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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 14:52:44
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I think the 6900XT is a pretty reasonable gaming proposition. If you are only gaming, it makes a lot more sense than the 3090, purely from a financial perspective. And no, I'm not telling people how to spend their money. I am just saying it's strictly a fact that A is a more efficient buy vs. B when A has 95% or more of what B does, when B is 50%+ more money than A. Naturally, will have to wait for real benchmarks and comparisons to say whether the 6900XT is really that close to the 3090. Personally, I am not hugely impressed with ray tracing to begin with, but I will be interested to see how DLSS develops vs. the competing implementation it sounds like AMD is going to use (which we will get more details on later). If the prices were closer there would be more people willing to spend more for a "better" experience with Nvidia, but with the very significant price difference the number of people willing to pay it will be smaller. (Again, disclaimer, I am not saying that any one person should or should not buy a specific card.)
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 16:00:06
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I need more consistency from AMD to start buying their gfx cards just like I needed it for their CPUs. I was impressed with Zen and Zen+ and felt they were competitive. When Zen2 launched I picked up a 3600x for a second system. The rig runs fantastic and I can't tell the difference between the 9900K and 3600x systems (They both have 1080 Ti). If the Ryzen 5800x or 5900x offer decent gains over my 9900K then AMD will take over as the main rig.
As far as gfx cards, RDNA2 looks good and competitive so maybe I'll bite when RDNA3 is released.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 16:05:17
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Lets wait for reviews to see how these both trade bouts but it's looking good for us consumers.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 16:12:20
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Lets wait for reviews to see how these both trade bouts but it's looking good for us consumers.
Yep, even if it's not as good as a 3090, it's good for everyone overall. Look what Ryzen made intel do with core count.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 17:23:54
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Who still wants a 3090?
For gaming both are very high for very little gain in games. One step down in both would be the much better comparison
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 17:40:00
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To kind of sum up the games used by AMD for benchmarks it’s the games we saw NVIDIA run on the 3090 at 8K. Now we know the 3090 isn’t a 8K gaming card when more games got tested I think it’s safe to say these games are not really a good indicator of 3090 vs 6900 as they run very well on anything which is why we saw 8K shown off.
Now I am fully ready to be impressed but it needs to be reviewers and multiple for me to get excited. AMD released numbers shouldn’t be trusted just as I wouldn’t trust the numbers from NVIDIA without independent reviewers and multiple of them.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/28 23:19:13
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My feelings also.
They did mention briefly that they are using some kind of API that they worked with Microsoft on for Ray Tracing, but the fact that they left that out in benchmarks is interesting.
Also, JaysTwoCents pointed out something, the benchmarks they presented, all include that special one-click overclock feature that only works if you have a new Ryzen 5000 series CPU
https://youtu.be/oLZUDfT4iPs?t=801
Had AMD advertised their 6700 and 6800 with the AMD-only features, that would be a problem since those cards are more mainstream, and will be used in Intel and AMD (pre-5000). Personally, I don't see the issue with showing off the 6900 XT with a 5000-series Ryzen, especially since that combo provides additional features that we weren't even aware of. All it does is make anyone who's building a new high-end system pause to see if they should get an RTX 3090 or a 6900 XT. Moreso since all indications are that the 5950X will dethrone Intel in gaming. The King is dead, long live the King.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 02:51:43
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 02:59:39
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No mention at all of ray tracing performance and nothing about a DLSS equivalent. Not only that, but all of their data was gathered from a system using their newest CPUs.
Even with the lower price, AMD’s software and driver support is an absolute dumpster fire. I’ll be holding out for my 3090, thank you.
The new AMD cards will now be just as heavily scalped as the Nvidia launch. At least I fully expect that to happen. Maybe then stock will finally start to even out a bit. But then again, probably not.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 04:05:39
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There have been three points in time where I felt compelled by ATI/AMD offerings and may another one.
Radeon X850 XT PE in 2005
Radeon 4890 in 2009
Radeon 7970 Ghz in 2012
It's been 8 years since we've had something that competed directly on performance with the high end Nvidia cards. Glad to see that AMD has dug themselves out of the basement.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 05:44:56
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No mention at all of ray tracing performance and nothing about a DLSS equivalent. Not only that, but all of their data was gathered from a system using their newest CPUs.
Even with the lower price, AMD’s software and driver support is an absolute dumpster fire. I’ll be holding out for my 3090, thank you.
