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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 18:47:38 (permalink)
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So i have a warranty of 3 years on my card and i will use it



Not with that 1000w bios you wont. How are you reading how much power all 3 ports are taking on the XC3 bios? 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 18:51:09 (permalink)
With XC3 bios you wont too and the power balance is a mess. And i would not be surprise if red light on 8 pin not come from this usage of 2x 8 pins bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 18:53:06 (permalink)
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In fact it was nothing to do with supplemental PCIE power. Motherborad only provides 12V and 3.3V wire connection between 24PIN ATX and PCIE slot. The plastic of PCIE slot could melt and get damaged due to overcurrent and overheat. The weakest point is always the plastic part of PCIE slot.

 
OK so you saw something completely different than what I saw witht he widespread failures.  I saw dead motherboards or dead PCIEx16 slots with no melted plastic anywhere(not the 24 pin connector and not in the PCIEx16 slot) in people who had motherboard failures with RX 480's.
 
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80-85 Watt was not the problem of the rx480s some of them sucked over 100 Watt out of the slot and that was causing the problem...and you have to look at averaging at your pcie Slot and thats always at 74-75 Watts, sometimes with hard overclocking it averages at 76-77 Watt on the 3090 FTW3. Now i have also a Strix and with Powerlimit on 480 max pcie was at 53 Watt. The two cards are very similar in behaving. Only in benches the strix goes a bit higher. 14.150 Evga and 14.350 Strix with 450Watt on both cards. But the evga is a lot quieter because of the coil whining strix. Now i look which one to keep.
Edit 2 port royal with Strix 480 Watt it was 14.540. Everything on air



My EVGA cards are the only cards I've had that consistently draw 75 watts or more through the PCIEx16 slot.  The MSI, Asus, and Zotac cards all draw 45-65 watts through the PCIEx16 slot.  Even with the Kingpin 1000 watt BIOS on the MSI and Asus Strix cards they rarely hit 66 watts through the PCIEx16 slot.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 18:59:42 (permalink)
Bavor you are right, but the ftw3 is like this so if something happen we have a warranty and its not the user to be blame here if the company force people use other bios coz the card dosent work properly.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 19:01:47 (permalink)
Is ist possible to buy the „evc2“ anywhere?
ElmoreLabs discontinue this GPU-Controller 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 19:28:38 (permalink)
dwayne, good luck lol
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 19:49:28 (permalink)
Are you the real 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 20:05:01 (permalink)
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Bavor you are right, but the ftw3 is like this so if something happen we have a warranty and its not the user to be blame here if the company force people use other bios coz the card dosent work properly.


Evga will not replace your motherboard or other components that your out of spec video card kills.

 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 20:10:32 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 20:22:46 (permalink)
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I went through the report from various websites, found the reported max average power draw in game was just 90W and couldn't find where your 100W data came from.... But that's not important anyway...
 
My RMAed 3090 FTW3U has 77W average power draw @ 420W default BIOS and 81~83W @ 500W xoc BIOS. Maybe you are lucky to get a good card without PCIe overcurrent issue.


This is a peak value and most of the time card will pull 70w on pcie when gaming, nothing to worry and on the 1000w bios average is 80w.


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I went through the report from various websites, found the reported max average power draw in game was just 90W and couldn't find where your 100W data came from.... But that's not important anyway...
 
My RMAed 3090 FTW3U has 77W average power draw @ 420W default BIOS and 81~83W @ 500W xoc BIOS. Maybe you are lucky to get a good card without PCIe overcurrent issue.


This is a peak value and most of the time card will pull 70w on pcie when gaming, nothing to worry and on the 1000w bios average is 80w.


No, my peak value is 79~80W for default bios and 85W for xoc bios.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 20:37:34 (permalink)
Ok i understand but i dont think 5w on pcie will change something, coz like you said its the peak value, so the everage wont demage compoment at all.
 
Anyway i understand the value is high for a graphic card and its not suppose exeed 75w and EVGA is out of spec. Its look like verry hard to balance those power draw 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 20:58:38 (permalink)
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Ok i understand but i dont think 5w on pcie will change something, coz like you said its the peak value, so the everage wont demage compoment at all.
 
