decide if the price is right, but to try to rationalize that $1,000 for this card is reasonable is out of touch.

You're still not factoring in the lack of competition for the price.
 
In any event, seeing how you purchased a GTX690 knowing the hate on any dual-GPU solution and that a cheaper pair of GTX670 that performs the same, etc-- how did you rationalize that?  With the tables turned, you're on the offensive as opposed to understanding the perspective of Titan owners.  Sure you don't owe anyone, but come on now; you know what it is like to get something few else thinks is worth it.  No love for fellow phat wallet folks?

minger66 
The real issue which you and many others completely miss is that Titan is not meant to replace anything. It's a boutique product designed and priced to sell very few units, an enhancement to the existing product line that very few will be able to use.

I've repeatedly mentioned in this thread and others that there is no AMD competitor to Titan; in fact, for the longest time I was the only one asking if there was while everyone didn't take the rumor with salt.  It should have clued in that Titan wouldn't succeed anything if AMD isn't threatened to follow suit.  But since you hadn't even mentioned AMD in your rebuttal argument, what's the deal?  
 
Rest assured when AMD makes an official HD8970, then nVidia will respond in kind and you guys can have your moment of triumph.  Until then, speak with your wallet and be humble.

vinnie97 
Well, if the Marketing head is advising against something, it would be foolhardy, wasteful and, yes, stupid, to do the opposite. ;p

With respect to the Marketing Head and just about every review done thus far, their conclusions are only really valid if you never get new games from this point on.  They can't test the future or how long you intend to keep it, but we're seen a trend over the years where games come with higher resource requirements.   
 
If you're not the type to upgrade often, why not plan ahead?  Just because it may be overkill now doesn't mean it will always be overkill, because time doesn't stop.  I had games just a few years ago max out at 600MB at 1080p, and now were at 2GB, it isn't going to stay at 2GB from here on out.

I am not sure if people have also thought about how this (unless amd pulls a crazy stunt) will remain the most powerful single gpu card through the next generation since the 780 is more then likely based off of gk114. A weaker chip compared to the GK110. 

Are we going to see TITANs unique features implemented within the GTX700-series?
And also, I'm amazed how well the HD7970 (GE) performs today. AMDs optimized drivers are really making a difference in overall performance!

When will the sales start?

Johnny_Utah

It's either this or wait for EVGA Swiffy blocks.  I like the look of my 680 Swiftech blocks but I might go with EK this time just for the heck of it.  I bet these will be more readily available than the EVGA ones anyhow.

 
Yeah.
 
The only reason why I like the swiftech is because it covers up everything.  Its a bit bland but its the only real IMO full coverage block.
 
I'll probably get some AquaComputer or Heatkiller for mine.

Got an email that the Titan was available. Checked when I got home 20 mins later... Titan unavailable. Doh!

Those EK blocks look nice.... but do we need them?  This card is supposed to be pretty quiet.

"The only reason why I like the swiftech is because it covers up everything.  Its a bit bland but its the only real IMO full coverage block."
full cover gpu waterblocks are called like that not because they cover whole surface of PCB but because they cool all elements that dissipate heat (mosfets/ram/gpu core).
Also covering whole pcb will make block a bit heavier and expensive (more metal / harder to design & manufacture to cut recesses in block surface to free up space for not coolable elements that stick out of pcb in non coolable area). I slightly prefer swiftech blocks for another reason though - their sli waterbridges imho look a bit better then new CSQ design ones from EK (i liked most old EK one though, but it probably will be incompatible with new EK blocks).

churchx

"The only reason why I like the swiftech is because it covers up everything.  Its a bit bland but its the only real IMO full coverage block."
full cover gpu waterblocks are called like that not because they cover whole surface of PCB but because they cool all elements that dissipate heat (mosfets/ram/gpu core).
Also covering whole pcb will make block a bit heavier and expensive (more metal / harder to design & manufacture to cut recesses in block surface to free up space for not coolable elements that stick out of pcb in non coolable area). I slightly prefer swiftech blocks for another reason though - their sli waterbridges imho look a bit better then new CSQ design ones from EK (i liked most old EK one though, but it probably will be incompatible with new EK blocks).

 
Agreed 100 percent with everything you stated.  Also, I noted that someone asked if we really needed the block since Nvidia touted this card as "very quiet".   I think another reason to block these cards is because the new "GPU Boost 2.0" factors in temp as a variable.