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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 19:36:21
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sdjablonskiCongrats! Scalper who bought card to resell it and make a profit - a bad guy.
Builder who bought card to install it, then to resell it and make a profit - a good guy.
I don't see much difference... really.
Here is my take on that. A person buying a card to build a computer for a customer is adding value to the card by doing the assembly of the custom rig. Thus they can charge for labor. A person buying a card only to resell it on ebay at 2x-3x the MSRP is not adding value other than acting as a middle man and that is a loose interpretation of the term. In fact they are a scalper and not worth giving the time of day let alone your hard earned cash.
I'd go a step further, a scalper is putting further barriers between someone wanting/needing to use a card (gaming/mining/graphic arts) and a card, at the same time actually reducing the value of that card by potentially removing the warranty leaving the end user with no recourse if the card is a lemon.
life isn't black and white. its a gray area. there's always going to be pros and cons to what you do. you can say it is just semantics if you want, but your intentions are what makes you human. if a builder had a card for 3 months and then decided they didnt want to use up electricity for a stupid cryptocurrency, then decided to sell their card. are they supposed to sell their card at cost when they can make more? you'd be asking them to do something foolish. them selling that one card for the same price as the scalpers is not going to give you any more or any less graphics cards. its just someone trying to make a buck and recoup what they spent on the card (and more). selling card at msrp -> pro - someone gets a card at msrp con - you dont get what you could, that person who bought it could also resell it at scalper prices selling card at scalper price -> pro - you get more money for it, buyer could be someone who is not a scalper con - someone pays the extra cost that they would have paid from another buyer edit: honestly i wish EVGA could just increase the card cost by 100$ and sell them exclusively on evga.com as queue system i would love to pay 100$ more to EVGA than ebay amazon or newegg because i know the warranty would be honored and i know the source would be reliable
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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The last couple of pages of this thread really show that many people have no idea how much time, effort and money goes into doing custom builds for people. I've spent far more money setting up my build station and acquiring the tools and hardware I need than I've ever gotten back as "profit."
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 20:07:36
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Can't wait to actually get my notification!
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 20:13:01
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the sole two cards in the giveaway this month are the two versions of the 3060 just released lmao, guess they put the budget towards those 1K mobos that takes several thousand dollar cpus hahahahaa
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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Well its a swing and a miss for me on the NewEgg Shuffle. First attempt at getting a 5900x. Good luck to everyone close to a drop tomorrow
Yeah no shuffle win for me.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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sdjablonskiCongrats! Scalper who bought card to resell it and make a profit - a bad guy.
Builder who bought card to install it, then to resell it and make a profit - a good guy.
I don't see much difference... really.
Here is my take on that. A person buying a card to build a computer for a customer is adding value to the card by doing the assembly of the custom rig. Thus they can charge for labor. A person buying a card only to resell it on ebay at 2x-3x the MSRP is not adding value other than acting as a middle man and that is a loose interpretation of the term. In fact they are a scalper and not worth giving the time of day let alone your hard earned cash.
I'd go a step further, a scalper is putting further barriers between someone wanting/needing to use a card (gaming/mining/graphic arts) and a card, at the same time actually reducing the value of that card by potentially removing the warranty leaving the end user with no recourse if the card is a lemon.
deni3d
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sdjablonskiCongrats! Scalper who bought card to resell it and make a profit - a bad guy.
Builder who bought card to install it, then to resell it and make a profit - a good guy.
I don't see much difference... really.
Here is my take on that. A person buying a card to build a computer for a customer is adding value to the card by doing the assembly of the custom rig. Thus they can charge for labor. A person buying a card only to resell it on ebay at 2x-3x the MSRP is not adding value other than acting as a middle man and that is a loose interpretation of the term. In fact they are a scalper and not worth giving the time of day let alone your hard earned cash.
