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Wanted a separate thread for this.  If other KP owners want to post what settings they are using (Classified.exe and PX1) this would be a good place to do it. My KP card showed up today and I was able to get it crammed into my O11 XL that already had 2 PE rads and distribution plate in the front. 
 
Best Port Royal Score: 14,983. Seeing that Jay had a 15,585, I was really hoping to hit 15k but couldn't do it. 
Best RAM OC: +1100. Any more than that and perf would go down or PR crash
Best GPU OC: +175 (I actually passed 180 but results were worse).  I'm thinking with the right temp and classified settings higher would be doable.
Bios switch: LN2
Fans: 100% (case covers off to pull cool air).  No other special fan placement just my case fan setup. I couldn't fit a fan behind the card.
Classified: see pic.
Watts: ~540 pulled on best run.
 
Question 1: Is there any way to manually control the LCD.  Never mind found it under the PX1 tool just need to arrow over on the bottom window.
Question 2: What are the best Classified settings to use or knobs to focus on?
Question 3: Could my riser cable be impacting my scores? (Linkup Gen4 cable 15cm).
Question 4: Is my EVGA 1000w PS enough, for non LN2 overclocking?
 
Overall happy with the card so far.  Being a premium card, I feel like the radiator and pump could be better.  Just a few seconds under load temps would climb quickly above 40c (with 19c ambient).  In comparison my custom cooled OC'ed 2080ti would never go above low 30s.  I would mount the card direct to the PCIe slot but I have a south bridge water block in the way and the card is just to thick to fit (need a HC KP card... cough JacobF!).  At least the card is working with the riser cable so that is good.  I'm also fighting the gigabyte beta bios so I could be losing some points to that.  Fans are pretty loud at 100% way louder than my P12s at 100% but they seem to move air pretty good.  When fans are set to the default auto the card seems pretty warm at idle ram ~50c and GPU ~40c.  I ended up setting a custom curve in PX1.  I might pull the south bridge water block and mount the card direct to the PCIe slot but that is a lot of work ;).  Hopefully I can get on the HC KP list and then pawn this card to a friend (if not wait for Optimus block).  The hoses could stand to be just a little longer they were just barely long enough to work for me.  Getting the card in and radiator stuffed through the side was a challenge.  I was wishing I had 3 arms.  Hmm, I wonder if there is an alien out there with 3 arms wishing they had 2 ;)  At any rate may the silicon lottery be with you.
 
System:
CPU: 5900X
MB: Gigabyte Aorus Master x570. F31j Beta Bios that is a little flakey.
RAM: 4x8 G.Skill F4-4266C19D-16GTZR (I have better ram coming)
 
 
side where I was able to fit the KP AIO rad.  The upside to a thin rad is that I was able to get it to fit under the side cover.

Not idea setup but I didn't want to omit a rad.  I'm pulling air in from the bottom and back and out the top and side.
Classified Settings:

Total power draw seems to be tied to NVDD and MSVDD.  I've never used Classified before so I wasn't sure which knobs to focus on. What should I be setting my * Loadline values to?  Not sure if I should be mucking with * Freq. either.
 
Update: I seem to be hitting some sort of hard limit around 14,900.  It is odd no amount of cooling (AC) will get me above this mark.  There must be something else with my configuration that is going on.  I'm going to pull my southbridge chip cooler and place the card directly in the PCIe slot to see what happens.  I might wait till this weekend when my new ram kit shows up. Again the card runs great for gamming with a mild OC I can hit 14.4->14.5 on PR all day and use it for gaming.
post edited by DarkClownX1X - 2020/12/07 12:31:36

 
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GPU: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hybrid->HC 
 
 
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 01:23:23 (permalink)
    Where did you download the classified program?
     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 05:22:33 (permalink)
    https://www.3dmark.com/pr/567385
    3dMark PR 15039
    PX1 and the dipswitch (before classified was out)
    NVVDD 2x enabled
    MSVDD 2x enabled
    +145 Core clock
    +1100 Mem clock
    LN2 bios maxed power limit
    +100 core voltage on PX1
    Maxed fans, And Portable ac unit on radiator. 
    Starting core them 10c ending temp 36c.
     
