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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/20 16:29:11 (permalink)
dejanh I do not believe that any change like that is included in this BIOS.  I am not even sure how to test it to be honest as I never use SpeedStep or C1E since it cripples SSD performance due to down-clocking of the lanes.
Now, that's an interesting comment. How does C1E cripple SSD performance? Can u pls elaborate? I haven't observed (I have two SSDs) or seen anything like this mentioned anywhere.

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/20 16:50:58 (permalink)
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dejanh I do not believe that any change like that is included in this BIOS.  I am not even sure how to test it to be honest as I never use SpeedStep or C1E since it cripples SSD performance due to down-clocking of the lanes.
Now, that's an interesting comment. How does C1E cripple SSD performance? Can u pls elaborate? I haven't observed (I have two SSDs) or seen anything like this mentioned anywhere.

Actually, this has been originally observed on laptops mostly, but it turns out it happens on desktops as well.  Have a read Post #23 is the eureka moment followed by confirmation from OCZ, but I suggest you read the whole thing to understand what happened.
 
http://www.ocztechnologyf...and-after-secure-erase
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/20 17:14:36 (permalink)
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dejanh I do not believe that any change like that is included in this BIOS.  I am not even sure how to test it to be honest as I never use SpeedStep or C1E since it cripples SSD performance due to down-clocking of the lanes.
Now, that's an interesting comment. How does C1E cripple SSD performance? Can u pls elaborate? I haven't observed (I have two SSDs) or seen anything like this mentioned anywhere.

Actually, this has been originally observed on laptops mostly, but it turns out it happens on desktops as well.  Have a read Post #23 is the eureka moment followed by confirmation from OCZ, but I suggest you read the whole thing to understand what happened.

http://www.ocztechnologyf...and-after-secure-erase
WOW! I need to check with and without C1E...C1E for me is a winner with respect to lower temps when idling.
Thanks for the info. This was useful for sure!
 

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 06:51:31 (permalink)
Been having problems with the 80 & 81 update, bsod's. They say memory mang & 1 or 2 irq's. Problem is that I had not updated in so long (year or more) I don't remember what bios I was running. Hope the next release is better for me. Man this $ucks, board was stable as a rock before.

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 07:29:05 (permalink)
Identified the first problem with the BIOS I'm testing.  S3 does not wake from extended sleep, at least on my system.  I cannot say what is the cause, but video and keyboard fail to recover from extended S3 sleep (7+ hours) making it impractical for use overnight, the most useful case scenario.  Note that this does not impact VT in any way.  It is still working correctly.
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 07:33:10 (permalink)
I don't think that S1/S3 will ever get fixed because MS Windows 7 is broken as far as that goes.
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 07:38:59 (permalink)
Did S1/S3 ever work from a 7+ hour sleep?

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 07:40:13 (permalink)
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Identified the first problem with the BIOS I'm testing.  S3 does not wake from extended sleep, at least on my system.  I cannot say what is the cause, but video and keyboard fail to recover from extended S3 sleep (7+ hours) making it impractical for use overnight, the most useful case scenario.  Note that this does not impact VT in any way.  It is still working correctly.
What kind of overclock do u have on the system where it fails?
Can u try one little experiment tonight? Just overclock as much as Auto vcore allows (for me its about 4Ghz). And suspend to S3 with that.
S3 is already broken and I don't want to lose the ability to do S3 even at Auto vcore. The reason is exactly u pointed out. I want to keep it suspended to S3 overnight.

EVGA X58 SLI Rev 1.1
i7 920 D0 LinX/Prime Stable 4.4(21x210) HT ON
1.3125vcore, +100mV, vDIMM 1.625v, Rest Auto
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 07:42:16 (permalink)
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Did S1/S3 ever work from a 7+ hour sleep?

It did in the past for me, but this is many BIOS releases back.  I believe the problem that I am running into is a compatibility issue with the HD5800 series cards.
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I don't think that S1/S3 will ever get fixed because MS Windows 7 is broken as far as that goes.

I have never heard of that.  What facts do you have to support that argument?  I did point out if you read my update in the teaser post on page 8 that it appears the OS itself resumed correctly.
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Identified the first problem with the BIOS I'm testing.  S3 does not wake from extended sleep, at least on my system.  I cannot say what is the cause, but video and keyboard fail to recover from extended S3 sleep (7+ hours) making it impractical for use overnight, the most useful case scenario.  Note that this does not impact VT in any way.  It is still working correctly.
What kind of overclock do u have on the system where it fails?
Can u try one little experiment tonight? Just overclock as much as Auto vcore allows (for me its about 4Ghz). And suspend to S3 with that.
S3 is already broken and I don't want to lose the ability to do S3 even at Auto vcore. The reason is exactly u pointed out. I want to keep it suspended to S3 overnight.

