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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 09:30:58 (permalink)
Buying this for air or water you're only playing yourself by psyching yourself out.
 
Buying this for LN2 and chasing world records, it may actually offer benefits over other models.  Probably not though.
 
Sad to see after what we learned with the 1080's and 980's before honestly.  If you haven't payed attention or don't follow extreme overclocking go back and read up.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 09:38:55 (permalink)
what the difference between kingpin and FTW3? thanks :D

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 09:42:27 (permalink)
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what the difference between kingpin and FTW3? thanks :D

In general: bigger, more expensive, less efficient, something to brag about with people who are gullible, virtually the same performance unless you modify it, and reported to have more bugs and stability issues in certain circumstances.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 10:01:13 (permalink)
There's more to beautifully designed computer hardware to many of us than just frame rates.

Not very many of us though.

And some of us aren't so strapped for cash since we don't buy a new video card every single stupid generation.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 10:37:03 (permalink)
I personally think it's a nice piece of hardware but obviously not for your average joe so to all the hating critics and negative nancys, this thread isn't obviously for you.  If you don't like the Kingpin, don't comment imo.   The kingpin is the all mighty beefed up PCB for those that care about benchmark, custom cooling and those that just have the pocket for bragging rights.  

Enough with the complaints the last few weeks on this forum, holy smokes.  My heads gonna explode. lol

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 10:45:59 (permalink)
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I personally think it's a nice piece of hardware but obviously not for your average joe so to all the hating critics and negative nancys, this thread isn't obviously for you.

Enough with the complaints the last few weeks on this forum, holy smokes.

A strong dose of reality is very important.  Would you rather see "negative" comments in this one thread, or an uneducated public with a mass of negative threads in the coming months? 
 
The Kingpin line just needs to die; or at least be a limited product which Vince and his group of friends can torture.  I didn't always say such negative things about the Kingpin line.  I have become jaded by all the negative threads I have read for years in the past; especially the more recent past as the Kingpin line became less and less useful compared to the similarly performing stock(ish) cards.  As the negative threads keep rolling in about the Kingpin line in the coming months as more and more information yet again becomes available about its shortcomings, you may see yourself become jaded as well.
 
It's not EVGA's fault.  It is just a product which is no longer needed as die shrinks and technology has evolved past that same old bottleneck which the Kingpin line has strived to solve repeatedly for years on end with less and less effectiveness.  I am sure that Vince could do the same with a non-Kingpin card if the marketing allowed.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 11:00:45 (permalink)
I actually run cards on ln2 / dice and even I know this is a joke and a cash grab on evgas part.

Here's what all those features actually do via der8auer



https://youtu.be/iKU0xvQ829s

I miss the days of paying more for a card and actually getting more.

I do love the fact that a reference model can easily put perform the most expensive version just because of the chance of a golden chip though.

If you're chasing a world benchmark score you might have some advantage with any of the top tier models but not in ways you would think.

Anyone else it's best to get the cheapest. Or most aesthetically pleasing model for yourself. Or use your threshold for noise tolerance as the deciding factor, choosing cards with more advanced coolers to benefit from.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 11:01:16 (permalink)
Where it at though. Hopefully this releases soon or at least they open up pre orders.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 11:03:28 (permalink)
They aren't hiding the voltage. It doesn't report via software. He's probably around 1.6v via dmm on those runs. Maybe a little lower.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 11:06:41 (permalink)
Fof those stating that this "Will be a 2.5 or 3 slot cooler.. guaranteed..." possibly, but unlikely. You may have forgot that K|ngp|n still runs 4way benchmarks.. a 2.5 slot air cooler would stop 4 way testing prior to ln2 blocks dead in its tracks, so I would think they keep it to a 2 slot cooler.

Also, gtxjackbauer, dont forget .. "negative nancies and negative comments" come about because of those that believe that they will get magical performance because they paid more. A prime example, 980ti hydrocopper owners that didnt know a hydrocopper required water to cool it... they read that it was the best watercooled card evga had to offer, and never actually read that they would have to provide water for the watercooling to work.. educating those without a clue is what negative nancies are good at.

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 11:11:07 (permalink)
The binning and costs of the last kingpin created all this negativity. People spent hundreds more for a card that performed no better than many reference model cards.

People didn't understand the changes in behavior from Kepler to maxwell to pascal and what was really going on with oc potential and behavior with the new architecture. . People still haven't learned.

