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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 08:29:48
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broski
are all those results with the Kinping Bios?
KPE 520w w/ ReBar. It rarely goes over 500w even with that bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 08:57:17
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Are Step-Up and queue cards shipping now from the new revision?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 09:09:17
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I have a similar question , I just recieved my RMA card (yet to install it cos I'm laid out with a bad back and have to swap the water blck to it from my dead card) but is there a way to tell if this card had the XOC bios installed in the OC slot at the factory (before I put it in the machine). Start of serial is 21141??? Thx
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 09:12:35
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I'm holding out a but longer for this process to be ironed out before I consider doing the swap. I have a bad 3rd fan anyway on this 3090 so I have two reasons to do a swap.
I don't want to wait too long though in case they run out of silicon before NVidia starts pushing out the gimped mining versions, if it even comes to the 3090. I'd be pissed if I traded my card in, only to not be able to mine when I'm not gaming.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 10:07:44
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For those who have been trying the Kingpin BIOS... are you trying them on your original cards, or the 3090OC RMA Replacement ones?
Also, I'm assuming people are using this specific one:
Filename: 231621.rom
VBIOS Version: 94.02.42.C0.0C
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 11:58:28
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Recently got a 3090 FTW UG that has the power draw balancing issue on the 3rd PCIE connector and PCIE bus even with the XOC and recent XOC Bar bios. I sent a polite email to suggested 3090OC email address, so i'll wait to see if i hear back from them.
Not sure what else i can do within reason to address the issue on my end. card clocks nice in 1080P/1440P (2100+MHz core) and stability test show that its fine at around 350-400 watts, but as soon as i do anything in 4k, the 450 watt power limit kicks in, and the card down volts to sub 1v causing it to become unstable and leads to 3d applications hanging/crashing.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 12:16:36
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For those who have been trying the Kingpin BIOS... are you trying them on your original cards, or the 3090OC RMA Replacement ones?
Also, I'm assuming people are using this specific one:
Filename: 231621.rom
VBIOS Version: 94.02.42.C0.0C
Only used that BIOS on the replacement card. working pretty good.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 12:21:44
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For those who have been trying the Kingpin BIOS... are you trying them on your original cards, or the 3090OC RMA Replacement ones?
Also, I'm assuming people are using this specific one:
Filename: 231621.rom
VBIOS Version: 94.02.42.C0.0C
I tried the KP520 bios on my OG Red Lip 3090 yesterday and I was still limited to about the same as the XOC's 465w peak, made no diff on my card. Clocks still about 2025-2055 in games. Going to try the XC3 bios tonight in hopes to reach 2.1ghz in game...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 12:27:39
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To all the bros who have received the special RMA programme cards, have you received them in brand new complete boxes?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 12:37:57
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To all the bros who have received the special RMA programme cards, have you received them in brand new complete boxes?
yes, new and sealed.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 12:49:24
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Are the fixed cards 100% supposed to pull an equal amount of power across all 3 connectors or is there some slack to this to where its still a little less on the 3rd 8 pin?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 12:53:02
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Are the fixed cards 100% supposed to pull an equal amount of power across all 3 connectors or is there some slack to this to where its still a little less on the 3rd 8 pin?
Bios xoc 500w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 12:59:44
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ckelas
To all the bros who have received the special RMA programme cards, have you received them in brand new complete boxes?
yes, new and sealed.
Many thanks bro!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 13:51:25
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Myst3ryx
For those who have been trying the Kingpin BIOS... are you trying them on your original cards, or the 3090OC RMA Replacement ones?
Also, I'm assuming people are using this specific one:
Filename: 231621.rom
VBIOS Version: 94.02.42.C0.0C
I tried the KP520 bios on my OG Red Lip 3090 yesterday and I was still limited to about the same as the XOC's 465w peak, made no diff on my card. Clocks still about 2025-2055 in games. Going to try the XC3 bios tonight in hopes to reach 2.1ghz in game...
Are you trying to avoid doing an RMA?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 14:00:15
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I can confirm that the kingpin bios alone isn't enough
Pre-rma card won't go over 450 even with the 530 bios
Tried with 2 different cards, both stuck at 450
After rma - up to 500
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 14:05:00
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To all the bros who have received the special RMA programme cards, have you received them in brand new complete boxes?
yup
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 14:25:38
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Myst3ryx
For those who have been trying the Kingpin BIOS... are you trying them on your original cards, or the 3090OC RMA Replacement ones?
Also, I'm assuming people are using this specific one:
Filename: 231621.rom
VBIOS Version: 94.02.42.C0.0C
I tried the KP520 bios on my OG Red Lip 3090 yesterday and I was still limited to about the same as the XOC's 465w peak, made no diff on my card. Clocks still about 2025-2055 in games. Going to try the XC3 bios tonight in hopes to reach 2.1ghz in game...
Are you trying to avoid doing an RMA?