The new AMD cards will now be just as heavily scalped as the Nvidia launch. At least I fully expect that to happen. Maybe then stock will finally start to even out a bit. But then again, probably not.
Ooff someone is heavily invested in one brand. Your argument of them using one of their own new CPU’s in combination of their new GPU and SMART functionality is flawed too. Their new Ryzen 9 5900x in combination with their flagship 6900XT will still cost you less then a single RTX 3090 AMD has been improving hard, and regarding stock, have you noticed how 3080’s are popping up all over the place like mushrooms since the AMD announcement? Not to mention that AMD and TSMC seem to have no production or yield issues, unlike Scalpvidia.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 06:50:18
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Hopefully AMD and Nvidia can continue to push each other. That will drive performance up and prices down. I could care less what company I buy from.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 11:13:31
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Still waiting for KPE
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 11:19:13
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keep in mind the 1440p benchmarks that AMD presented was in RAGE MODE which is essentially in overclocked mode... aka more power draw and then comparing overclocked AMD card to stock 3090... Then to make things worse they are comparing it with their cpu+mobo combo which apparently add performance.
Why not compare at 4k? scared your cpu cant carry you like it does in 1440p?
Why not compare stock for stock? why brag about 300watt power but then show only rage mode results....
I think the real reviews will put this back into perspective and tell the real story
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 11:27:23
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keep in mind the 1440p benchmarks that AMD presented was in RAGE MODE which is essentially in overclocked mode... aka more power draw and then comparing overclocked AMD card to stock 3090... Then to make things worse they are comparing it with their cpu+mobo combo which apparently add performance.
Why not compare at 4k? scared your cpu cant carry you like it does in 1440p?
Why not compare stock for stock? why brag about 300watt power but then show only rage mode results....
I think the real reviews will put this back into perspective and tell the real story
Nail, head. With that said - competition is ALWAYS good for the consumer. It breeds innovation and a reduction in prices (which is why I have a 10940X instead of an AMD chip). And I kinda am a Nvidia / Intel fan boy (last AMD card was a pair of 7990s that I had to send back because they didn't work with my high end Dell DVI monitors, and CPU was the 8350 that I'm currently waiting on the class action reimbursement to go through).
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 12:51:47
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I'll take Intel/Nvidia stability over AMD if the performance difference is only a little bit less. Every time in the past when I've tried AMD CPU/Chipsets or Radeon cards I had stability issues.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 14:34:23
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AMD showed a non Rage Mode comparison between the 3080 and 6800XT at 4K and 1440p and won at several game in just pure rasterization. The 6800 vs 2080ti comparison used the smart memory access and the 6900xt vs 3090 showed the smart memory and Rage Mode activated. You would be crazy not to use an AMD CPU at this point so these features are essentially a given for many 6000 series users and shouldn't be overlooked.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 14:39:23
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AMD showed a non Rage Mode comparison between the 3080 and 6800XT at 4K and 1440p and won at several game in just pure rasterization. The 6800 vs 2080ti comparison used the smart memory access and the 6900xt vs 3090 showed the smart memory and Rage Mode activated. You would be crazy not to use an AMD CPU at this point so these features are essentially a given for many 6000 series users and shouldn't be overlooked.
thats not with any amd cpu they want you to buy the new one with a new mobo to boot Thats no small ask, they are basically asking you to build from scratch a new pc
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 14:40:17
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How, in two pages of posts, has NO ONE mentioned the biggest reason to get a 3090 over a 6900XT?!! The memory! The 3090's 24GB GDDR6X is a significant improvement over the 6900XT's 16GB GDDR6. Maybe not necessary for gaming, but if you're doing anything else with your GPU, then the 3090 is the way to go if you can afford it.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 17:15:35
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Still waiting for the kingpin myself. 
Me too!!!
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 17:22:59
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Still waiting for the kingpin myself.
I don't want to rain poop on your parade - but asking as a 2080 Kingpin owner; you guys do realize the kingpin isn't any faster right? literally no difference
Personally, I have found the Kingpin to be faster. And you can push it further than other cards.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 17:39:43
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 17:53:07
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Just got my 3080 order in but I'll definitely be watching reviews for the 6900XT paired with a 5900X.
If it does well, might tempt me to upgrade from the 3900X that I planned to stick with til DDR5...
