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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 12:00:47
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 12:06:23
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Anyone who wants the best. Who would want a 6900? It’s fast but not the best and AMD didn’t really cover ray tracing which has me worried about this cards chances of ray racing doesn’t impress since I feel ray tracing is a good reason people would buy a 3090. For me the 3080 is close enough and offers great ray tracing performance.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 12:08:25
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I want one to go along with my 3090 instead of the 3080.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 12:11:12
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Why? $800 less for equal performance? I ask this as a 3080 FTW3 owner...
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 12:15:16
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The fact that they won't have an answer to DLSS at launch, and didn't show any ray-tracing comparisons, strongly suggests the 6900 will fall short in those respects. Either way, though, it's good to see AMD competing at the high end, and I hope they can continue to step it up so we see more competitive pricing in the future.
I'm still getting a 3090.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 12:46:40
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Lets be serious here, anyone that's willing to spend $1500 for marginal performance boost over a 3080, is not going to care about the 6900xt. I am also willing to bet that the 6900xt won't actually perform on the 3090's level. Would it be a better choice for sensible buyers? Yeah probably, but most that buy 3090 for gaming isn't a "sensible" buyer.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 12:58:09
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Still waiting for the kingpin myself. 
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 13:01:26
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Why? $800 less for equal performance? I ask this as a 3080 FTW3 owner...
Look at the notes for the presentation, the 6900 XT was using the rage mode auto overclocking and also a few other AMD features to boost its performance. I wonder how an overclocked 3090 will compare? Also the 6900 XT has about half the memory bandwidth of the 3090. How will that change the results in games where memory bandwidth is important? It will be interesting to see the independent benchmarks. I have no regrets on my 3090 purchase. I'm using it for things other than gaming where AMD GPUs have less support or no support or perform worse than Nvidia GPUs. I also can also actually use the extra 8 GB of VRAM the 3090 has.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 13:12:30
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The fact that they won't have an answer to DLSS at launch, and didn't show any ray-tracing comparisons, strongly suggests the 6900 will fall short in those respects. Either way, though, it's good to see AMD competing at the high end, and I hope they can continue to step it up so we see more competitive pricing in the future.
I'm still getting a 3090.
-Are you sure about that? When they were talking about the card they said they used 4k MAx settings?
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 13:22:35
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The fact that they won't have an answer to DLSS at launch, and didn't show any ray-tracing comparisons, strongly suggests the 6900 will fall short in those respects. Either way, though, it's good to see AMD competing at the high end, and I hope they can continue to step it up so we see more competitive pricing in the future.
I'm still getting a 3090.
-Are you sure about that? When they were talking about the card they said they used 4k MAx settings?
Yes we are sure that it wasn't running rtx lol. Amd also doesn't have deep learning cores so their answer to dlss is still uncertain. Raw performance isn't the metric this generation it's going to be visual quality of performance boosting features like dlss or super resolution or whatever amd has. It's going to be rtx performance running in addition to those performance boosting techs. I am by no means against amds offerings here. In fact I think with the reveal people who aren't already on a 30 series should wait and see what happens. I'm just saying that amd is still holding back on information to snatch up buyers before all the details are out. Something amd has going for them in the rtx space is that console games will be optimized for amd rt and that will likely translate to a lot of rtx games having identical rtx features on pc versions and not require the expected higher performance rtx cores nvidia is using. AMD has more RT cores than Nvidia has rtx cores, but the assumption is that nvidia's cores are superior.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 13:34:17
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Why? $800 less for equal performance? I ask this as a 3080 FTW3 owner...
Look at the notes for the presentation, the 6900 XT was using the rage mode auto overclocking and also a few other AMD features to boost its performance. I wonder how an overclocked 3090 will compare? Also the 6900 XT has about half the memory bandwidth of the 3090. How will that change the results in games where memory bandwidth is important? It will be interesting to see the independent benchmarks.
I have no regrets on my 3090 purchase. I'm using it for things other than gaming where AMD GPUs have less support or no support or perform worse than Nvidia GPUs. I also can also actually use the extra 8 GB of VRAM the 3090 has.