I have not really seen it as too much of a problem imo, I was wanting to get my other 3090 issue sorted with Gigabyte before I worried about my FTW3's issues. the GB issues were much more severe haha. I was pretty hype when XOC first came out for the cards last year but was disappointed with how it turned out. I kind of let it go and have enjoyed it at "only" 465w. But if I would have been limited at 400 like some people i probably would have RMA'ed already. Sucks to get lucky enough to get 2 3090's by Oct of 2020 and both of them have issues, that's how new products work though. I'm getting back into tinkering and wanna see if I can get this card to get closer to 500+. I might RMA if enough people have success with the process though.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 15:25:13
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ckelas
To all the bros who have received the special RMA programme cards, have you received them in brand new complete boxes?
yup
Cheers brother!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 17:33:04
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OK, sorry I have lost track of this thread a bit. From trying to catch up, it sounds like you are able to RMA your FTW3 UG 3090 if the XOC BIOS isn't preforming? Is there a summary that I can read somewhere that outline why one would RMA their 3090? I received mine pretty early on, and it sounds like there is a new revision of the card? I have applied the lates XOC BIOS and my card power draw gets above 400W, but not sure what else I should be looking for. How do I tell which version I have? And is the "new" version an actual hardware change or just firmware? Would it be worth it? I have a waterblock on my 3090 and really do not look forward to pulling the card and shipping it back. Any help understanding the current situation would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, J
post edited by Jsunn - 2021/04/28 17:36:11
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS
2021/04/28 18:27:13
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Specla69, what are the first 4 digits of your serial number?
As the user above has mentioned - it's a half a..ed design, unfixable with software.
Depending on how much you've paid for yours, you might be better off selling it and getting a different brand.
The RMA in EU takes about 3 weeks but there were reports of RMA cards being as bad as the card they sent in.
Since no one from EVGA bothers on explaining the core of the issue, I'd sell it asap and not risk another lemon.
Thanks Bepzinky and all else who replied - I haven't figured out how to reply to multiple posts yet lol. First 4 digits of S/N is 2014. I got my card back in October but only now decided to properly measure the gains on this BIOS. Will begin the RMA process soon and keep everyone updated. I'm locked into an EVGA card now as I have an EK block for it. I'm in Australia so I don't think the RMA will be as bad, plus I have a decent laptop I can use in the meantime. My only issue will be returning it to stock as the thermal pads were completely shot and brittle when I pulled it apart plus they used some weird foam instead of thermal pads on the VRM caps . At least on the bright side I can grab some high quality thermal pads in the meantime for the new card and it forces me to flush my loop. Such a shame as for one of their top cards and the amount paid I'd expect the best. I have my workmate constantly saying "that's EVGA man" flexing his Strix 3090 (on air though so he can't pull the full power without melting it lol). I will defeat his benchmarks! Thanks again guys.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 18:53:12
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OK, sorry I have lost track of this thread a bit. From trying to catch up, it sounds like you are able to RMA your FTW3 UG 3090 if the XOC BIOS isn't preforming? Is there a summary that I can read somewhere that outline why one would RMA their 3090?
I received mine pretty early on, and it sounds like there is a new revision of the card? I have applied the lates XOC BIOS and my card power draw gets above 400W, but not sure what else I should be looking for.
How do I tell which version I have? And is the "new" version an actual hardware change or just firmware?
Would it be worth it? I have a waterblock on my 3090 and really do not look forward to pulling the card and shipping it back.
Any help understanding the current situation would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
J
I consolidated Jacob's posts on the new RMA program for this problem in post #2 of this thread. It's a hardware change with a new VBIOS, but the new VBIOS limits the old card to 350W.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 18:57:00
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I remember a few pages back people were having issues with their oc email 3090's and the hybrid kit. I never had issues with mine, but I also didnt update px1 to the hybrid version. is it now safe to do that? Will I hurt my power limit? Does it work ok with rebar? I would like to be able to control the LED color on the hybrid cooler.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 19:05:30
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Jsunn
OK, sorry I have lost track of this thread a bit. From trying to catch up, it sounds like you are able to RMA your FTW3 UG 3090 if the XOC BIOS isn't preforming? Is there a summary that I can read somewhere that outline why one would RMA their 3090?
I received mine pretty early on, and it sounds like there is a new revision of the card? I have applied the lates XOC BIOS and my card power draw gets above 400W, but not sure what else I should be looking for.
How do I tell which version I have? And is the "new" version an actual hardware change or just firmware?
Would it be worth it? I have a waterblock on my 3090 and really do not look forward to pulling the card and shipping it back.
Any help understanding the current situation would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
J
I consolidated Jacob's posts on the new RMA program for this problem in post #2 of this thread. It's a hardware change with a new VBIOS, but the new VBIOS limits the old card to 350W.
OK thank you for the post. I think I still need some additional information, and maybe it can be added to the second post to help others as well. 1. What defines expected performance? I know EVGA cannot guaranty OC performance, but what parameters should I be looking for with the XOC BIOS? 2. I read multiple posts about load balancing issues on the PCIE, again, what is considered normal and what would be "abnormal" enough to require an RMA? 3. Is this new version tied to a SN change, or is there a rev version printed on the board? i.e. SN starting with ABCXXX are the new rev of the board? My SN start with 2012533XXXXX I'll add a quick run with HW Info screen cap in a couple of min. Furmark, OC set in MSI afterburner +200 Core, +250 Mem Power and temp sliders maxed. Running GPU stress test in Furmark.  Thank you, J
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 19:13:05
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Jsunn
OK, sorry I have lost track of this thread a bit. From trying to catch up, it sounds like you are able to RMA your FTW3 UG 3090 if the XOC BIOS isn't preforming? Is there a summary that I can read somewhere that outline why one would RMA their 3090?
