Charmin_Ultra

Charmin_Ultra

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Hi everyone,
 
Just discovered this community. I received a brand new 3090 K|NGP|N Hybrid yesterday and wow what a beauty!   I'm having an issue where it's not being detected by BIOS or W10 Device Manager.  The OLED and LED turns on, the fans spin, the OLED says

• 0.798V NVVDD
• 27.5C
• 788 RPM

I've performed the troubleshooting steps listed below.  All the jumpers on the back of the card are set to OFF.  I'm running 3 separate 8-pin VGA power cables to the card.  I'm currently booted into the PC with a 3070 installed as a 2nd GPU and my display is connected to it.  The K|NGP|N is not detected under any circumstance, but it's plugged into the first PCIe slot. 
 
I'm willing to try anything else you may suggest.  Any help is greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance. 
 
PC specs:

• ASRock B550M/ac (latest BIOS update)
• Ryzen 9 5950X
• 8GB x 2 DDR4 
• WD 1TB m.2 NVMe
• EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2
• W10 21H1 all updates installed
• NVIDIA 471.11 Game Ready Driver

Troubleshooting steps:

• swapped HDMI Ultra High Speed cables with known good working cables
• swapped DP cables with known good working cables
• swapped monitors (MSI Optix MAG272C, VIZIO E70E3 4K HDR LED, RCA 4K HDR Cheap-o TV, LG 48CX OLED)
• swapped GPUs (3080 Gaming X Trio, 3070 FE, 3080 FTW3, 3060 Ti FE)
• swapped PSUs for other known good working EVGA 1300 G2 (I have 9 of these)
• swapped VGA cables from other EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2 PSUs 
• clear CMOS settings
• tried a different PC at friend's house (MSI X570 Unify, Ryzen 9 3950X)
• booted from a FreeDOS USB stick to attempt NVFlash (affected GPU not listed) 
• attempted NVFlash in W10 (affected GPU not listed)
• installing/removing 2nd GPU (VGA error on friend's PC when 2nd GPU was removed, no errors on my PC with or without 2nd GPU installed)
• DDU & reinstall current and previous NVIDIA Game Ready & Studio drivers
• prayer
• sad face
• despair

Edit - i also tried:

• booting without a display cable plugged in, then plugging cable in after 30 seconds
• moving the Kingpin to difference PCIe slots

 

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Welp out of curiosity I partially disassembled the card and found this damage near the 8-pin power connectors.

Ouch, that sucks... my condolences. Time for RMA.

poto4321
For future reference for others, the link to a video explaining the dip switches is located here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KV6OB5wxtNw
 
Credit goes to Sajin for providing the link.
 
Hopefully the dip switches will be of benefit to others though.  If someone does have luck, would appreciate you reporting back.
 

 
He only explains 3 of the four sets, what is LL?
 

Xhale760
Without changing voltages in classified. Some reason it won't open on my card?? Maybe a new update? 
 
 

What were your offsets?

degenerate

Xhale760
Without changing voltages in classified. Some reason it won't open on my card?? Maybe a new update? 
 
 

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Good score seems right about on-par. I score 15,379 without Classified, unfortunately my card does not scale well with voltage though, so that tool is essentially useless in my case.
 
If you have a Kingpin Hydrocopper (the original SKU, not an AIO SKU with HC block installed) then apparently there's a new version of the Classified tool that you will need to e-mail Vince to acquire. Your serial # will be logged and you will lose your warranty, just so you're aware.

Just a heads-up, I have verified with EVGA that you do not lose your warranty if you use the Classified tool.  I have also verified with EVGA that the only reason Vince asks for the serial number is to verify you do indeed have a KPE card.  Now I do not know if this is true if you request the 1000w BIOS from Vince, so I can't comment on that, but felt it was important to let everyone know the feedback I received from EVGA regarding the Classified tool.

poto4321
 
Just a heads-up, I have verified with EVGA that you do not lose your warranty if you use the Classified tool.  I have also verified with EVGA that the only reason Vince asks for the serial number is to verify you do indeed have a KPE card.  Now I do not know if this is true if you request the 1000w BIOS from Vince, so I can't comment on that, but felt it was important to let everyone know the feedback I received from EVGA regarding the Classified tool.

Good to know re: Classified tool. I did find it odd that you needed to e-mail Vince for the new version as the older versions never had that requirement and didn't void warranty.
 
1000w bios definitely voids your warranty, if not EVGA needs to come out and state it plainly. There's a reason everyone is afraid of being the one to be caught "leaking" it.

Sixxgunn

I'm thinking that you might actually have the 2nd worst KP ever.  I can't seem to get it stable over +110 and practically nothing, if anything (meaning +0) on the VRAM.   Trying to figure out what information to gather in order to ask for some help.   All the information going around about what to change and how to change it is seemingly a hot mess.  If anyone knows of a pretty solid guide/group/post/video on dialing in (AND UP) the OC on this card, please, please let me know.  I have been scouring information literally for the last 2 days and all I can seem to come up with are bits and pieces. 

this might help a little 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QIoeeUW5oc

You're welcome, I find these informative in so far as you can compare on screen temps/settings etc.. He has another video on more advanced overclocking, but that requires the 1000w bios.
 