Evga did do a great thing by offering 3 fan designs though. That addresses a real issue with a real solution and will allow those models to clock higher than lower end models.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 11:25:09 (permalink)
Unless something incredible happened, K|ngp|n wont be using Samsung exclusive memory this round, since Micron has G5x locked down fairly well. That was the big selling point for the 980ti and prior cards, since there was a mix of micron, sk hynix, and samsung amongst all of the other options throughout the production cycles.

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 12:53:07 (permalink)
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what the difference between kingpin and FTW3? thanks :D

In general: bigger, more expensive, less efficient, something to brag about with people who are gullible, virtually the same performance unless you modify it, and reported to have more bugs and stability issues in certain circumstances.



KingPin name on a video cards is becoming just like Fatal1ty name on motherboards.
 
 
 
 

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 14:13:12 (permalink)
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Yeah, I can't wait to start seeing posts about how "I bought the most expensive card, and it overclocks (on air/water) less than my base model card!!!11!!1!!1!!!>?!!zors!"


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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 14:24:24 (permalink)
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 14:30:28 (permalink)
we can expect a minimum 3x 8 pin PCIE connector if not more for power deliverywhoa
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 14:34:06 (permalink)
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we can expect a minimum 3x 8 pin PCIE connector if not more for power deliverywhoa


I honestly hope they move the connectors to the end of the card so the powerlink isnt neccesary anymore. Everytime they do something with the KPE, it filters down to the lower tier cards

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 16:07:02 (permalink)
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we can expect a minimum 3x 8 pin PCIE connector if not more for power deliverywhoa


I honestly hope they move the connectors to the end of the card so the powerlink isnt neccesary anymore. Everytime they do something with the KPE, it filters down to the lower tier cards



This might be an issue in smaller cases with longer card variants though.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 16:22:20 (permalink)
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This might be an issue in smaller cases with longer card variants though.


Then purchase a card that fits, lol. Example, sc2.

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 16:28:14 (permalink)
I will wait to step-up to that... JK


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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 23:37:30 (permalink)
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we can expect a minimum 3x 8 pin PCIE connector if not more for power deliverywhoa


I honestly hope they move the connectors to the end of the card so the powerlink isnt neccesary anymore. Everytime they do something with the KPE, it filters down to the lower tier cards



This might be an issue in smaller cases with longer card variants though.




Who buys a card design for benching to place inside a tiny case. I would take FTW2 version over the KingPin version for gaming.

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/22 23:42:07 (permalink)
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what the difference between kingpin and FTW3? thanks :D

In general: bigger, more expensive, less efficient, something to brag about with people who are gullible, virtually the same performance unless you modify it, and reported to have more bugs and stability issues in certain circumstances.



KingPin name on a video cards is becoming just like Fatal1ty name on motherboards.
 



 
 Did you mean to say sound cards?

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/23 04:48:13 (permalink)
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KingPin name on a video cards is becoming just like Fatal1ty name on motherboards.

Did you mean to say sound cards?


Asrock Fatal1ty Motherboards, maybe?: http://www.asrock.com/microsite/fatal1ty/

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/23 09:16:26 (permalink)
For me kingpin overclocks on extreme cooling are a nice glimpse of the type of performance we can expect to meet or exceed in the next non-ti generation of cards.  It's obviously not for gamers, but rather people going for benching and going for max-oc records.
 
I think it's cool that EVGA makes such a product because obviously there are tools required for the above activities (alt bios, beefier VRM, highest yield silicon, etc.), but anyone buying a race engine and complaining because it overheats in traffic is clearly confused about its purpose.
 
Still, 90% of the people that buy this card will have no idea what the point is, and complain that their founders edition hits higher stable OCs.  It will be fun to watch though.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/23 09:57:11 (permalink)
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I think it's cool that EVGA makes such a product because obviously there are tools required for the above activities (alt bios, beefier VRM, highest yield silicon, etc.).


These cards are typically not screened out according to Silicon quality. The silicon remains random at manufacture/assembly. After the card is manufactured, some go through additional testing and then the best from that testing are given to Vince to try to break records with. For the rest of us people, the chances of getting a good Kingpin edition is just as good as the chances of getting a good reference FE card. Doesn't make much sense...

In the past, EVGA has offered a service for extra money to buy a card which has been tested and determined to have desireable qualities. Don't confuse that service as some kind of indication that the silicon quality is better at manufacture/assembly. It was just a way to pay more to bypass the silicon lottery which is otherwise occuring.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/23 10:28:09 (permalink)
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I think it's cool that EVGA makes such a product because obviously there are tools required for the above activities (alt bios, beefier VRM, highest yield silicon, etc.).