Anyway i understand the value is high for a graphic card and its not suppose exeed 75w and EVGA is out of spec. Its look like verry hard to balance those power draw 


In fact, the standard PCIe power draw from 12V rail is 66W instead of 75W because the addtional 9~10W comes from 3.3V rail which is not counted on GPUZ. You can compare the number from "GPU PCIe +12V Input Power" HWiNFO64 and "PCIe Slot Power" GPUZ to prove that. 75W readout is already out of spec for 12V rail not to mention avg >80W. My motherboard is still working because excessive quality..... Such device could not be listed in PCI-SIG's integrators list.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/14 21:40:55 (permalink)
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 What i not like with xc3 bios its a 2x8pin and power draw on 8 pin are not balance over the 3x 8 pin for this reason i use the 1000w bios coz its a 3 x 8pin bios and 3 x 8pin are near the same power draw.
XC3 force the card much more on 1 on the 8 pin and it can do bad with time. Its sterss the board on a bad way.
To my eyes the XC3 bios is more dangerous then the 1000w bios if you use it carefully and put the power slider at 52% then you wont exeed 525w and power draw on the card is nice.
 
After 3 month with my ftw3 this its my conclusion with the tool we have actually.
 
If i have a real 500w bios and i can game at 2100mhz it can be another story.
 
 




changboy how did you find 8 pin balancing problem?


Coz in gpuz power draw on pcie was 68w - 8 pin#1=76w -8pin#2=176w so the total is 320w then to get 500w mean you have at least 8pin#3=180w if you hit 520w board power draw you can near draw 200w on 8 pin#3.
 
The 1000w bios average of 8 pins are 150w not 180w. But not just that, first time i was using a 2x8pins bios its look fine and boost at 2100mhz but after 3 days i feel something force and my card not boost at 2100mhz but 2085mhz. So i didnt continue that way.
And i cant see the exact power draw on my card and didnt like this.
If you push harder on just some part of the pcb its doing bad. Coz those part are stress more then normal and will fail earlier.
Push all compoment at the top its not better to push 1 side to the top always coz this part will fail earlier.
 
Its mean with the 1000w bios 3X 140w + 85wpcie = 525w
XC3 Bios = 76w+176+182w+68wpcie = 502w
Wich one seam more normal and adequate to you ?




Yes I also saw from GPUIZ #1 showing MAX something small about 70W.  I believe this to be the bug.  PSU directly report smallest 8pins MAX 14.5A and bigger one is really crazy close 17A so what the hell is this?  3rd port MAX also around 14.5A.  GPUIZ I dont know which port he identifies but none is match.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 05:13:53 (permalink)
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 What i not like with xc3 bios its a 2x8pin and power draw on 8 pin are not balance over the 3x 8 pin for this reason i use the 1000w bios coz its a 3 x 8pin bios and 3 x 8pin are near the same power draw.
XC3 force the card much more on 1 on the 8 pin and it can do bad with time. Its sterss the board on a bad way.
To my eyes the XC3 bios is more dangerous then the 1000w bios if you use it carefully and put the power slider at 52% then you wont exeed 525w and power draw on the card is nice.
 
After 3 month with my ftw3 this its my conclusion with the tool we have actually.
 
If i have a real 500w bios and i can game at 2100mhz it can be another story.
 
 




changboy how did you find 8 pin balancing problem?


Coz in gpuz power draw on pcie was 68w - 8 pin#1=76w -8pin#2=176w so the total is 320w then to get 500w mean you have at least 8pin#3=180w if you hit 520w board power draw you can near draw 200w on 8 pin#3.
 
The 1000w bios average of 8 pins are 150w not 180w. But not just that, first time i was using a 2x8pins bios its look fine and boost at 2100mhz but after 3 days i feel something force and my card not boost at 2100mhz but 2085mhz. So i didnt continue that way.
And i cant see the exact power draw on my card and didnt like this.
If you push harder on just some part of the pcb its doing bad. Coz those part are stress more then normal and will fail earlier.
Push all compoment at the top its not better to push 1 side to the top always coz this part will fail earlier.
 