Yup, that's exactly what I will try tonight, though it will likely be stock settings.  I do not have time to work out the highest Auto Vcore OC.  Keep in mind though that the CPU and board seem to resume properly.  I believe that my problem is related to the HD5800 cards.  When I switched to them a while back my S3 no longer worked correctly, and then with the switch to SSD it completely broke.  Latest BIOS releases with updated ROMs seem to fix the SSD portion, but I do not think the GPU portion is fixed.
post edited by dejanh - 2011/04/21 07:49:42
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 07:43:29 (permalink)
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Yaboze
Did S1/S3 ever work from a 7+ hour sleep?

It did in the past for me, but this is many BIOS releases back.  I believe the problem that I am running into is a compatibility issue with the HD5800 series cards.
lradunovic
I don't think that S1/S3 will ever get fixed because MS Windows 7 is broken as far as that goes.

I have never heard of that.  What facts do you have to support that argument?  I did point out if you read my update in the teaser post on page 8 that it appears the OS itself resumed correctly.

 
Evga Mobo is not only example where Sleep/Hibernation does not work correctly. It seems like 5 out of 10 systems will fail where all 10 systems will work fine under Linux.

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 07:46:06 (permalink)
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Yaboze
Did S1/S3 ever work from a 7+ hour sleep?

It did in the past for me, but this is many BIOS releases back.  I believe the problem that I am running into is a compatibility issue with the HD5800 series cards.
lradunovic
I don't think that S1/S3 will ever get fixed because MS Windows 7 is broken as far as that goes.

I have never heard of that.  What facts do you have to support that argument?  I did point out if you read my update in the teaser post on page 8 that it appears the OS itself resumed correctly.

Evga Mobo is not only example where Sleep/Hibernation does not work correctly. It seems like 5 out of 10 systems will fail where all 10 systems will work fine under Linux.

Interesting.  That could very well be true.  I do not use sleep much any more as booting with an SSD and now SSD in RAID-0 as-is takes about 35-40 seconds from the moment I press the power button (Windows itself boots in approx. 12 seconds timed on a stopwatch, POST is what takes "long").  Funny enough that ever since ACPI issues with older versions of various Linux distros I have never actually tried putting Linux to sleep,
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 07:53:16 (permalink)
dejanhInteresting.  That could very well be true.  I do not use sleep much any more as booting with an SSD and now SSD in RAID-0 as-is takes about 35-40 seconds from the moment I press the power button (Windows itself boots in approx. 12 seconds timed on a stopwatch, POST is what takes "long").  Funny enough that ever since ACPI issues with older versions of various Linux distros I have never actually tried putting Linux to sleep,
And I use Linux on my desktop, which I suspend everyday at night. Uptime right now is 18days and with 21 suspend-resume cycles. Next reboot will be when I update the kernel.

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 08:01:48 (permalink)
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dejanhInteresting.  That could very well be true.  I do not use sleep much any more as booting with an SSD and now SSD in RAID-0 as-is takes about 35-40 seconds from the moment I press the power button (Windows itself boots in approx. 12 seconds timed on a stopwatch, POST is what takes "long").  Funny enough that ever since ACPI issues with older versions of various Linux distros I have never actually tried putting Linux to sleep,
And I use Linux on my desktop, which I suspend everyday at night. Uptime right now is 18days and with 21 suspend-resume cycles. Next reboot will be when I update the kernel.

Alright, I get it, Linux sleep works well hahaha I go back and forth between Linux and Windows so this also does not see much benefit from using S3 any more.  I did the test mostly for the point of being thorough.  I do not think that you will run into issues with S3 personally, but I had to post my experience.  I would love to see it work 100% of the time though, but sadly I do not think that this is the reality or ever has been really, and I'm not speaking about EVGA here...all boards, all brands, all versions, with all chipsets, AMD and Intel seem to have issues with stand-by modes.
post edited by dejanh - 2011/04/21 08:04:40
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 08:08:04 (permalink)
Nvidia hardware is better supported in LInux than AMD hardware (video cards). I had resume trouble with AMD card and I had to send it back.

