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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/31 22:08:20
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I’ll buy the 3090 ftw3 ultra either way because from what has been shown the amd stuff won’t Handel the raytracing that games like cyberpunk2077 will have in droves and require cards having the extra horsepower to run. The 6900xt looks great if all you want is something on par with 3090 but won’t have all the features. Plus for me I like evga I wanted to buy another evga card. I’m also using their power supply 1000 p2, so for me it’s not a price I’m worried about its what I want. If you are worried about price then get what you want and enjoy it without trying to force your views on others about how the thing you want that costs less is almost better then what somebody else bough that they wanted. All this I’m a fanboy for this and that has become super annoying this year.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/31 23:23:46
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NexusSix It's like nvidia stockholm syndrome in this thread.
I could say the same for the AMD battered person Syndrome crap going on. I saw them bring up Freesync and then start talking about Rage mode.... and i got a little worried. Why talk about a product as flakey as Freesync then go into talking about rage mode? Makes me worry rage mode will be buggy and flakey like Freesync when it comes out.
Of COURSE you should wait for reviews to make up your mind, but JUST based on preliminary numbers, the price to performance makes the 3090 look like hot garbage. $1100 to step up from a 3080 to a 3090 FTW3 Ultra or $200 to get a 6900XT hmmm tough decision.
that makes perfect sense if you are a price per performance kind of person... I'm not, I'm a raw power kind of person. and seeing how the 3090 and the 6900XT are 2 different beasts in terms of raw power. (especially in workstation tasks/3d content creation.) i only have to go off how well the radeon VII performed against other gpu's in such applications.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/01 00:43:32
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you know what i havent seen mentioned... ppl are saying the 6900 is better... when you add the new motherboard and cpu to the mix... (here in aus tahts a $1500+ investment) but... and here is the one that hasnt been mentioned.. if you have been Team Green for a bit you have a G-Sync monitor.... which wont work with a 6900.... so best go buy a new monitor too.... and a new high refresh rate 1440p or 4k monitor thats not trash with freesync? whats the $$ on that purchase
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/01 02:30:50
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ausyenlowang you know what i havent seen mentioned... ppl are saying the 6900 is better... when you add the new motherboard and cpu to the mix... (here in aus tahts a $1500+ investment) but... and here is the one that hasnt been mentioned.. if you have been Team Green for a bit you have a G-Sync monitor.... which wont work with a 6900.... so best go buy a new monitor too.... and a new high refresh rate 1440p or 4k monitor thats not trash with freesync? whats the $$ on that purchase
Good point.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/01 04:38:25
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This is going to be a tough decision for me. I was planning to go 100% 3090 but now I am not sure. New benchmarks are coming out that AMD is actually performing close to Nvidia with Ray Tracing at 4K with no DLSS. If AMD managers to get out a competitive version of DLSS than that would negate almost any competitive advantage of an Nvidia card. Plus AMD seems to have headroom to overclock unlike Nvidia 3000 series. I have a 48 LG CX as a monitor and looking for the best card as possible, but if AMD can get very close to Nvidia then saving ~$700+ (Ultra/Hydro version) would be fantastic.
Also, pairing it up with Zen 3 can boost the performance even more which is awesome. The rumors that Nvidia might be redoing their lineup might be true, because right now, it just doesn’t make any sense vs AMD. I’m going to be patiently waiting for reviews to make my decision.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/01 04:41:14
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I hear ya, as I continue this ridiculous wait for my turn to have an opportunity to order the 3090 card I want I continue to turn my eyes toward that 6900 XT more and more. Will see how long it takes before I can even get the 3090 FTW3 Ultra.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/01 05:01:44
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Thing that people need to keep in mind with the numbers showing for the 6900XT, it was using both of the "advantages" it has with AMD setups... not saying it's not a great card, but still. One of the reasons I'm seriously considering a 6900XT build, possibly, is if Crossfire is still supported. I would love to go multi-GPU & going 2 3090s is not feasible especially given NVidia has said support will basically be non-existent. Call me crazy, but I loved playing with SLi/Crossfire over several generations. My first SLi setup was 8800GTXs, then 9600GTs, then 9800GX2s in Quad SLi, and on up througgh 4-way SLi with GTX 580s, and I had SLi Titan Xp's as well. I've also ran QuadFire with R9 290s & R9 295x2s. It was insane when it actually scaled properly. Especially if they make a dual-GPU-single-card version of the 6900XT, with a liquid loop on it like the R9 295x2 had, shut up & take my money.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/01 05:02:56
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Dabadger84 Thing that people need to keep in mind with the numbers showing for the 6900XT, it was using both of the "advantages" it has with AMD setups... not saying it's not a great card, but still. One of the reasons I'm seriously considering a 6900XT build, possibly, is if Crossfire is still supported. I would love to go multi-GPU & going 2 3090s is not feasible especially given NVidia has said support will basically be non-existent. Call me crazy, but I loved playing with SLi/Crossfire over several generations. My first SLi setup was 8800GTXs, then 9600GTs, then 9800GX2s in Quad SLi, and on up througgh 4-way SLi with GTX 580s, and I had SLi Titan Xp's as well. I've also ran QuadFire with R9 290s & R9 295x2s. It was insane when it actually scaled properly. Especially if they make a dual-GPU-single-card version of the 6900XT, with a liquid loop on it like the R9 295x2 had, shut up & take my money.
