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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/05 22:31:45 (permalink)
So looks like I accidentally flashed the OC mode of the FTW3 Ultra while I was in Normal Non OC mode.
Is this just a matter of redoing the flash while on the correct mode or have I possibly broken something ??
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/05 22:44:45 (permalink)
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So looks like I accidentally flashed the OC mode of the FTW3 Ultra while I was in Normal Non OC mode.
Is this just a matter of redoing the flash while on the correct mode or have I possibly broken something ??


Dosent matter ...
Flash again the correct bios to 'normal' position
Its safe .
You should know normal and oc bios is the same bios(450w).
The difference is the fun curve only

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/06 07:44:03 (permalink)
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So looks like I accidentally flashed the OC mode of the FTW3 Ultra while I was in Normal Non OC mode.
Is this just a matter of redoing the flash while on the correct mode or have I possibly broken something ??


Dosent matter ...
Flash again the correct bios to 'normal' position
Its safe .
You should know normal and oc bios is the same bios(450w).
The difference is the fun curve only

@Epsilon1190 - “the fun curve” I love that, says so much more than the fan curve!!!👍

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/06 10:42:25 (permalink)
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So looks like I accidentally flashed the OC mode of the FTW3 Ultra while I was in Normal Non OC mode.
Is this just a matter of redoing the flash while on the correct mode or have I possibly broken something ??


Dosent matter ...
Flash again the correct bios to 'normal' position
Its safe .
You should know normal and oc bios is the same bios(450w).
The difference is the fun curve only

@Epsilon1190 - “the fun curve” I love that, says so much more than the fan curve!!!👍


Hahaha you catch the point at least
Fan curve is a fun curve hahaha

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/06 13:00:41 (permalink)
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So looks like I accidentally flashed the OC mode of the FTW3 Ultra while I was in Normal Non OC mode.
Is this just a matter of redoing the flash while on the correct mode or have I possibly broken something ??


Dosent matter ...
Flash again the correct bios to 'normal' position
Its safe .
You should know normal and oc bios is the same bios(450w).
The difference is the fun curve only

@Epsilon1190 - “the fun curve” I love that, says so much more than the fan curve!!!👍


Hahaha you catch the point at least
Fan curve is a fun curve hahaha

I prefer to not have a fan curve at all and run my fans at permanent 5 Volt. 
 
But my Waterblock is still not shipped🤮


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/06 13:31:44 (permalink)
Just wanted to share the answer from the support team on my card drawing 81 watts from the pcie.

"Hello,

Thank you for reaching out to us about your PCI-e slot. While the slot is speced for 75w, it can produce up to 90w without issue. When it starts to get to 95ish watts is when there is a problem. There isn't any need for an RMA at this point. If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out again.

Regards,
EVGA"

So no RMA for me I guess

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/06 13:56:54 (permalink)
Guy's after a lot of tests that i made
The best scenario for gaming but no for bench is..
Uv oc .In my case i have great results without heat.about 6-8c less

Example 0.968mv 2070mhz or 1.0mv 2085.
+650 oc ram.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/06 14:19:24 (permalink)
If it pulls 75-80 from the slot and 70-80 the 8 pin and your card does not come close to power target it is still messed up. I got mine approved no questions asked.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/06 15:22:36 (permalink)
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Just wanted to share the answer from the support team on my card drawing 81 watts from the pcie.

"Hello,

Thank you for reaching out to us about your PCI-e slot. While the slot is speced for 75w, it can produce up to 90w without issue. When it starts to get to 95ish watts is when there is a problem. There isn't any need for an RMA at this point. If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out again.

Regards,
EVGA"

So no RMA for me I guess


How did you phrase it? Because if you just ask a question, they will tell you what their overlords told them (reduce the RMAs).

Get it in writing if they refuse to RMA your card. Get them to turn it down for being out of PCIE spec. You can then contact the better business bureau with a complaint. Or take them to small claims court - they won't show up, and the court will likely rule in your favor for a full refund which you can use to get another brand.

Edit, or heck - ask them if they'd like their responses sent to Gamer's Nexus to look at. They tore AMD up and down for their out of spec PCIE power draw RX480 - I'm sure they'd have no issue doing the same with EVGA.