 
Also, he has an interesting video which discusses possible issues with the thermal paste/putty application out of the factory. May not be an issue for everyday use but very informative non the less and helpful if you re-paste ate some future point.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym_b5XgkVsE 

Mine seems to be a real clunker. It doesn't really seem stable at above 2085mhz and +1000 on memory. At least in Metro Exodus, it will crash pretty quickly if I try and push it. At full stock settings it runs at around 1950 boost. Bleh.

Just had the first couple minutes with my kingpin hybrid version and well I'm not too impressed. Don't get me wrong the card itself is beautiful but I got a terrible overclocker. Or at least when want to go without classified tool.
On the 520w bios the card is unstable with a Core offset > 105
Mem is stable with +1700
Highest PR score so far: 14500
I do have a full custom loop and a 3090 ftw3 with ekwb block.
My highest PR score with the ftw3 was 15400. But I can score 15300 all day with the ftw3

I am baffled with how to overclock the KPH.  With the below base settings, I can complete Timespy. 
 
Keeping memory clock constant at +1300, once I exceed +100 core clock, no matter what I do with the power and voltage sliders in PX1 or afterburner, I cannot complete Timespy.
 
If I put in +110 core clock with power at 120% and voltage at +20%, I crash immediately in the Timespy demo.  Core +100 , Power +0%, Voltage +0%, I can run the below score result all day +/- depending on heatsoak.  GPU thermal never breaks 60C, ambient temp is 25.5C.  What am I doing wrong?
 
 
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63699349
 
Base Settings Spec:
Air cooled Fractal 7 Compact
Intel 11700K - no overclock, D-15S black, rear/bottom filtered intake
Front mounted rad, stock fans as exhaust
Afterburner overclock on LN2 bios switch
+0% core voltage
+100 core clock
+1300 mem clock
+0% power
 
 
Pic of rig as tested.  Planned to upgrade rad fans and do push/pull.  But if thermals aren't even a problem with my overclocking , whats the point? 
 

 

poto4321

redteamgo
I am baffled with how to overclock the KPH.  With the below base settings, I can complete Timespy. 
 
Keeping memory clock constant at +1300, once I exceed +100 core clock, no matter what I do with the power and voltage sliders in PX1 or afterburner, I cannot complete Timespy.
 
If I put in +110 core clock with power at 120% and voltage at +20%, I crash immediately in the Timespy demo.  Core +100 , Power +0%, Voltage +0%, I can run the below score result all day +/- depending on heatsoak.  GPU thermal never breaks 60C, ambient temp is 25.5C.  What am I doing wrong?
 
 
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63699349
 
Base Settings Spec:
Air cooled Fractal 7 Compact
Intel 11700K - no overclock, D-15S black, rear/bottom filtered intake
Front mounted rad, stock fans as exhaust
Afterburner overclock on LN2 bios switch
+0% core voltage
+100 core clock
+1300 mem clock
+0% power
 
 
Pic of rig as tested.  Planned to upgrade rad fans and do push/pull.  But if thermals aren't even a problem with my overclocking , whats the point? 
 

 

You aren't doing anything wrong.  Your card is a lot better than several of us on here.  I can't overclock mine at all, and turned out it was not even stable at default settings.  I had to lower my power limit to get mine to run stable, which is sad for a card that is sold as a serious overclockers card.  So feel lucky you are getting any overclock at all.

That is a bummer mate, sorry to hear that.  Scanning this thread , it sure seems like you're correct.  I really hope someone figures out the procedure to do this right and makes it available for the masses.  

anyone know if there are any other waterblocks coming for the KPE? the official evga block seems overpriced for what it is, and i can't get one even if i wanted to. there is an optimus waterblock coming, but that one will probably be like $400. it makes sense that companies would not bother making a block for a low volume product like this that comes with an AIO cooler from the factory any way, but i'm hoping i missed something. 

I got the Kingpin on Friday and tried to do some overlocks. I was able to do +140 and 1100+ mem with 100% power limit, but crashed on portal royal with the same offsets with 120% power limit, both overlock were done on the LN2 bios. So maybe it has something to do with the power limit? I don't think it is the issue with my PSU (1000w), so maybe adjusting the msvdd voltage will help? 

elbramso
Ok I discovered something weird:
I did some testing with Port Royal and the results don’t make to much sense.
It seems like the driver I use may favour the ftw3 over the KPE:
 
FTW3 / +105core / +1500mem:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63725246
 
KingPin / +90core / +1700mem:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/63693448
 
Compared result:
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/1124481/pr/1122963#
 
Nvidia Driver:
466.27
 
As you can see the KPE had higher average clock + mem but still had worse result.
 
 
 
 

I would backoff on your mem offset for the KPE.  It may complete the run successfully, but it may be having memory errors, and since it is ECC memory, it may be spending cycles correcting the error, hence the lower score.  Just a theory.
 
You can try this test to see: https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/ko1pje/is_there_a_way_i_can_see_if_my_gddr6_is_error/

poto4321
Here is a good article which explains the performance drop off when you start having errors: https://itigic.com/gddr6x-memory-why-it-achieves-more-speed-and-overclock/
 

very helpful - thanks