my understanding is they dropped crossfire long ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/cbpy19/radeon_5700xt_crossfire/ yep its long gone pre 5700xt
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/01 05:09:06
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ausyenlowang my understanding is they dropped crossfire long ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/cbpy19/radeon_5700xt_crossfire/ yep its long gone pre 5700xt
Multi GPU still works in DX12 & Vulkan, same difference, if it wurx I'll chirps. If it doesn't work, I'll probably stick with NVidia... which means I'll be waiting until someone tests it thoroughly after the 6900XT is out before I even look at making the switch. I am planning to go 5000-series Threadripper, whenever that comes out, so I'd be able to "take advantage" of SAM mode etc.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 03:19:17
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I'm curious about rage mode. Is this just going to be another name for super loud fan mode? I feel like in the end we're going to have to see how these cards perform overclock for overclock.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 04:40:27
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rougeau I'm curious about rage mode. Is this just going to be another name for super loud fan mode? I feel like in the end we're going to have to see how these cards perform overclock for overclock.
No, it's a way of giving AMD cards special access to 5xxx series AMD processors (etc) on 5xx series motherboards. It's clear the Ray Tracing will 1) be worse than nVidia and 2) be EXACTLY the ray tracing every game is aimed at from now on, because it's the ray tracing that is on the consoles. It really looks like AMD was NOT expecting to win against nVidia, and at the last moment they realized how BAD the 3090 was and how OVER PRICED it is; and said "there's a huge opportunity in the market, let's make something to fill the gap!" Also, there's a lot of mindshare that goes along with having the best card; it makes every card down the stack look better. Just look at how the majority of cards sold are the nVidia x600 series cards; which are routinely beat by AMD at the same price, but which routinely outsell AMD because of the x800 series cards winning. for me: I'm getting a G2 headset and need the fastest regular frames so I can run Flight Simulator in VR. Money (at this level) hardly matters (except I refuse to buy from a scalper) That's why my target is a 6900xt. I'm very disappointed EVGA doesn't do AMD motherboards and AIBs.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 04:56:07
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I think in a way it's like a car buyer looking at the Bugatti Chiron and going well I could buy a corvette and still be able to go fast enough. People looking at a 3090 want the best performance possible.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 05:02:47
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rougeau I'm curious about rage mode. Is this just going to be another name for super loud fan mode? I feel like in the end we're going to have to see how these cards perform overclock for overclock.
for me: I'm getting a G2 headset and need the fastest regular frames so I can run Flight Simulator in VR.
Cool your a flight simmer too! I have a Reverb now and was one of the early pre-order for the G2, I think it's coming sometime this month. Are you in the beta VR program that starts tomorrow? I got accepted a few days ago.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 06:01:38
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rougeau I'm curious about rage mode. Is this just going to be another name for super loud fan mode? I feel like in the end we're going to have to see how these cards perform overclock for overclock.
No, it's a way of giving AMD cards special access to 5xxx series AMD processors (etc) on 5xx series motherboards.
So I was just watching a GN video, I think that only applies to Smart access memory. Could be wrong but I think rage mode is available with the card and doesn't need an AMD processor/mobo. Apparently rage mode is only good for up to 2% increase frame rate. All it is, is a power target adjustment. However smart access memory looks to be good for up to a 10% increase but I guess we'll have to wait for the reviews to iron those details out on it.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 06:10:33
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HawkOculus No mention at all of ray tracing performance and nothing about a DLSS equivalent. Not only that, but all of their data was gathered from a system using their newest CPUs.
Even with the lower price, AMD’s software and driver support is an absolute dumpster fire. I’ll be holding out for my 3090, thank you.
The new AMD cards will now be just as heavily scalped as the Nvidia launch. At least I fully expect that to happen. Maybe then stock will finally start to even out a bit. But then again, probably not.