Out of specification for a universal standard is out of specification. (Assuming stock VBIOS and no overclock - and no, I'm NOT talking about using the beta XOC VBIOS - there's a reason why it's beta after ~6 months)
post edited by arestavo - 2021/02/06 15:28:06
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/06 18:35:43 (permalink)
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Here is my best Result so far. On the left side is the new Card on the normal BIOS (XOC doesn´t give me more points, but more heat), on the right side the RMA´ed one on XOC. 


Ignore the CPU Score, as it´s an old CPU, that can barely count to 10 without crashing...





Those values Seems nice to me!
Im close enough to your values on stock bios too



But you might gain something from the XOC Bios. For me its (for now) a no.



Holy Bajesus! Thats a massive Core Clock
 


Thanks!
Max stable clocks are 2235-2250
At gaming im stable 2145-2175


Is it water cooled?! That's massive for a 3090, I reckon, considering 62 ºC is my air cooled OC'd with fans at 80%. Congrats!

Best I could do so far was undervolt mine to 0.850 mV 1935 MHz keeping it 52 ºC on air.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/06 19:02:25 (permalink)
Still waiting for my other gpus so i can rma this dang thing. 
 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 00:25:21 (permalink)
Thanks!
Max stable clocks are 2235-2250
At gaming im stable 2145-2175


Is it water cooled?! That's massive for a 3090, I reckon, considering 62 ºC is my air cooled OC'd with fans at 80%. Congrats!

Best I could do so far was undervolt mine to 0.850 mV 1935 MHz keeping it 52 ºC on air.


No isn't wc.Im at stock air cooler yet.
Next week im gonna repaste and see if i can lower a bit the temps.

2235 that i said its for bench only stable not for gaming.
I was ready to sell my card yesterday but i change my mind and i deside to waiting for the aio kit.
One friend of mine had one of the best ftw3 3090 on air .(he already sell it)
His chip was gold.was stable at 0.975 2115-2130 if i remember correctly.
And with another brand bios he have one of the best score at 3dmark pr and ts and other 3dmark benches
Example "15230 score port royal"on air

Your card is great too 1935 at 0.850 its very strong result
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 04:16:41 (permalink)
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Here is my best Result so far. On the left side is the new Card on the normal BIOS (XOC doesn´t give me more points, but more heat), on the right side the RMA´ed one on XOC. 


Ignore the CPU Score, as it´s an old CPU, that can barely count to 10 without crashing...





Those values Seems nice to me!
Im close enough to your values on stock bios too



But you might gain something from the XOC Bios. For me its (for now) a no.



Holy Bajesus! Thats a massive Core Clock
 


Thanks!
Max stable clocks are 2235-2250
At gaming im stable 2145-2175


Is it water cooled?! That's massive for a 3090, I reckon, considering 62 ºC is my air cooled OC'd with fans at 80%. Congrats!

Best I could do so far was undervolt mine to 0.850 mV 1935 MHz keeping it 52 ºC on air.



No, it's air-cooled. But it's winter over here. I opened all windows and cranked the fans to 100% (95% to be precise). Ambient for the benchmarks was 17°c.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 10:15:00 (permalink)
I have done benchmark of far cr 5 4k ultra+ hd texture with screen shoot of gpuz:
https://i.postimg.cc/mZ0tyhZ6/far-cry-5-4k-ultra-hd-texture.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/DwYV14nS/far-cry-5-bench.gif
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 12:11:13 (permalink)
What size of thermal pads do I need, if I want to put my card back to standard in case of warranty? 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 13:15:18 (permalink)
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What size of thermal pads do I need, if I want to put my card back to standard in case of warranty? 


Me too i want know this coz after put my card in the EK waterblock, i really dont know what was the original thermal pads coz some of those were like paste so we cant know that info.
Maybe we need ask evga for this.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 13:54:39 (permalink)
Hey guys, how is everyone doing with their OC clocks holding steady?
 
Recently waterblocked my 3090 FTW3 with the XOC Beta. Slider is +120 on the core, 119% power limit, yet clocks will still bounce around 2055-2080 on average. Sometimes it'll dip below 2000mhz. Temps are barely hitting 50c with the block.
 
I'm just trying to get some perspective and insight is all.
 
Thanks!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 14:40:31 (permalink)
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Hey guys, how is everyone doing with their OC clocks holding steady?
 