Its mean with the 1000w bios 3X 140w + 85wpcie = 525w
XC3 Bios = 76w+176+182w+68wpcie = 502w
Wich one seam more normal and adequate to you ?




i am using xc3 bios on my ftw3 hybrid and is working perfectly... solid boost frequencies, no more throttling and power draw up to 520w.... about xc3 power balance i am not sure that pin 1 and 2 readout is correct because for example voltage on pin 2 is 9v instead of 12v so is completely bugged, why the reported wattage value should be correct so? and again main difference with 1000w is always the same it doesn't void the warranty because IT HAS PROTECTIONS so your 1000w bios could also perform a bit better but if things accidentally goes wrong for any reason it won't shutdown the card until it will literally melt... so i don't think is worth to use
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 06:50:42 (permalink)
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 What i not like with xc3 bios its a 2x8pin and power draw on 8 pin are not balance over the 3x 8 pin for this reason i use the 1000w bios coz its a 3 x 8pin bios and 3 x 8pin are near the same power draw.
XC3 force the card much more on 1 on the 8 pin and it can do bad with time. Its sterss the board on a bad way.
To my eyes the XC3 bios is more dangerous then the 1000w bios if you use it carefully and put the power slider at 52% then you wont exeed 525w and power draw on the card is nice.
 
After 3 month with my ftw3 this its my conclusion with the tool we have actually.
 
If i have a real 500w bios and i can game at 2100mhz it can be another story.
 
 




changboy how did you find 8 pin balancing problem?


Coz in gpuz power draw on pcie was 68w - 8 pin#1=76w -8pin#2=176w so the total is 320w then to get 500w mean you have at least 8pin#3=180w if you hit 520w board power draw you can near draw 200w on 8 pin#3.
 
The 1000w bios average of 8 pins are 150w not 180w. But not just that, first time i was using a 2x8pins bios its look fine and boost at 2100mhz but after 3 days i feel something force and my card not boost at 2100mhz but 2085mhz. So i didnt continue that way.
And i cant see the exact power draw on my card and didnt like this.
If you push harder on just some part of the pcb its doing bad. Coz those part are stress more then normal and will fail earlier.
Push all compoment at the top its not better to push 1 side to the top always coz this part will fail earlier.
 
Its mean with the 1000w bios 3X 140w + 85wpcie = 525w
XC3 Bios = 76w+176+182w+68wpcie = 502w
Wich one seam more normal and adequate to you ?




i am using xc3 bios on my ftw3 hybrid and is working perfectly... solid boost frequencies, no more throttling and power draw up to 520w.... about xc3 power balance i am not sure that pin 1 and 2 readout is correct because for example voltage on pin 2 is 9v instead of 12v so is completely bugged, why the reported wattage value should be correct so? and again main difference with 1000w is always the same it doesn't void the warranty because IT HAS PROTECTIONS so your 1000w bios could also perform a bit better but if things accidentally goes wrong for any reason it won't shutdown the card until it will literally melt... so i don't think is worth to use


I may be wrong but I think flashing any BIOS on your GPU that is not meant/coded for your specific GPU voids your warranty. Regardless if it has protections or not.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 08:37:29 (permalink)
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I may be wrong but I think flashing any BIOS on your GPU that is not meant/coded for your specific GPU voids your warranty. Regardless if it has protections or not.



Per EVGA's own GPU warranty page
  • Unauthorized changes to the BIOS or Firmware on Products that do not have a Multiple BIOS option may cause this warranty to be null and void.
Per that, if you have one stock VBIOS on the card (and aren't using the warranty voiding 1000W VBIOS/leaving it on the card when you RMA/posting that you used it and EVGA sees that), you're good using a different VBIOS on the FTW3 dual VBIOS card. That's the North American version, and it may be different for different regions.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 09:30:55 (permalink)
Yo guys,
I've got my 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming last week, still waiting for a water cool block before I set the monster into the system.
Is there any news about the pcie bug (drawing more than 75 W out of the pcie slot9)?
I heard a new beta BIOS has been released to solve the issue. Does it work as it supposed to be?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 09:41:48 (permalink)
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Yo guys,
I've got my 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming last week, still waiting for a water cool block before I set the monster into the system.
Is there any news about the pcie bug (drawing more than 75 W of of the pcie slot9)?
I heard a new beta BIOS has been released to solve the issue. Does it work as it supposed to be?


Nothing new.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 09:58:00 (permalink)
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Yo guys,
I've got my 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming last week, still waiting for a water cool block before I set the monster into the system.
Is there any news about the pcie bug (drawing more than 75 W out of the pcie slot9)?
I heard a new beta BIOS has been released to solve the issue. Does it work as it supposed to be?