I'd go a step further, a scalper is putting further barriers between someone wanting/needing to use a card (gaming/mining/graphic arts) and a card, at the same time actually reducing the value of that card by potentially removing the warranty leaving the end user with no recourse if the card is a lemon.
life isn't black and white. its a gray area. there's always going to be pros and cons to what you do. you can say it is just semantics if you want, but your intentions are what makes you human. if a builder had a card for 3 months and then decided they didnt want to use up electricity for a stupid cryptocurrency, then decided to sell their card. are they supposed to sell their card at cost when they can make more? you'd be asking them to do something foolish. them selling that one card for the same price as the scalpers is not going to give you any more or any less graphics cards. its just someone trying to make a buck and recoup what they spent on the card (and more).
selling card at msrp ->
pro - someone gets a card at msrp
con - you dont get what you could, that person who bought it could also resell it at scalper prices
selling card at scalper price ->
pro - you get more money for it, buyer could be someone who is not a scalper
con - someone pays the extra cost that they would have paid from another buyer
edit: honestly i wish EVGA could just increase the card cost by 100$ and sell them exclusively on evga.com as queue system
i would love to pay 100$ more to EVGA than ebay amazon or newegg
because i know the warranty would be honored and i know the source would be reliable
It is absolutely black and white, and I'll happily explain to you why. The difference between a system builder and a scalper is the size of the freaking GRAND CANYON. This overwhelming demand is somewhat organically caused. I get that! Covid + people working at home + supply shortages. We all get that! (minus the few folks not paying attention, bless their hearts) The demand that (rightly) ticks us all of is the artificial demand. That's the demand that is created solely by scalpers. This demand ONLY exists because they are literally employing an army of bots to purchase ALL available online inventory before any mere humans have even time to think about having a shot at actually purchasing a graphics card. That is simply the most insidious and heartless type of monopoly that can be created. You literally buy EVERYTHING you can, making yourself the only source of said product. Yes, we hear a success story about folks getting through Best Buy's annoying but appreciated anti-bot system. (I was able to get my 5900X from them that way on release day!!) We hear the odd success story of someone camping over night to get a card from a Microcenter. But these are such few numbers compared to the volume that eBay is selling. Since Feb. 1st they've sold over 2400 RTX 3080s. That's just the 3080, not counting all the Ampere variants. (granted some, were photos of cards, apparently designed to entrap bots) Seriously, over 2000 scalped card sales in just one month, and these cards have been selling on ebay by the thousands since their release date last year, months ago. You can blame folks willing to pay such high prices, and they do share part of the blame, but people are desperate to solve a problem created at least partially artificially. nomoss
The last couple of pages of this thread really show that many people have no idea how much time, effort and money goes into doing custom builds for people. I've spent far more money setting up my build station and acquiring the tools and hardware I need than I've ever gotten back as "profit."
SO. MUCH. THIS. I build systems for folks as well, and it's never been a big money maker for me as much as it's been a labor of love. Heck, when I build a system for a close friend or family, I just charge them the part cost, which often doesn't include any of the extras it takes to actually make the PC. I know plenty of folks who build PCs on the side that are the same way. Even those that do it large scale for their source of income are not likely getting rich from it. Big (like HP) and small, they are not charging anywhere near the markup for building systems with these RTX cards, and they are all shouldering a significant labor and infrastructure cost in order to do so. The entire purpose of the existence of the scalper is literally to make you have to pay significantly more than you otherwise would have to for high demand products. They are not doing the work of building a complete, working, tested, and warrantied system for you. They are only working to make your stuff cost as much as possible. Can you see the difference? It doesn't look very "gray" to me. Anyways. Rant over.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 20:59:01
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SirKronanThe demand that (rightly) ticks us all of is the artificial demand. That's the demand that is created solely by scalpers. That is ridiculous! There no " artificial demand". There is real demand from gamers and miners. And there shortage because nVidia can't make more chips. Scalpers just uses this situation. If all scalpers will magically disappear - you'll get the same situation. Probably with minor difference: GPU will be distributes randomly where now it distributed mostly to people who willing to pay way over MSRP. But shortage still will be there. SirKronanSeriously, over 2000 scalped card sales in just one month, and these cards have been selling on ebay by the thousands since their release date last year, months ago. Did you subtract fake " anti scalpers" scam sales? Even so - are you seriously think that " over 2400 RTX 3080s" per month enough for country where live 320 million people( plus unknown numbers of illegal immigrants)?
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 21:14:07
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The last couple of pages of this thread really show that many people have no idea how much time, effort and money goes into doing custom builds for people. I've spent far more money setting up my build station and acquiring the tools and hardware I need than I've ever gotten back as "profit."
And good custom builders can and will put together systems that are simply more reliable and faster than most complete systems. Nope, builders good, scalpers bad! Builders add value, scalpers detract.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 21:15:23
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WHO IS READY FOR SOME HOT WET 3080 ACTION?!?!