Rage mode isn't an overclock. Rage mode is similar to a power slider change, rather than a raw frequency uplift. You basically get longer and more sustained boost. The 128mb of cache is there to make up for the lower memory bus speed. Not saying a 3090 is bad though, it just may not be the best for non RT gaming anymore.... we will see. A lot depends on how well the 6900xt overclocks. I will say I don't see the 6900XT winning any port royal benchmarks though.....
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 13:39:17
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Still waiting for the kingpin myself.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 13:45:29
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Glad to see something that might actually be good coming out of AMD - competition is good, generally it only helps us consumers get more, better, faster, cheaper. In no way do I have regrets with my 3090, I pay for eye candy - to me that's next-gen, not raw FPS. I'd happily take 37FPS in maxed RDR2 OVER 240fps in RDR2 that looks like minecraft with washed out FX.
From what I read, people in a camp similar to mine will still greatly favor the Nvidia products.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 13:48:42
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Still waiting for the kingpin myself.
I don't want to rain poop on your parade - but asking as a 2080 Kingpin owner; you guys do realize the kingpin isn't any faster right? literally no difference
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 13:49:19
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Regret comes later. Ive decide to return the 3090. I can get an AMD 6900XT, x570 Motherboard and a Ryzen 9 5900x
All for the same price of a RTX 3090.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 13:58:59
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The fact that they won't have an answer to DLSS at launch, and didn't show any ray-tracing comparisons, strongly suggests the 6900 will fall short in those respects. Either way, though, it's good to see AMD competing at the high end, and I hope they can continue to step it up so we see more competitive pricing in the future.
I'm still getting a 3090.
My feelings also. They did mention briefly that they are using some kind of API that they worked with Microsoft on for Ray Tracing, but the fact that they left that out in benchmarks is interesting. Also, JaysTwoCents pointed out something, the benchmarks they presented, all include that special one-click overclock feature that only works if you have a new Ryzen 5000 series CPU https://youtu.be/oLZUDfT4iPs?t=801
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:06:07
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IMHO I would compare the 3080 FTW3 ULTRA against the 6900 XT. The price point is much closer at $810 vs $1000. Trying to compare something for $1000 against $1500 doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:16:14
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IMHO I would compare the 3080 FTW3 ULTRA against the 6900 XT. The price point is much closer at $810 vs $1000. Trying to compare something for $1000 against $1500 doesn't make sense to me.
It's about performance matchup, so 6900XT was designed to go head to head with the 3090. 6800XT is priced at $650, which matches up to the 3080 FE at $699. Your $810 price is for EVGA's card, not FE's MSRP which is the only thing AMD cares about.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:28:14
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Why? $800 less for equal performance? I ask this as a 3080 FTW3 owner...
Maybe, but I've been without a graphics card since I sold my 2080 Super FTW3 Ultra back in late August, and my 3090 FTW3 Ultra is arriving tomorrow via UPS. Plus, I have no idea what AMD's supply situation will look like when they launch the 6900xt in December. I can't wait any longer!!!! 
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:32:58
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Oh look ...another "I don't like how you spend your money" thread.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:33:18
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MatthewAMEL
Why? $800 less for equal performance? I ask this as a 3080 FTW3 owner...
Maybe, but I've been without a graphics card since I sold my 2080 Super FTW3 Ultra back in late August, and my 3090 FTW3 Ultra is arriving tomorrow via UPS. Plus, I have no idea what AMD's supply situation will look like when they launch the 6900xt in December.
I can't wait any longer!!!!
I certainly get that. I think if I hadn't gotten mine yesterday, I would have waited for a 6900XT. What I do know is that I am currently playing Watch_Dogs 2 with literally every setting but motion blur turned to the absolute max, and I have room to spare. Using 9GB or so VRAM, GPU is sitting with more to give. It looks amazing. RDR2 is really nice, but not maxed. I doubt you'll be disappointed overall. The price does sting a bit, not being able to fully max RDR2. transdogmifier
Oh look ...another "I don't like how you spend your money" thread.