I received mine pretty early on, and it sounds like there is a new revision of the card? I have applied the lates XOC BIOS and my card power draw gets above 400W, but not sure what else I should be looking for.
How do I tell which version I have? And is the "new" version an actual hardware change or just firmware?
Would it be worth it? I have a waterblock on my 3090 and really do not look forward to pulling the card and shipping it back.
Any help understanding the current situation would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
J
I consolidated Jacob's posts on the new RMA program for this problem in post #2 of this thread. It's a hardware change with a new VBIOS, but the new VBIOS limits the old card to 350W.
OK thank you for the post.
I think I still need some additional information, and maybe it can be added to the second post to help others as well.
1. What defines expected performance? I know EVGA cannot guaranty OC performance, but what parameters should I be looking for with the XOC BIOS?
2. I read multiple posts about load balancing issues on the PCIE, again, what is considered normal and what would be "abnormal" enough to require an RMA?
3. Is this new version tied to a SN change, or is there a rev version printed on the board? i.e. SN starting with ABCXXX are the new rev of the board? My SN start with 2012533XXXXX
I'll add a quick run with HW Info screen cap in a couple of min.
Thank you,
J
I can't tell you what EVGA will or won't accept - you should follow what Jacob asked and include power readings from GPU-Z (total power draw, PCIE slot, PCIE plug 1, 2, and 3) / game used / resolution in your email to the email address Jacob listed. 1. If I had to guess, <450W on the 500W VBIOS is bad, >67W on the PCIE slot is bad (75W is max for PCIE spec, but GPU-Z doesn't read 3.3V, just 12V - that's why properly working (stock) cards draw no more than 67W as read by GPU-Z), and PCIE plug #3 is 20+W lower than the other two plugs is bad. 2. See 1. 3. No clue.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/28 19:19:00
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Jsunn
arestavo
Jsunn
OK, sorry I have lost track of this thread a bit. From trying to catch up, it sounds like you are able to RMA your FTW3 UG 3090 if the XOC BIOS isn't preforming? Is there a summary that I can read somewhere that outline why one would RMA their 3090?
I received mine pretty early on, and it sounds like there is a new revision of the card? I have applied the lates XOC BIOS and my card power draw gets above 400W, but not sure what else I should be looking for.
How do I tell which version I have? And is the "new" version an actual hardware change or just firmware?
Would it be worth it? I have a waterblock on my 3090 and really do not look forward to pulling the card and shipping it back.
Any help understanding the current situation would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
J
I consolidated Jacob's posts on the new RMA program for this problem in post #2 of this thread. It's a hardware change with a new VBIOS, but the new VBIOS limits the old card to 350W.
OK thank you for the post.
I think I still need some additional information, and maybe it can be added to the second post to help others as well.
1. What defines expected performance? I know EVGA cannot guaranty OC performance, but what parameters should I be looking for with the XOC BIOS?
2. I read multiple posts about load balancing issues on the PCIE, again, what is considered normal and what would be "abnormal" enough to require an RMA?
3. Is this new version tied to a SN change, or is there a rev version printed on the board? i.e. SN starting with ABCXXX are the new rev of the board? My SN start with 2012533XXXXX
I'll add a quick run with HW Info screen cap in a couple of min.
Thank you,
J
I can't tell you what EVGA will or won't accept - you should follow what Jacob asked and include power readings from GPU-Z (total power draw, PCIE slot, PCIE plug 1, 2, and 3) / game used / resolution in your email to the email address Jacob listed.
1. If I had to guess, <450W on the 500W VBIOS is bad, >67W on the PCIE slot is bad (75W is max for PCIE spec, but GPU-Z doesn't read 3.3V, just 12V - that's why properly working (stock) cards draw no more than 67W as read by GPU-Z), and PCIE plug #3 is 20+W lower than the other two plugs is bad.
2. See 1.
3. No clue.
OK, thanks for the info, this was pretty helpful. Take a look at my screen shot attached in my previous post. I will reach out to the email and see what they say. Thanks again for putting some additional boundaries on what I should be looking for. -Jason
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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OK, thanks for the info, this was pretty helpful. Take a look at my screen shot attached in my previous post. I will reach out to the email and see what they say.
Thanks again for putting some additional boundaries on what I should be looking for.
-Jason
You should quality with that really high PCIE slot power draw - it's way out of spec.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Sent EVGA an email to the address listed in the second post. Thank you again for your help. We'll see what happens. Update, looks like my card is eligible for RMA. Does anyone know what the turnaround time is? They stated that cross shipping wasn't possible for this RMA unfortunately. -J
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/29 10:47:53
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Everything works fine for me on my 3090 ftw3 ultra.
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