Recently waterblocked my 3090 FTW3 with the XOC Beta. Slider is +120 on the core, 119% power limit, yet clocks will still bounce around 2055-2080 on average. Sometimes it'll dip below 2000mhz. Temps are barely hitting 50c with the block.
 
I'm just trying to get some perspective and insight is all.
 
Thanks!


You are doing just fine, me its about the same unless you go with 1000w bios or 2x 8 pins bios then you will boost at 2085mhz-2115mhz.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 16:23:37 (permalink)
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Hey guys, how is everyone doing with their OC clocks holding steady?
 
Recently waterblocked my 3090 FTW3 with the XOC Beta. Slider is +120 on the core, 119% power limit, yet clocks will still bounce around 2055-2080 on average. Sometimes it'll dip below 2000mhz. Temps are barely hitting 50c with the block.
 
I'm just trying to get some perspective and insight is all.
 
Thanks!


Means you got a dud card like the other 50% of us here. It's probably only pulling 107% power draw max right?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 16:42:03 (permalink)
Zgapzy can you show some benchmark with ur card ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 17:14:27 (permalink)
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Zgapzy can you show some benchmark with ur card ?


Sorry mate i lost all my previous testing and benchmarking stuff when i formatted. I've stopped all this bull**** and accepted that my card will never be able to hit 500w on the XOC bios, i now run the XC3 bios and have managed a 14500 on PR
Highest i was able to achieve on the XOC bios was 14400 with very unrealistic ambient temps pulling around 420w max. 
Main thing i remember is that each bios did actually make a difference in PR.
 
XOC - 2015mhz 
XC3 - 2080mhz 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 17:28:31 (permalink)
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Zgapzy can you show some benchmark with ur card ?


Sorry mate i lost all my previous testing and benchmarking stuff when i formatted. I've stopped all this bull**** and accepted that my card will never be able to hit 500w on the XOC bios, i now run the XC3 bios and have managed a 14500 on PR
Highest i was able to achieve on the XOC bios was 14400 with very unrealistic ambient temps pulling around 420w max. 
Main thing i remember is that each bios did actually make a difference in PR.
 
XOC - 2015mhz 
XC3 - 2080mhz 


If i were you, i wont too worry about this coz all rtx-3090 perform around ur card. All this depend of ur cpu, memory and also overclocking from all the compoment, so i think ur card perform normal.
 
When you see guys show benchmark of 15k port royal even near 16k, coz they push on all compoment. Be sure if you put the 1000w bios you will gain again but is this worth it ? Yup look normal review of rtx-3090 on the web and you will see port royal test have 13 900 and when overclock 14 400 to 14 800 for the best chip.
Like me i have a port royal score of 15 074 but i push a lot on every compoment with a waterblock on my card. Dont think a dude will buy an rtx-3090 and will get 15 500 port royal out of the box i never saw this yet. A kingpin card score 15 300 in port royal !
 
Some never have been able to break 14 000 on port royal, so ur card is normal.
From 14 600 to 15 200 you cant really see difference when you game, and those score you saw its not for gaming its for a short bench that's it.
 
LN2 score 18 000 in port royal but its another thing. And they are less then 10 people do this on planet earth.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 17:29:44 (permalink)
Guys you really need to stop be sad coz you own the fastest card in the world lol. ENJOY ur card. At this price yeah anjoy it.
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 17:36:58 (permalink)
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Zgapzy can you show some benchmark with ur card ?


Sorry mate i lost all my previous testing and benchmarking stuff when i formatted. I've stopped all this bull**** and accepted that my card will never be able to hit 500w on the XOC bios, i now run the XC3 bios and have managed a 14500 on PR
Highest i was able to achieve on the XOC bios was 14400 with very unrealistic ambient temps pulling around 420w max. 
Main thing i remember is that each bios did actually make a difference in PR.
 
XOC - 2015mhz 
XC3 - 2080mhz 


If i were you, i wont too worry about this coz all rtx-3090 perform around ur card. All this depend of ur cpu, memory and also overclocking from all the compoment, so i think ur card perform normal.
 