If anything, it just means AMD will continue to close the gap (hopefully sooner than later). They go with open standards rather than proprietary stuff which is always a good thing. Haven't seen Ray Tracing first hand but I feel like it's a nice to have but would eventually turn it off for better FPS since Ray Tracing might be minor details that you zone out when playing games after a point.
And if consoles are introducing more ray tracing and other types of features, wouldn't they be utilizing AMD's approach to it which would help with optimization for AMD's Ray Tracing?
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 18:03:31
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Just got my 3080 order in but I'll definitely be watching reviews for the 6900XT paired with a 5900X.
If it does well, might tempt me to upgrade from the 3900X that I planned to stick with til DDR5...
If anything, it just means AMD will continue to close the gap (hopefully sooner than later). They go with open standards rather than proprietary stuff which is always a good thing. Haven't seen Ray Tracing first hand but I feel like it's a nice to have but would eventually turn it off for better FPS since Ray Tracing might be minor details that you zone out when playing games after a point.
And if consoles are introducing more ray tracing and other types of features, wouldn't they be utilizing AMD's approach to it which would help with optimization for AMD's Ray Tracing?
Same here. I plan to pick up a 3080 (if I ever can....) and then keep an eye on the 6900XT. Having most big games built with consoles in mind is a pretty big feather in AMD's cap, if the tech on their components are similar.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 18:09:06
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You need to read between the lines.
They are comparing the 6900XT at its complete best use case.
Rage mode (auto overclocked maxed power limit)
SAM (Custom sized PCI-E packets) (WDMM 2.9 basically will do the same for all cards when its released next year)
Against a 3090 limited to 350W. (350W completely gimps 3090s you pick up 10% more performance just going to 400W and another 5% going to 450W before even touching overclocks).
But either way good marketing from them, Lock you into buying a complete AMD system to get the lowest model 3090 performance.
Save $500 on the GPU. Then spend a extra 1K on CPU/Mobo combo.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 18:10:41
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On the one hand, I was quite impressed by the announcement yesterday. It's always nice to see competition that benefits us, the consumers. On the other hand, I'm ready to call shenanigans on the huge increase of 3080 cards that have been notified today (per the spreadsheet), conveniently the day after that announcement and the same day as 3070 launch. An interesting coincidence....
Then again, it didn't stop me from purchasing my 3080 this afternoon immediately upon getting the email lol. Can't look too far into these. You're going to be set for a while either way with Nvidia or AMD, and I'd still consider stepping up to 3090 eventually :D
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 18:18:19
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I think the 3090 is still the better overall card. But I think RDNA2 is moving toward the right direction, just being in the same league as the 3090 is a great achievement. Competition is always good for consumers. And if this trend continue, after my 3090, my next card my be rdna 3 😄.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 20:53:23
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AMD has been improving hard, and regarding stock, have you noticed how 3080’s are popping up all over the place like mushrooms since the AMD announcement? Not to mention that AMD and TSMC seem to have no production or yield issues, unlike Scalpvidia.
ummm....3080s have been popping up all over the place like mushrooms? ...>.> <.< where?
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 21:51:33
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Rage mode isn't an overclock.
Rage mode is similar to a power slider change, rather than a raw frequency uplift. You basically get longer and more sustained boost.
AMD called rage mode a "One click overclock" during their presentation. Either way its not 100% stock vs stock in their comparison. Its a raised power limit and auto overclock (according to info from AMD)vs 100% stock power limit and clocks. Also it had the enhancements only available on the 5000 series CPUs to put its performance in the best light. What if people don't have the money to upgrade their CPU or CPU and motherboard? What if you factor in the cost of the new CPU and motherboard to get the claimed performance? Then the price is about the same as someone who can just drop in a 3090 without a CPU and motherboard upgrade.
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Re: 3090 vs 6900
2020/10/29 21:53:28
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How, in two pages of posts, has NO ONE mentioned the biggest reason to get a 3090 over a 6900XT?!! The memory! The 3090's 24GB GDDR6X is a significant improvement over the 6900XT's 16GB GDDR6. Maybe not necessary for gaming, but if you're doing anything else with your GPU, then the 3090 is the way to go if you can afford it.
Actually I did mention it. "I'm using it for things other than gaming where AMD GPUs have less support or no support or perform worse than Nvidia GPUs. I also can also actually use the extra 8 GB of VRAM the 3090 has."
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