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 21:20:24
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All of that which SirKronan went over is exactly why I put "Why was this post even made" at the end of my reply to the original statement - then he further reinforced my "Why was this post even made" by saying he's NOT accusing anyone - when you're literally accusing anyone that's a system builder by saying "I don't see the difference between a scalper & a system builder" ???????? Which is it. Again, why was this even posted if you apparently don't even agree with what you said, right after you said it O_o I don't even. :-D nomoss
The last couple of pages of this thread really show that many people have no idea how much time, effort and money goes into doing custom builds for people. I've spent far more money setting up my build station and acquiring the tools and hardware I need than I've ever gotten back as "profit."
Exactly, and there's people like me that would literally love to have the job of building systems all day being an actual job - unfortunately I live in the U.S. equivalent of Bumfork Egypt when it comes to PC users that actually buy high end hardware, there's not enough market here for high end systems to even be able to run a business solely on that - almost all of the PC shops in the three major cities sell a lot more than just PC parts & system builds. Heck even working at a Microcenter would be awesome, because at least some of the people coming there are going to be all "ZOMG" like I am about building new stuff. But for now, I do a build here or there when someone asks, and that's about it... mostly I tinker with my own stuff lately, although I did resell my 3930K system late last year, along with my 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid to a friend locally - he got that 1080 Ti at a steal (~$400) compared to what they're selling for now on EBay ($600-$700 which is actually insane, that's almost what they peaked at retail during the last mining craze before the current one), but it's also getting good use, currently 1080p/144Hz gaming mostly. And I don't have to worry about "Hey can we warranty this thing, I broke it" because he's actually a PC person and not some random "pleb" that's buying high end hardware for the first time & might actually break it.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 21:42:18
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Dabadger84by saying he's NOT accusing anyone - when you're literally accusing anyone that's a system builder by saying "I don't see the difference between a scalper & a system builder" ???????? Which is it. Do you know difference between " personally" and "in general"? Scalpers buying card to resell at higher price and make profit out of shortage. Builders buying card to build a system, then to resell at higher price and make profit. Nothing bad there, but in this market conditions( shortage with high prices pumped by scalpers) cards will be sell at higher( market) price. It just doesn't make sense to sell it less. Both of this categories need many cards to do business, both sell it at higher price - so, people who want to buy GPU at MSRP price for them self have a reason to don't like both of this categories at this time.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 22:05:44
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SirKronanThe demand that (rightly) ticks us all of is the artificial demand. That's the demand that is created solely by scalpers. That is ridiculous! There no "artificial demand". There is real demand from gamers and miners. And there shortage because nVidia can't make more chips. Scalpers just uses this situation. If all scalpers will magically disappear - you'll get the same situation. Probably with minor difference: GPU will be distributes randomly where now it distributed mostly to people who willing to pay way over MSRP. But shortage still will be there.
SirKronanSeriously, over 2000 scalped card sales in just one month, and these cards have been selling on ebay by the thousands since their release date last year, months ago. Did you subtract fake "anti scalpers" scam sales? Even so - are you seriously think that "over 2400 RTX 3080s" per month enough for country where live 320 million people(plus unknown numbers of illegal immigrants)?