When you see guys show benchmark of 15k port royal even near 16k, coz they push on all compoment. Be sure if you put the 1000w bios you will gain again but is this worth it ? Yup look normal review of rtx-3090 on the web and you will see port royal test have 13 900 and when overclock 14 400 to 14 800 for the best chip.
Like me i have a port royal score of 15 074 but i push a lot on every compoment with a waterblock on my card. Dont think a dude will buy an rtx-3090 and will get 15 500 port royal out of the box i never saw this yet. A kingpin card score 15 300 in port royal !
 
Some never have been able to break 14 000 on port royal, so ur card is normal.
From 14 600 to 15 200 you cant really see difference when you game, and those score you saw its not for gaming its for a short bench that's it.
 
LN2 score 18 000 in port royal but its another thing. And they are less then 10 people do this on planet earth.




I am very aware of all of what you have just said, the fact of the matter is my card like so many here does not perform on the XOC bios. I don't really care about PR scores but i do care that the card cannot reach 500w when Asus / Msi cards do on the EVGA XOC Bios. 
I shouldn't have to come on to a forum and start reflashing different card bios's onto my card to get it to perform. 
As i said i don't really care about benchmarks but at the end of the day some of these cards are bunk and EVGA has just turned a blind eye to it. 
My EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra got 13800 PR out of the box, my 3090 Eagle OC got a 13980 on the same setup. It was also $600aud cheaper. 
I spent countless hours trying to figure out why it wouldn't get over 420w even purchased a new PSU only to find out its just a poorly designed card. 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 17:38:12 (permalink)
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Guys you really need to stop be sad coz you own the fastest card in the world lol. ENJOY ur card. At this price yeah anjoy it.
 


If i had of known this series of EVGA was trash i would of just kept enjoying my Eagle OC 3090 that was much cheaper. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 17:47:11 (permalink)
Put the 1000w bios and you will reach 530w, just be a bit carefull and you will get a little bit more but at the end rtx-3090 is a rtx-3090. 
And the one who buy a kingpin card and score 14 957 what he must think ?
 
You wont get the perf of a rtx-4090 this is what it is. 
 
And more on this : i go on all forum and all have same performance, no one put a card inside is pc and got a 15k port royal like this, learn some skills at overcloking and you will be able to achieve what you want, its all we have done.
post edited by changboy - 2021/02/07 17:55:47
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 18:04:06 (permalink)
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Put the 1000w bios and you will reach 530w, just be a bit carefull and you will get a little bit more but at the end rtx-3090 is a rtx-3090. 

I don't want to risk frying my card to get it running at 500w, its pointless for what i do. 
 
changboy
And the one who buy a kingpin card and score 14 957 what he must think ?

Probably wishes he got a Strix with a waterblock. 
 
changboy
You wont get the perf of a rtx-4090 this is what it is.

I wasn't getting the perf of a high end 3090 either till i started messing around with bios's. I think you are missing my point here about the overall quality of this product. It's supposed to be an out the box solution to top teir gaming but in this case my card needed some tinkering and possibly a loss of warranty. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 18:07:39 (permalink)
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learn some skills at overcloking and you will be able to achieve what you want, its all we have done.




You seem to be missing everything i am saying?
Im going to also say you have been shafted with a defective EVGA card and are just ignorantly bliss about it. If you have to run the KP 1000w bios to get over 500w you have a crap card mate sorry to inform you. 
Either post your logs and benchmarks or please stop talking crap.
post edited by Zgapzy - 2021/02/07 18:09:45
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 18:16:04 (permalink)
I cant say its not the truth, yes you are right but EVGA bring what they prone is the 1800mhz boost out of the box and they never announce a 2000mhz out of the box but the card do it.
After this if all card performing near the same even you bought the cheapo one, its not about evga.
 
Each 2 years with new card its about the same thing, cheaper one performing near the expensive one, its never day and night. You got a nice rbg led too and quality fan i think hehehe.
 
About the power draw, its not all game will reach the same power, like the division 2 i see a high power board usage, but other game its really lower then every game draw different power from this card and its normal. Meybe battlefield too high power draw.
 
Who know before all card is tested and show them on the web wich one will be better then others. Me i got mine early and the result is the result.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/02/07 18:21:06 (permalink)
 Hey i forgot told you this : A guy on rtx-3090 forum bought the Asus rtx-3090 strix oc and cant get a score of 14 000 in port royal even after overclock it and he sell it on ebay. This is what it is.
 
 Not mean you will get a golden chip every time you buy an asus or any brand card.
 
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