These cards are typically not screened out according to Silicon quality. The silicon remains random at manufacture/assembly. After the card is manufactured, some go through additional testing and then the best from that testing are given to Vince to try to break records with. For the rest of us people, the chances of getting a good Kingpin edition is just as good as the chances of getting a good reference FE card. Doesn't make much sense...

In the past, EVGA has offered a service for extra money to buy a card which has been tested and determined to have desireable qualities. Don't confuse that service as some kind of indication that the silicon quality is better at manufacture/assembly. It was just a way to pay more to bypass the silicon lottery which is otherwise occuring.



Where are you getting this information?  Last I heard IIRC from a rep was, the FTW, Classifieds and Kingpins are binned GPUs.  The rest are a lottery.

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/23 10:40:20 (permalink)
They were binned according to ASIC quality for Maxwell GPUs but now that ASIC is not supported they'd literally have to sit and overclock cards to do that. You'd be have to pay a whole lot more for that kind of service I think.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/23 10:48:15 (permalink)
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I think it's cool that EVGA makes such a product because obviously there are tools required for the above activities (alt bios, beefier VRM, highest yield silicon, etc.).


These cards are typically not screened out according to Silicon quality. The silicon remains random at manufacture/assembly. After the card is manufactured, some go through additional testing and then the best from that testing are given to Vince to try to break records with. For the rest of us people, the chances of getting a good Kingpin edition is just as good as the chances of getting a good reference FE card. Doesn't make much sense...

In the past, EVGA has offered a service for extra money to buy a card which has been tested and determined to have desireable qualities. Don't confuse that service as some kind of indication that the silicon quality is better at manufacture/assembly. It was just a way to pay more to bypass the silicon lottery which is otherwise occuring.



Where are you getting this information?  Last I heard IIRC from a rep was, the FTW, Classifieds and Kingpins are binned GPUs.  The rest are a lottery.


They are "binned" as in factory tested for stock clocks only. Never have they guaranteed anything beyond the advertised boost clock they sell. They are not binned in the sense of what people assume they mean, which means guaranteed to exceed standard cards.

They may do that for a hefty money grab this round, but users have to realize that the rest of their system will limit a gpu, so where Vince may get a KPE to 2200mhz on air using a 6950x, another user may only see 2000mhz with their 6500k and smaller psu. That would be a waste of time and money for evga and Vince.

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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/23 10:51:12 (permalink)
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we can expect a minimum 3x 8 pin PCIE connector if not more for power deliverywhoa


I honestly hope they move the connectors to the end of the card so the powerlink isnt neccesary anymore. Everytime they do something with the KPE, it filters down to the lower tier cards



This might be an issue in smaller cases with longer card variants though.




Who buys a card design for benching to place inside a tiny case. I would take FTW2 version over the KingPin version for gaming.




Just saying the longer cards might fit in a smaller case now.  Put the power on the back and it might not work.  Especially if you have a rad and/or pump reservoir mounted there.
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Re: 1080 Ti K|NGP|N spotted 2017/04/23 10:58:03 (permalink)
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I think it's cool that EVGA makes such a product because obviously there are tools required for the above activities (alt bios, beefier VRM, highest yield silicon, etc.).


These cards are typically not screened out according to Silicon quality. The silicon remains random at manufacture/assembly. After the card is manufactured, some go through additional testing and then the best from that testing are given to Vince to try to break records with. For the rest of us people, the chances of getting a good Kingpin edition is just as good as the chances of getting a good reference FE card. Doesn't make much sense...

In the past, EVGA has offered a service for extra money to buy a card which has been tested and determined to have desireable qualities. Don't confuse that service as some kind of indication that the silicon quality is better at manufacture/assembly. It was just a way to pay more to bypass the silicon lottery which is otherwise occuring.



Where are you getting this information?  Last I heard IIRC from a rep was, the FTW, Classifieds and Kingpins are binned GPUs.  The rest are a lottery.


For example:
https://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=2506026&p=1

EVGA doesn't know what they have until after the card is manufactured/assembled. Years past, they could go by ASIC quality score. No more.

Now, cards which share the same PCB/design, can be tested after manufacture and marketed/"binned" by the results. But, custom PCB cards share the same core and same silicon lottery and can suffer the same problems except are harder to market/"bin" (other than throwing the worst in the bin).
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