Duuuude ..... look at what you're typing, and THINK about the context. Ebay is just one store. Facebook marketplace, countless 3rd party Amazon scalping stores (many of which report how many they have left!!), craigslist, 3rd party sellers on walmart .... Just think about what you're typing! That's all we're asking of you. Yeah, there's 320 million people, but that includes ages down to babies (not buying graphics cards), elderly (buying few graphics cards) and people that already have a graphics card their happy with (likely a HUGE number), plus people that can't afford a graphics card up grade now even if cards were at MSRP (just not ready to buy yet). Ebay is just ONE STORE responsible for thousands of ONLY 3080's (plus likely thousands of the other models, too) sold by scalpers. That's not counting all the 3rd party stores and local listings. Just where I'm at there are countless GPUs listed for sale on Facebook within a short drive of my location, and ALL of the "brand new" listings are priced right in line or just below eBay prices, and the fact that they're a new card, likely means it was bought with intent to scalp. I fully acknowledge that some of the demand is ORGANIC and caused by other factors (which I mentioned previously, please read my whole post!). But to NOT acknowledge that at least some of the demand is ONLY CREATED IN ORDER TO MAKE MORE DEMAND is choosing to be blind to the facts. That's the demand that is frustrating, and that's the demand that is "artificial" demand. It's not created due to supply chain or manufacturing issues. They are simply creating more demand by making sure any supply available, 100% of what they can buy, is bought before anyone else has a chance, and thus others either have to wait, or be willing to pay the new price the scalper just put on it. This is NOT like retail jobs. This is NOT like a system builder job. A system builder buys an entire PC worth of parts, supporting online and local retailer jobs with a wide variety of product. A system builder may charge labor. When it's a big company like HP, the labor costs included in the PCs they sell create hundreds of thousands of jobs around the world. Yes, they are a for-profit company, but they are creating. They are building. And they are continuing to pay wages to personnel to support the products during their life cycle. Retailers sell wide varieties of products, not just GPUs, and also pay for facilities, shipping, utilities, etc. They create millions of jobs worldwide. Yes, they are for profit, but I have no problem with that. Nvidia makes profit on what they spent R&D and labor and parts to create. The retailer makes profit by being the storefront to get the product to the customers' possession. Even miners create. They are generating a de-centralized currency that is growing in stability and legitimacy around the world. Yeah, they want to make profit, too, but it takes months or even years to see a full return on the investment for most miners. It does hurt my feelings to see 100 3080 GPUs stacked on some filthy rich guy's mining rig while we literally celebrate when even just one person here snags a lucky 3080! But that still doesn't boil my blood like the blood sucker who FORCES demand to be worse than it would normally be. That's what scalpers do. That's the difference. I don't know how else I could spell this out for you, and it seems like many of us here share an understanding. I genuinely want you to understand what we're trying to explain. Does it make a little more sense now?
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/01 22:10:14
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Dabadger84by saying he's NOT accusing anyone - when you're literally accusing anyone that's a system builder by saying "I don't see the difference between a scalper & a system builder" ???????? Which is it. Do you know difference between "personally" and "in general"?
Scalpers buying card to resell at higher price and make profit out of shortage.
Builders buying card to build a system, then to resell at higher price and make profit. Nothing bad there, but in this market conditions(shortage with high prices pumped by scalpers) cards will be sell at higher(market) price. It just doesn't make sense to sell it less.
Both of this categories need many cards to do business, both sell it at higher price - so, people who want to buy GPU at MSRP price for them self have a reason to don't like both of this categories at this time.
A whole lot of assumptions you are making. I print out all invoices so they can see what the price of every component was, except for thermal paste, because I don't have to buy that for system builds (I have plenty, lol). Really, you're proving my point here. You don't understand what most custom builders do. I'm not a celebrity builder on twitch building $5000 systems at a 20% markup. I'm not building for money, I do it as a hobby and to provide my skills to the friends and family who want solid systems. You want to dislike me for getting into the queue ahead of you and building systems for my friends? Go right ahead. Smells like sour grapes, though.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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nomoss
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Dabadger84by saying he's NOT accusing anyone - when you're literally accusing anyone that's a system builder by saying "I don't see the difference between a scalper & a system builder" ???????? Which is it. Do you know difference between "personally" and "in general"?
Scalpers buying card to resell at higher price and make profit out of shortage.
Builders buying card to build a system, then to resell at higher price and make profit. Nothing bad there, but in this market conditions(shortage with high prices pumped by scalpers) cards will be sell at higher(market) price. It just doesn't make sense to sell it less.
Both of this categories need many cards to do business, both sell it at higher price - so, people who want to buy GPU at MSRP price for them self have a reason to don't like both of this categories at this time.
A whole lot of assumptions you are making. I print out all invoices so they can see what the price of every component was, except for thermal paste, because I don't have to buy that for system builds (I have plenty, lol). Really, you're proving my point here. You don't understand what most custom builders do. I'm not a celebrity builder on twitch building $5000 systems at a 20% markup. I'm not building for money, I do it as a hobby and to provide my skills to the friends and family who want solid systems.
You want to dislike me for getting into the queue ahead of you and building systems for my friends? Go right ahead. Smells like sour grapes, though.