    Videos about it
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuNTUvO6dl0
    2nd Video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV6OB5wxtNw
     

    3090 Kingpin Hybrid --> sold to a friend after que for Hydro copper opened
    15039 3DMark Port Royal Hall of Fame #54 on 11/29/2020
     
    3090 FTW3 Hybrid --> current till KP Hydro copper que moves
    15053 3DMark Port Royal 9/17/2021
     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 05:27:22 (permalink)
    Clovis559
    Where did you download the classified program?
     


    Page 310 about half way down
    https://www.overclock.net...-club.1753930/page-310

    3090 Kingpin Hybrid --> sold to a friend after que for Hydro copper opened
    15039 3DMark Port Royal Hall of Fame #54 on 11/29/2020
     
    3090 FTW3 Hybrid --> current till KP Hydro copper que moves
    15053 3DMark Port Royal 9/17/2021
     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 05:29:05 (permalink)
    Thats a gnarly bend on the CPU outlet! Looks great Glad it ended up working out for you, I was concerned the rad was going to end up being a couple mm too thick because there is right @ ~53mm clearance on that mount and it looks like its perfectly snug. The O11D-XL is such a great case. One of the few things I think they messed up on the design of the case is the 2-height PCI vertical mount cutout being where it is since that in almost every scenario with a custom loop, that will be blocked by the bottom radiator. They should have raised that cutout up to the ~3rd PCIe bracket from the bottom so that you could use that vertical mount without blocking your other PCIe slots with the bracket you're using for it. There is plenty of room to have shifted that cutout up so its just below the rear fan mount.
     
    I think both Jay and Steve have mentioned that the riser cable can potentially impact stability if the card is trying to pull more over the PCIe power, however, if I recall they noted it is typically negligible and the impact is within the run-to-run variance. Not really going to impact your everyday use.
     
    Cheers
     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 05:32:10 (permalink)
    I can't even get 14,9, my best is 14,630
    Ty for the link!
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 05:46:55 (permalink)
    The binning process seems to be too forgiving on those kingpin cards... I expected 15000 PR score without too much effort that doesn't seem to be the case...
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 09:10:40 (permalink)
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    Thats a gnarly bend on the CPU outlet! Looks great Glad it ended up working out for you, I was concerned the rad was going to end up being a couple mm too thick because there is right @ ~53mm clearance on that mount and it looks like its perfectly snug. The O11D-XL is such a great case. One of the few things I think they messed up on the design of the case is the 2-height PCI vertical mount cutout being where it is since that in almost every scenario with a custom loop, that will be blocked by the bottom radiator. They should have raised that cutout up to the ~3rd PCIe bracket from the bottom so that you could use that vertical mount without blocking your other PCIe slots with the bracket you're using for it. There is plenty of room to have shifted that cutout up so its just below the rear fan mount.
     
    I think both Jay and Steve have mentioned that the riser cable can potentially impact stability if the card is trying to pull more over the PCIe power, however, if I recall they noted it is typically negligible and the impact is within the run-to-run variance. Not really going to impact your everyday use.
     
    Cheers



    Yes wasn't my first choice and did that one pretty quickly.  I spent of bunch of time making a fancy spiral but turned out the vertical GPU got in the way:

    The in out on the full cover water block are backwards to line up with the in out on the distro plate.  Good to know about the PCIe cable.  I'm close to 15k wonder if that would put me over.

     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 09:16:23 (permalink)
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    Where did you download the classified program?
     