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 08:12:27 (permalink)
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Nvidia hardware is better supported in LInux than AMD hardware (video cards). I had resume trouble with AMD card and I had to send it back.

I think same holds for Windows.  I ran NVIDIA before moving to HD5800 series and it also happens to be exactly when my S3 stopped working correctly.  It only got worse when I moved to SSD from HDD, but that portion at least is resolved now.
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 09:23:46 (permalink)
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...S3 does not wake from extended sleep, at least on my system.  I cannot say what is the cause, but video and keyboard fail to recover from extended S3 sleep (7+ hours) making it impractical for use overnight, the most useful case scenario...

 
This would go in the different strokes for different folks bin.  If the VT double-pump is fixed then for me a cold boot in the morning, hard shutdown in the evening, and S3 sleep during the day as I use the machine off and on is the most useful case.
 
The whole S3 thing is sensitive to everything, in my experience.  BIOS, drivers, OS, phase of the moon...  I think one could identify a BIOS that killed it, but _just_ a BIOS fix doesn't guarantee that it works for the jillion (or so) possible combos of OS, drivers, apps, security, and whatever.
 
Regarding Linux, just one observation:  I've noticed that when my 758 is otherwise doing S3 sleep correctly, a warm boot from Linux to Win 7 may cause subsequent S3 failures until the next cold boot - w/AC mains off.  I also sometimes lose my NICs.  I'm not knocking Linux (I do driver development there) but just pointing out that _anything_ that touches BIOS, ACPI tables, etc can impact S3 sleep - even persisting across a reboot.
 
@dejanh, any chance you had been running Linux on the bare metal _before_ the S3 failure in Windows?
 
My $.02,
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 11:38:37 (permalink)
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@ Dejanh
 
After updating the bios, EVERY TIME, manually configure parameters. is interesting to note that these problems occur ONLY, using the system default. If I use the system tooverclock these problems disappear.

The problem appeared with the BIOS 81 is this:

With bios 77 and 80, there was no ..

"A few times, setting the bios to default parameters, save and quit, boot themotherboard, and after the initialization of the 
second JMicron crashes giving blackscreen."

I hope you can solve!
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 12:12:37 (permalink)
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@ Dejanh

After updating the bios, EVERY TIME, manually configure parameters. is interesting to note that these problems occur ONLY, using the system default. If I use the system tooverclock these problems disappear.

The problem appeared with the BIOS 81 is this:

With bios 77 and 80, there was no ..

"A few times, setting the bios to default parameters, save and quit, boot themotherboard, and after the initialization of the 
second JMicron crashes giving blackscreen."

I hope you can solve!

Ha, I have not tried running my computer at stock clock yet. It may be that some voltages are set too low at stock causing these problems you are seeing but why with this BIOS in particular?
 

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 12:23:05 (permalink)
I have no idea!
 
The problem of the block with black screen appeared with bios 81. With bios 77 and 80was not there. The other two problems mentioned happen even with bios 77 and 80.
 
For this problem:
"4/8/16Gb memory sticks do not work properly. Sometimes, the pen creates a block ofthe second initialization JMicron bios. It unlocks only by pressing reset. "
 
I think there is an incompatibility between Kingston USB sticks, and second JMicron.

I hope you can resolve ..
post edited by RaptorX86 - 2011/04/21 12:31:30

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 14:38:31 (permalink)
Hey guys!
 
I wouldnt just blame it on "Windows" it could very well and most likely be related to "Drivers" as I've seen it work on many computers and laptops running Windows with no problems, not saying its not related to the Motherboard but I'm staring to think that its more driver related
 
What do you guys think?

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 15:29:46 (permalink)
RaptorX86

I have no idea!

The problem of the block with black screen appeared with bios 81. With bios 77 and 80was not there. The other two problems mentioned happen even with bios 77 and 80.

For this problem:
"4/8/16Gb memory sticks do not work properly. Sometimes, the pen creates a block ofthe second initialization JMicron bios. It unlocks only by pressing reset. "

I think there is an incompatibility between Kingston USB sticks, and second JMicron.

I hope you can resolve ..

Did you try bumping your IOH and ICH voltage to 1.15V?
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/21 22:29:51 (permalink)
Looks like we should be ready for BIOS 82... Hopefully soon.