So. Much. Same. You know scalpers are the epitome of "gotta have money to make money" They purchase these bots, buy up all the product with large quantities of upfront capital, and drive up the prices. These people don't just do this with graphics cards either. Doesn't matter what it is. heck, they did it with toilet paper a few short months ago! it's a business that is built to prey on the plight of others. What if Dasani sent truckloads of water to a hurricane devastated area that had short water supplies and charged people $10/bottle? The world would be all over them and call them all kind of nasty things. I'm not entirely sure but I think there are laws against that type of thing. Graphics cards aren't life or death but if you think these people would treat a situation like that any other way I think you would find out real fast just how evil most of them are. It is what it is in the end. Honest folks are gonna get screwed, but I'll be darned if that's gonna keep me from trying to beat these guys. Just don't lump us very small time builders in with these toilet paper hoarding fiends.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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I got a used rtx2060 at MicroCenter for $350. I'm now very happy to sit out the drama and frustration until the market comes to its senses.
Could be along time, I don't really care anymore. This process has come to be too nerve-wracking and time-consuming.
The 2060 is much better than my gtx970 so I can afford to wait for what I want. I'm was in the same position as many people who have built a new system and just lack a great card.
This position allows me to not be beholden to a company that really couldn't care less about me or people like me. When the 3060 or 3070 comes along at the great price that EVGA claimed, then I'll consider that. Or, maybe not. Don't care anymore. Much of the fun has been beaten out of gaming because of the greed. Too bad, but I'm not falling for it.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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I remember some guy listed a 3080 he bought from Best Buy on Facebook marketplace with a delivery date of mid-January (this was back in early December). He posted a screenshot of the order confirmation with his name, address, and date range of the expected delivery. I think he priced it at like $1500 or something like that. The stupidity of the human race never ceases to amaze me.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 04:19:04
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I got a used rtx2060 at MicroCenter for $350. I'm now very happy to sit out the drama and frustration until the market comes to its senses.
Could be along time, I don't really care anymore. This process has come to be too nerve-wracking and time-consuming.
The 2060 is much better than my gtx970 so I can afford to wait for what I want. I'm was in the same position as many people who have built a new system and just lack a great card.
This position allows me to not be beholden to a company that really couldn't care less about me or people like me. When the 3060 or 3070 comes along at the great price that EVGA claimed, then I'll consider that. Or, maybe not. Don't care anymore. Much of the fun has been beaten out of gaming because of the greed. Too bad, but I'm not falling for it.
A very reasonable course of action right now, and not a bad price in today's market to boot! I fully understand your choice. Gaming with a 2060 is definitely going to be an upgrade vs. a 970 in more ways than one. Enjoy!
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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Good morning and happy Tuesday everyone! Let's hope for some big drops today!
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 05:46:01
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 05:52:57
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drewski989
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 06:19:06
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Chippy again today, Lord of the Flies... This is turning us into animals.
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Sinovia
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 06:24:25
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Does anyone know why there has been 0 movement on the 3080 XC cards? Ultra, Gaming and Black? EVGA's Q for those cards are still dated Sept 18th. Are they just not making those?
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anr274
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 06:36:35
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Same question as Sinovia, I have been in queue for months and have not noticed any noticeable movement.
Additionally, I hear that there might be a 3080Ti, if that occurs, when typically is a queue made for that?
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Sinovia
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 06:39:09
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@anr274 Auto notify (new Q system) generally goes up when the card is released. So whenever a 3080TI is release.
That site gets updated twice daily showing where you are on the Q system based on time and new entries. The 3080s XC versions are not selling since release day.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 06:49:52
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Sinovia
@anr274 Auto notify (new Q system) generally goes up when the card is released. So whenever a 3080TI is release.
That site gets updated twice daily showing where you are on the Q system based on time and new entries. The 3080s XC versions are not selling since release day.
They haven't moved in the queue system, but BestBuy has been dropping them, as I almost got to checkout with one last week. I asked Jacob on twitter, and his response said that he is not sure about them moving through the notify list.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 07:06:53
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Sinovia
Does anyone know why there has been 0 movement on the 3080 XC cards? Ultra, Gaming and Black? EVGA's Q for those cards are still dated Sept 18th. Are they just not making those?
they aren't as profitable.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 07:14:54
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deni3d
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sdjablonskiCongrats! Scalper who bought card to resell it and make a profit - a bad guy.
Builder who bought card to install it, then to resell it and make a profit - a good guy.
I don't see much difference... really.