    Page 310 about half way down
    https://www.overclock.net...-club.1753930/page-310


    I think it was also posted here under the KP pre-order thread.  I must admit it goes against my profession to execute a random .exe that has no digital signature.  Seems to be virus free though ;)

     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 09:20:24 (permalink)
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    Thats a gnarly bend on the CPU outlet! Looks great Glad it ended up working out for you, I was concerned the rad was going to end up being a couple mm too thick because there is right @ ~53mm clearance on that mount and it looks like its perfectly snug. The O11D-XL is such a great case. One of the few things I think they messed up on the design of the case is the 2-height PCI vertical mount cutout being where it is since that in almost every scenario with a custom loop, that will be blocked by the bottom radiator. They should have raised that cutout up to the ~3rd PCIe bracket from the bottom so that you could use that vertical mount without blocking your other PCIe slots with the bracket you're using for it. There is plenty of room to have shifted that cutout up so its just below the rear fan mount.
     
    I think both Jay and Steve have mentioned that the riser cable can potentially impact stability if the card is trying to pull more over the PCIe power, however, if I recall they noted it is typically negligible and the impact is within the run-to-run variance. Not really going to impact your everyday use.
     
    Cheers



    Yes wasn't my first choice and did that one pretty quickly.  I spent of bunch of time making a fancy spiral but turned out the vertical GPU got in the way:

    The in out on the full cover water block are backwards to line up with the in out on the distro plate.  Good to know about the PCIe cable.  I'm close to 15k wonder if that would put me over.




    Can always put that spiral back once you get a HC block for it ;)
     
    DarkClownX1X
    I think it was also posted here under the KP pre-order thread.  I must admit it goes against my profession to execute a random .exe that has no digital signature.  Seems to be virus free though ;)

     
    Ditto... I really wish EVGA would just put it up in the official downloads. It checks for the supported hardware so I don't see the need to jump through hoops to get it from some rando place on the internets
    post edited by PopinFRESH007 - 2020/12/04 09:22:30
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 09:25:32 (permalink)
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    https://www.3dmark.com/pr/567385
    3dMark PR 15039
    PX1 and the dipswitch (before classified was out)
    NVVDD 2x enabled
    MSVDD 2x enabled
    +145 Core clock
    +1100 Mem clock
    LN2 bios maxed power limit
    +100 core voltage on PX1
    Maxed fans, And Portable ac unit on radiator. 
    Starting core them 10c ending temp 36c.
     
    Videos about it
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuNTUvO6dl0
    2nd Video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV6OB5wxtNw
     

    Looks like you ended up at 14,581 at room temp?  I have a portable AC unit but I don't plan on gaming with that blowing cold air into my PC ;) Seems like just keeping the card extra cool give you more of a boost then actually moving the clock freq around.

     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 09:49:13 (permalink)



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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 10:22:25 (permalink)
    Big karma and kudos to the first person who can post some high res shots of the front and back PCB 
     
    Then we can do some real comparisons with the Strix
    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/images/front_full.jpg
    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/images/back_full.jpg
     
    Since with shunting and Elmor or Afterburner I2C you can get the same exact voltage control + power, so its all about dat PCB. 
    post edited by Chamidorix - 2020/12/04 10:25:54
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 10:26:28 (permalink)
    Dear lucky KPE owners, do the radiator fans stop at idle?
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 10:30:42 (permalink)
    Chamidorix
    Big karma and kudos to the first person who can post some high res shots of the front and back PCB 
     
    Then we can do some real comparisons with the Strix
    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/images/front_full.jpg
    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/images/back_full.jpg
     
    Since with shunting and Elmor or Afterburner I2C you can get the same exact voltage control + power, so its all about dat PCB. 


    I don't want to open the card up until I know if I can get an HC KP card or if I'm going to use a 3rd party water block on this one.  I have someone interested in this card and don't want to sell them a card I tore down.
     

     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 10:33:35 (permalink)
    mattsrs
    Dear lucky KPE owners, do the radiator fans stop at idle?



    Yes I know the card fan doesn't run but you can control the fans any way you like in the PX1 tool.