You better test your card on air now before the 30 day refund is past, to see if your card perform and work well. Try it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 16:32:53 (permalink)
Does EVGA Precision have a higher allowable power limit than Afterburner? 3090 RMA will be here soon and want to do as many benches as possible before I integrate this card into my custom loop.
 
My last card lived for 2 days and I was able to achieve 14500 scores in Port Royale with +700 Ram and +100 Core with 109% power limit in afterburner. I even made them test the card at the store when I purchased it as my first 3090 was DOA from Amazon. I'm having terrible luck with this card LOL hope third try is the charm.
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 17:20:17 (permalink)
For some of you running the 1000w BIOS, I'd be careful about drawing too much power, even if you're liquid cooling.  Short term I'm sure it will hold up just fine, but I've had liquid cooled cards die from pushing them too hard for too long.  I may have this card for 2 to 3 years, so I want it to last, and I'm not super comfortable drawing much more than 525w consistently for the entire life span of the card.  On the other hand, I may only have it a year, if Nvidia comes out with something better at the end of this year I'd probably buy it, assuming it's significantly better and not just a little better.  That being the case, I'd probably risk it and go buck wild.  But I don't know, so I'll err on the side of caution.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 17:25:58 (permalink)
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For some of you running the 1000w BIOS, I'd be careful about drawing too much power, even if you're liquid cooling.  Short term I'm sure it will hold up just fine, but I've had liquid cooled cards die from pushing them too hard for too long.  I may have this card for 2 to 3 years, so I want it to last, and I'm not super comfortable drawing much more than 525w consistently for the entire life span of the card.  On the other hand, I may only have it a year, if Nvidia comes out with something better at the end of this year I'd probably buy it, assuming it's significantly better and not just a little better.  That being the case, I'd probably risk it and go buck wild.  But I don't know, so I'll err on the side of caution.


dont push ur card like this :
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 17:54:26 (permalink)
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dont push ur card like this :

9.6W from popping the PCIE fuse, ballsy! (assuming that's a 3090 FTW3)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 18:11:56 (permalink)
I really dont know who take that pic 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 22:54:43 (permalink)
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Dude i have this mobo :
 

 
No video card will kill it.




Dont jinx it
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/15 23:17:20 (permalink)
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Dude i have this mobo :
 
 
 
No video card will kill it.




Dont jinx it


How about 2 rtx-3090 kingpin on LN2 on this motherboard ????
How much power do you think that sli can draw ? The board is perfectly fine after doing it.
So 1 lil 3090 ftw3 ultra at room temperature, that mobo didnt notice it have a graphic card plug to it 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/16 06:58:47 (permalink)
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For some of you running the 1000w BIOS, I'd be careful about drawing too much power, even if you're liquid cooling.  Short term I'm sure it will hold up just fine, but I've had liquid cooled cards die from pushing them too hard for too long.  I may have this card for 2 to 3 years, so I want it to last, and I'm not super comfortable drawing much more than 525w consistently for the entire life span of the card.  On the other hand, I may only have it a year, if Nvidia comes out with something better at the end of this year I'd probably buy it, assuming it's significantly better and not just a little better.  That being the case, I'd probably risk it and go buck wild.  But I don't know, so I'll err on the side of caution.


dont push ur card like this :
 


this picture is scary ahaha... a kingpin for sure
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/16 08:08:17 (permalink)
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How about 2 rtx-3090 kingpin on LN2 on this motherboard ????



The thought of two 3090s in SLI hurts my brain a lot more than the mobo apparently lol
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/16 09:13:19 (permalink)
Brain or wallet ?? 
 
post edited by changboy - 2021/02/16 09:17:16
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/16 11:41:12 (permalink)
Looking for advice and the benefit of your experience in a field I'm not used to walking across.
 

This is the highest I have been able to OC my FTW 3090 Ultra: +125/+750 +100mV 119% TDP on the XOC Bios. The screenshot of GPU-Z maximums is from the bench mark shown. I ran all of the Timespy/Port Royale stress tests in 3D Mark and got over 99% on all of them so have settled on this OC for gaming as it looks stable. I managed +175/+1250 on Timespy once but it didn't finish Port Royale.

Not sure if there is anything else I can do to get a stable OC higher than this?

One more question, I pumped up the voltage to +100mV... should I now try to reduce this now I have found stable frequencies, or in your experiences, would this topple the stability, it seems to be a maximum rather than full time, but maybe I'm looking at the wrong voltage in GPU-Z?

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