I second the driver issue. Their hw may be good but their drivers have always been trash. I had nothing but issues with them, once I switched to nvidia no big problems (not perfect but better than amd). My friends still keep buying amd cards because in my home country nvidia cards are super expensive, and are always complaining of bugs, issues etc, every driver update is they fix 5 things and break other 20. I keep telling them save for a while and buy nvidia and forget the problems.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 06:36:52
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ausyenlowang you know what i havent seen mentioned... ppl are saying the 6900 is better... when you add the new motherboard and cpu to the mix... (here in aus tahts a $1500+ investment) but... and here is the one that hasnt been mentioned.. if you have been Team Green for a bit you have a G-Sync monitor.... which wont work with a 6900.... so best go buy a new monitor too.... and a new high refresh rate 1440p or 4k monitor thats not trash with freesync? whats the $$ on that purchase
Good point.
Not really. You'd have a G-Sync monitor to sell; which costs extra $$ compared to a Freesync. So even if you sell the monitor at a lower price; you can replace it much cheaper with the Freesync alternative.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 06:37:08
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Smart access - thats the increased frame buffer size right? 256 meg, iirc. From what I've read, that is something that Microsoft is working on as well, and Nvidia will take advantage of it sometime in the future. Obviously, that's something that Nvidia could possibly segment with their drivers for new hardware only, but supposedly it's something that all cards could use in the near-ish future.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 07:24:37
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ausyenlowang you know what i havent seen mentioned... ppl are saying the 6900 is better... when you add the new motherboard and cpu to the mix... (here in aus tahts a $1500+ investment) but... and here is the one that hasnt been mentioned.. if you have been Team Green for a bit you have a G-Sync monitor.... which wont work with a 6900.... so best go buy a new monitor too.... and a new high refresh rate 1440p or 4k monitor thats not trash with freesync? whats the $$ on that purchase
Good point.
Not really. You'd have a G-Sync monitor to sell; which costs extra $$ compared to a Freesync. So even if you sell the monitor at a lower price; you can replace it much cheaper with the Freesync alternative.
the point is a "much cheaper freesync alternative" tends to be trash. freesync isnt made at the same quality levels of Gsync. so youd also need a premium Freesync monitor which guess what? still costs a total packet also you then have the hassle of selling your old monitor/monitors and then replacing them. more money lost. so by that math, sell my $700 gaming monitors for $400 bucks, then spend $600 per monitor on new Freesync ones. (i lose 200 on purchase price and then still need to spend another 200 per monitor) lets go cheap and say i replace 2 of my 4... thats 500 bucks per monitor lost. so $1000 to "update" 2 monitors, and then.. $1000aud for a 5900 cpu, then what $400 aud for an X570 Mobo... then i dont even want to guess how hard we will get slapped for the $1k usd gpu. say 1700+ total bill 4100..... to swap gpu? nope im a thousand bucks better off or 1500 if i get a nvidia one jsut sticking with nvidia..
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 08:22:52
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I love how so many people automatically assume and make statements about a product being inferior/better WITHOUT any 3rd party reviews and the card even in anyone's hands yet. Personally I am impressed by what AMD has done in the past couples years with Ryzen and I wouldn't be surprised if they are finally catching up to NVIDIA. The big factor I think will be driver support, which has always lacked with AMD compared to NVIDIA, if they can improve that then we will have some great competition. Simple fact is some people will buy "just because" its Intel or NVIDIA, nothing to do even with performance, which personally I think its ridiculous but that's my opinion. I am just someone who likes to do my research before I buy a product, I don't blindly purchase something until I know my options.
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2020/11/02 08:39:00
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raidflex I love how so many people automatically assume and make statements about a product being inferior/better WITHOUT any 3rd party reviews and the card even in anyone's hands yet. Personally I am impressed by what AMD has done in the past couples years with Ryzen and I wouldn't be surprised if they are finally catching up to NVIDIA. The big factor I think will be driver support, which has always lacked with AMD compared to NVIDIA, if they can improve that then we will have some great competition. Simple fact is some people will buy "just because" its Intel or NVIDIA, nothing to do even with performance, which personally I think its ridiculous but that's my opinion. I am just someone who likes to do my research before I buy a product, I don't blindly purchase something until I know my options.
I'm impressed with what AMD is done as well. I think very very few people fall in the just because category. There are so many other things to consider besides price and performance. You also don't have any idea what a person's experiences are with one brand or another that might make them feel more confident about a purchase. This isn't only with AMD vs Nvidia but also with the aib partners. I'll tell you personally for me the fact that EVGA doesn't carry AMD is a minor concern for me. EVGA warranty is a big seller for me. However I am very interested in a all red Asus build and I wouldn't take that off the table in the future but in the near future I'm sticking with the evga 3090.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 08:44:30
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rougeau I'm curious about rage mode. Is this just going to be another name for super loud fan mode? I feel like in the end we're going to have to see how these cards perform overclock for overclock.