I don't like how you spent your money.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:33:48
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Regret comes later. Ive decide to return the 3090. I can get an AMD 6900XT, x570 Motherboard and a Ryzen 9 5900x
All for the same price of a RTX 3090.
Hmmm.. Interesting thought. It makes sense. But the question is can you wait that long? I think we will likely see the same supply issues as the RTX cards.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:37:31
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It's about performance matchup, so 6900XT was designed to go head to head with the 3090. 6800XT is priced at $650, which matches up to the 3080 FE at $699. Your $810 price is for EVGA's card, not FE's MSRP which is the only thing AMD cares about.
I don't think the general public has any interest in what AMD cares about. I believe if AMD thought the 6900XT could compete with the 3090 they would have priced it a bit higher. I think many AIB 3080 purchasers would spend the $200 extra to buy a 6900XT if they had the choice. At the rate of the drops of the 3080 they may be forced to the 6900XT.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:39:18
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Splash87
Regret comes later. Ive decide to return the 3090. I can get an AMD 6900XT, x570 Motherboard and a Ryzen 9 5900x
All for the same price of a RTX 3090.
Hmmm.. Interesting thought. It makes sense. But the question is can you wait that long? I think we will likely see the same supply issues as the RTX cards.
Why? AMD is using TSMC without yield problems. I'd bet we're gonna see some really nice graphics war bundles coming. The 3090 is very nice, but if they'd have launched it at $1300 not $1500, and almost $2000 out the door.. I wouldn't be sitting here considering a return like others. $1888 when the 6900XT got confirmed at $999 stings. DLSS support seems sparse right now and the only thing I know has allowed me to use RTX is the Quake II demo.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:43:23
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IMHO I would compare the 3080 FTW3 ULTRA against the 6900 XT. The price point is much closer at $810 vs $1000. Trying to compare something for $1000 against $1500 doesn't make sense to me.
6800XT AIB cards will probably be above msrp also with slightly higher clocks.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:46:51
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Still waiting for the kingpin myself.
I don't want to rain poop on your parade - but asking as a 2080 Kingpin owner; you guys do realize the kingpin isn't any faster right? literally no difference
Larger rad = better and sustained boost The temps on the 120 rad (push/pull) on my 2080ti ftw3 hyrbid would be better if I had the kingpin (or larger) rad. also afaik the kingpin in the only card coming with the 360 rad (as well as different bios)
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:48:17
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rain2_usa
It's about performance matchup, so 6900XT was designed to go head to head with the 3090. 6800XT is priced at $650, which matches up to the 3080 FE at $699. Your $810 price is for EVGA's card, not FE's MSRP which is the only thing AMD cares about.
I don't think the general public has any interest in what AMD cares about. I believe if AMD thought the 6900XT could compete with the 3090 they would have priced it a bit higher.
I think many AIB 3080 purchasers would spend the $200 extra to buy a 6900XT if they had the choice. At the rate of the drops of the 3080 they may be forced to the 6900XT.
Your argument was to compare the AIB EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3080 to AMD's own 6900XT just because of price. I mean, if you're in the market for EVGA's card, then yeah, I guess an extra $200 is a small jump to get 3090 Performance level with the 6900XT but none of the AIB cards for the 6000 series has been revealed yet. I'm sure the NDA will be lifted tomorrow and we'll see what's available to make further comparisons.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:50:29
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Splash87
Regret comes later. Ive decide to return the 3090. I can get an AMD 6900XT, x570 Motherboard and a Ryzen 9 5900x
All for the same price of a RTX 3090.
Hmmm.. Interesting thought. It makes sense. But the question is can you wait that long? I think we will likely see the same supply issues as the RTX cards.
I suppose it will be a project that may take some time and I expect big supply issues, however I am confident that the wait will be worth it. It allows me to also upgrade my CPU (currently i7 7700k) without additional cost.
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