Here is my take on that. A person buying a card to build a computer for a customer is adding value to the card by doing the assembly of the custom rig. Thus they can charge for labor. A person buying a card only to resell it on ebay at 2x-3x the MSRP is not adding value other than acting as a middle man and that is a loose interpretation of the term. In fact they are a scalper and not worth giving the time of day let alone your hard earned cash.
I'd go a step further, a scalper is putting further barriers between someone wanting/needing to use a card (gaming/mining/graphic arts) and a card, at the same time actually reducing the value of that card by potentially removing the warranty leaving the end user with no recourse if the card is a lemon.
life isn't black and white. its a gray area. there's always going to be pros and cons to what you do. you can say it is just semantics if you want, but your intentions are what makes you human. if a builder had a card for 3 months and then decided they didnt want to use up electricity for a stupid cryptocurrency, then decided to sell their card. are they supposed to sell their card at cost when they can make more? you'd be asking them to do something foolish. them selling that one card for the same price as the scalpers is not going to give you any more or any less graphics cards. its just someone trying to make a buck and recoup what they spent on the card (and more).
selling card at msrp ->
pro - someone gets a card at msrp
con - you dont get what you could, that person who bought it could also resell it at scalper prices
selling card at scalper price ->
pro - you get more money for it, buyer could be someone who is not a scalper
con - someone pays the extra cost that they would have paid from another buyer
edit: honestly i wish EVGA could just increase the card cost by 100$ and sell them exclusively on evga.com as queue system
i would love to pay 100$ more to EVGA than ebay amazon or newegg
because i know the warranty would be honored and i know the source would be reliable
This is not a gray area. It's a false equivalence. The majority of the people in this queue, and for sure many of the people posting here, have had the frustration of seeing an item, gpu, cpu, starla from blaze and the monster machines (my daughter loves that show) become available, try to put it in their cart to check out, only to see there is no more stock. And then they see the same items go up on Ebay, 3rd party on newegg and amazon, for 2-3 to more times higher than the bot scalper just paid for that same item. The item a lot of people never make it through checkout with because the bot scalpers buy EVERYTHING so fast. As Kronan mentioned, this creates artificial demand, and if this was being done by a centralized retailer using these practices (buying all the inventory and then being the only seller with 3x msrp prices), they would be sued and they would lose, or at least settle and stop the exploitative practice. This isn't about someone selling a card, this is about the bot scalpers who have been doing this with toilet paper, hand sanitizer, lysol, paper towels, gpus, cpus, toys, just about anything and everything. I get that there are people who are hurting for money, but when it becomes systemic like it is, this is a problem. This is not what your average pc builder does.
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dustinhalfacre
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 07:16:06
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Sinovia
Does anyone know why there has been 0 movement on the 3080 XC cards? Ultra, Gaming and Black? EVGA's Q for those cards are still dated Sept 18th. Are they just not making those?
No, my speculation would be the majority of those are sent to normal retail channels (since they do appear for sale at other retailers).
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 07:24:11
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static.quai
This is not a gray area. It's a false equivalence. The majority of the people in this queue, and for sure many of the people posting here, have had the frustration of seeing an item, gpu, cpu, starla from blaze and the monster machines (my daughter loves that show) become available, try to put it in their cart to check out, only to see there is no more stock. And then they see the same items go up on Ebay, 3rd party on newegg and amazon, for 2-3 to more times higher than the bot scalper just paid for that same item. The item a lot of people never make it through checkout with because the bot scalpers buy EVERYTHING so fast.
As Kronan mentioned, this creates artificial demand, and if this was being done by a centralized retailer using these practices (buying all the inventory and then being the only seller with 3x msrp prices), they would be sued and they would lose, or at least settle and stop the exploitative practice. This isn't about someone selling a card, this is about the bot scalpers who have been doing this with toilet paper, hand sanitizer, lysol, paper towels, gpus, cpus, toys, just about anything and everything. I get that there are people who are hurting for money, but when it becomes systemic like it is, this is a problem. This is not what your average pc builder does.
The scalpers serve a legitimate market function. I don't like them but they exist because Nvidia and AIBs are not selling their products to gamers at the current market price. People can complain about scalpers all they want but even if they attempted a heavy handed approach, the cards would still be going the for the same price on ebay.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/02 07:29:25
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Any word on what could be dropping today? I'm about 5 hours out on the 3897.
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