No, it's a way of giving AMD cards special access to 5xxx series AMD processors (etc) on 5xx series motherboards.
So I was just watching a GN video, I think that only applies to Smart access memory. Could be wrong but I think rage mode is available with the card and doesn't need an AMD processor/mobo.
Apparently rage mode is only good for up to 2% increase frame rate. All it is, is a power target adjustment. However smart access memory looks to be good for up to a 10% increase but I guess we'll have to wait for the reviews to iron those details out on it.
AMD website shows up to 11% increase and if you actually do the math with all their benchmarks it looks like the Rage mode is only good for 1 - 2% and all the rest is the SAM. https://www.amd.com/en/te...es/smart-access-memory
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/11/02 08:48:15
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once the cards go out to reviewers, we will have the answer. Personally, I was firmly in the 3080 camp... but 200 bucks to hop up to near 3090 specs is going to be a hard upgrade to pass up.
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2020/11/02 09:13:36
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I buy the card that I can buy first. I build a new PC anticipating the 3090. As no one actually can buy one, the PC will sit unused until 2021? I buy the 6900 immediately if I can get one. Nvidia panicked out as AMD has caught up and wanted to make the first splash. Now Samsung can't deliver the silicon. Actually, I really don't want to have anything to do with Nvidia for ****ting all over me. I may have dodged the bullet there if AMD can deliver.
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2020/11/02 09:20:35
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Emparus I buy the card that I can buy first. I build a new PC anticipating the 3090. As no one actually can buy one, the PC will sit unused until 2021? I buy the 6900 immediately if I can get one. Nvidia panicked out as AMD has caught up and wanted to make the first splash. Now Samsung can't deliver the silicon. Actually, I really don't want to have anything to do with Nvidia for ****ting all over me. I may have dodged the bullet there if AMD can deliver.
This is why I always wait to buy all of the components until I know I can get them. PC parts only get cheaper as time goes on, so it usually pays off to wait in these cases and get the GPU first and then purchase the rest of the parts that are readily available.
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2020/11/02 09:59:22
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Then I never will be able to build anything current. But unusual times. Normally, I get all I need together in a week or so and build in a day. Now even the neopren tubing I like is on backorder for weeks. 10900k scalpted up to $800 etc etc. But the rtx 30 debacle is on a different level.
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2020/11/02 12:21:18
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rougeau I'm curious about rage mode. Is this just going to be another name for super loud fan mode? I feel like in the end we're going to have to see how these cards perform overclock for overclock.
No, it's a way of giving AMD cards special access to 5xxx series AMD processors (etc) on 5xx series motherboards.
So I was just watching a GN video, I think that only applies to Smart access memory. Could be wrong but I think rage mode is available with the card and doesn't need an AMD processor/mobo.
Apparently rage mode is only good for up to 2% increase frame rate. All it is, is a power target adjustment. However smart access memory looks to be good for up to a 10% increase but I guess we'll have to wait for the reviews to iron those details out on it.
AMD website shows up to 11% increase and if you actually do the math with all their benchmarks it looks like the Rage mode is only good for 1 - 2% and all the rest is the SAM. https://www.amd.com/en/te...es/smart-access-memory
If I remember correctly, in the announcement they mentioned that those figures are prior to the software being worked out. I don't remember the exact words, but the promise was that this would improve over time. Of course we can't know how much, but considering the rumors of OC headroom and special tweaks like SAM and Rage Mode, and considering the benchmarks that show the 6900XT trading blows with the 3090...it's by no means obvious that people who just want "the best" should buy the 3090. At least, not for gaming. For other workloads, obviously the 24GB of GDDR6x can't be matched by the 16GB of GDDR6 in the AMD lineup. A word on drivers too: Steve Burke reiterated that everyone in AMD has been focused on drivers this time around. Moore's Law is Dead channel said that heads rolled, people were fired/reorganized after the driver problems last time. I'm not usually inclined to immediately believe what he says, but since it supports what Steve already said, I am willing to be hopeful that it's true. And I know from personal experience that AMD can do good drivers- I had a 7970 for years, and the "fine wine" effect was real. I never had a single problem with instability or incompatibility. The 980 Ti I have now has also been pretty free from problems, although I have had a few.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
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I did the step up from a 2080 ti to the 3090. When I saw the AMD stuff it made me at first think twice and considered selling it when I get it. I even have an AMD CPU and plan to upgrade to the newer version when they come out. I used to do AMD GPU but I thought the drivers were subpar and most importantly the RMA service sucked!! I came back to evga literally because of the community and their warranty service. That to me is worth something. Also I am not buying the 3090 because I don't have the money!!
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