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/22 00:07:20 (permalink)
let me get this quiet straight, 3 months ago  i had a big argue with an intel tech support on saying that the Intel SSD tool box supported on RAID drives that is in one partition only, and i have 2 x Intel X25 G2 80 GB drives in RAID 0, then he simple said (no its not supported)
 
after pulling some technical info from him, he told me that the intel RST driver does support trim, and the SSD firmware does support trim, and it's just my "Soft" raid controller didn't pass the trim Commands.
 
now as i can see the Intel Raid firmware has been upgraded by 81 Bios, does that mean now Trims will be passes successfully ?
 
Please any one ?!
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/22 00:09:21 (permalink)
No the TRIM command does pass through the RAID driver but only to drives which are not in a RAID array.

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/22 01:16:08 (permalink)
which does not exactly pass the trim ? Intel RST driver ? Controller Firmware ? or SSD Firmware ?
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/22 01:23:20 (permalink)
Hello,
 
I just updated my system to the new BIOS release 81, my previous version was 77. I do not do any OC, my system is at stock settings, my specs are in my signature. The issue I am having is that after I flashed the BIOS, cleared the CMOS, adjusted my settings to how they were before the upgrade (boot drive order: my SSD = c:\ drive connected to the sata III marvell controller, originally set up in AHCI in BIOS 77 as single drive), and disabled the on board sound; now my computer gets stock right at the point where the Marvell controller is initializing. I cleared the CMOS again, selected IDE mode instead of AHCI for my drive but then I get an error saying OS not found. If I try to select AHCI again, it freezes at the point where the Marvell controller is initializing just like before.
 
I read the entire tread and nobody posted an issue similar to mine, so I'm hoping is just something I'm missing or over looking. Any help would be greatly appreciate it.
 
Thanks!

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/22 01:52:17 (permalink)
Haven't done a bios update in awhile. Just flashed 81 and I have issues!
 
Was running a 4.4GHZ OC I920 DO Classified E760 on water. I saved my profiles and have a written backup of all my settings, I mean ALL! I loaded defaults, restarted and came back to jump to my old overclock. NOT happening. I double checked everything and all is exactly how I had it. Voltages, dividers etc..Everything. I tried backing off the OC to 4.2, 4.0, and 3.8 with my ram at stock and doesn't work. When I say it doesn't work it does not post. No beeps, no failed OC recovery, nothing. I haven't changed any hardware and for the life of me I cannot understand how this could happen as I never had an issue with my OC from a bios flash. Right now I'm running stock because it seems that's just about all that will post.
 
The OC I had before the update was in place for over 6 months, no posting issues, no BSOD's (NOT ONE!), no issues.
 
I don't know where to start at this point. It took me a lot of tweaking of the voltages etc.. to get that clock and now I feel as though I can't even do 4ghz.
post edited by Dougw133 - 2011/04/22 01:57:28
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/22 02:57:38 (permalink)
Upgraded there are fiew days now in BIOS 81 &
 
From my side, having 4 500GB 10000T/Min WD in raid 10 on boot, & 2 1GB in Raid 1, 1 blue ray on the marvel , 12GB of Corsair running in XMP mode (1600Ghz), VT, hyperthreading enabled, ect... overclocked at 4Ghz & everything appears to be stable, EXCEPT:
 
Since this upgrade, I have now Windows 7 detecting one of my USB hub detected as "unknown device" !!!! & no way to remove this error & having my usb host/hub working correctly ! really strange ! Everything was fully correct with previous bios (Was in 77 or 78 from my poor memory ;) )
 

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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/22 08:23:23 (permalink)
I'm having a similar problem:
I have updated the BIOS a few times, and every time, after loading the defaults, saving, rebooting and then powering off the computer for a few seconds, when I power it on again, it freezes at this point:
 
Marvell 88SE91xx Adapter - BIOS Version 1.0.0.1029
Initializing...
 
It stays this way untill I disconnect the power of the IDE disk. Then it continues to BIOS or to boot. If I power off the computer for about a minute, it will finaly go past that screen, with the IDE disk connected and recognise it as ST3320620A 320 GB.
 
I need a BIOS fix!
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Re:EVGA X58 Motherboards - BIOS 81 Released 2011/04/22 11:29:34 (permalink)
I am running 3 mechanical 7200rpm Hard drives in RAID 0. All 3 drives are 750GB. Should I really upgrade to bios 81? My computer runs fine now, and speeds are good. I'm just afraid of breaking something, because "if it aint broke, don't fix it" <=== I've learned the hard way that this saying is true.

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