     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 10:38:20 (permalink)
    I just noticed that I'm running 1.1.1.0 of X1 and there is a 1.1.2.0 version available now.  The automatic update for X1 didn't detect a new version.  Time to redo all my bench marks :)  The software also did a bios update to the card.
    p.s. It looks like it does a separate update for each slot so expect to see 3 bios update screens one after the other.
    post edited by DarkClownX1X - 2020/12/04 10:50:59

     
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 10:49:08 (permalink)
    Chamidorix
    Big karma and kudos to the first person who can post some high res shots of the front and back PCB 
     
    Then we can do some real comparisons with the Strix
    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/images/front_full.jpg
    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/images/back_full.jpg
     
    Since with shunting and Elmor or Afterburner I2C you can get the same exact voltage control + power, so its all about dat PCB. 




     
    How does the PCB compare between the FTW3 Ultra and Strix OC 3090s?


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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 10:50:10 (permalink)
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    I just noticed that I'm running 1.1.1.0 of X1 and there is a 1.1.2.0 version available now.  The automatic update for X1 didn't detect a new version.  Time to redo all my bench marks :)  The software also did a bios update to the card.


    The 1.1.2 was released earlier this week i believe for KingPin compatibility, so hopefully you are able to see some difference. Good Luck and jealous you already have your hands on one. 

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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 10:59:49 (permalink)
    My best score so far on the KP is 14.852 (on the LN2 Bios). That's ambient temp around 74 degrees. My FTW3 Ultra best score is 14,601. Sure, I can hook the portable AC in my basement up to it and probably get it a little higher. Really, I was hoping for better binning, unless I don't understand the criteria for binning anymore. Right now it looks like I would be better off stripping the cooler off the KP and putting it on the FTW3 Ultra for the highest scores possible between the two. 
     
     
     


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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 11:09:02 (permalink)
    Man, Jay and Steve really got super cherry picked cards huh?
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 11:46:50 (permalink)
    Yes, It seems like it... For now nobody reached their scores...
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 11:48:09 (permalink)
    Jay didn't get 15,585 on the stock aio. Kingpin did that. He also got 15596 on the stock aio in a room at 78f. My card arrives tomorrow. 

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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 12:09:57 (permalink)
    Sajin
    Jay didn't get 15,585 on the stock aio. Kingpin did that. He also got 15596 on the stock aio in a room at 78f. My card arrives tomorrow. 




    Nobody is mentioning that Jay got 15596 on stock AIO with a container of LN2 fumes (which i assume is REALLY cold air) blowing across the rad........minor detail.
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 12:16:03 (permalink)
    I believe the highest jay got on the stock aio was like 15400.

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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 12:17:52 (permalink)
    Best I could do on the new bios was 14910.  It is a bit warmer in my office this morning and the heat vent is right above my PC.  Oh well back to setting it on game mode and using it for playing games ;)  I was noticing that you really need to keep the GPU temp under 40c to get a decent score.  If I start pulling above 480w my GPU temp goes up to fast and I get a poor score.  I'm starting to think maybe I don't have good die contact or something.  The cards they were using had been taken apart and KP paste put on the card.

     
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    Stickboy46
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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 12:23:29 (permalink)
    DarkClownX1X
    Best I could do on the new bios was 14910.  It is a bit warmer in my office this morning and the heat vent is right above my PC.  Oh well back to setting it on game mode and using it for playing games ;)  I was noticing that you really need to keep the GPU temp under 40c to get a decent score.  If I start pulling above 480w my GPU temp goes up to fast and I get a poor score.  I'm starting to think maybe I don't have good die contact or something.  The cards they were using had been taken apart and KP paste put on the card.


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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 12:28:18 (permalink)
    Sajin
    Jay didn't get 15,585 on the stock aio. Kingpin did that. He also got 15596 on the stock aio in a room at 78f. My card arrives tomorrow. 


    Enjoy it sajin, hopefully all will be good with it when it arrives.




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    Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 K|NGP|N - Owners thread (bench marks, questions, etc.) 2020/12/04 12:30:19 (permalink)
    sparetimepc
    Sajin
    Jay didn't get 15,585 on the stock aio. Kingpin did that. He also got 15596 on the stock aio in a room at 78f. My card arrives tomorrow. 


    Enjoy it sajin, hopefully all will be good with it when it arrives.

    Thanks. Will do. Hope so too. 

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