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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 16:14:12
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Lets see if I can venture an analogy that might sum it up
I am going to use engine rpm redline and rpm limiter as an example -
lets say the 125% = 9k rpm, 117% = 7k rpm (for example sake)
9k RPM is the operating safe limit = Redline. Would have to hit 10k rpm before it blew up
What people are experiencing is a 7k RPM limiter that should allow blips higher when what the want / expect is a 9k RPM limiter
bcavanaugh seems to have a limiter that is closer to 8 - 8.5k
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 16:19:57
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Not that it matters but I thought that it was the Firmware that Managed the extra fans and not the Bios.
Well when you flash a BIOS, you are updating the firmware, right?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 16:22:19
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 16:54:51
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Not that it matters but I thought that it was the Firmware that Managed the extra fans and not the Bios.
Well when you flash a BIOS, you are updating the firmware, right?
No, Not really.
EVGA Cards also have a Firmware that Manages the Sensors that are updated by PXOC.
Also the RGB part of the Card. I also thought it managed the added Fans.
This is separate from the NVIDIA Graphics Bios.
But with most Motherboard Bios they also include Firmware for like the Intel Chipsets and so on.
When you flash a BIOS, you are updating the firmware. Some EVGA cards also have additional abilities covered by other device firmware. Some, like the FE for example, do not. Anyhow the point being flashing different FIRMWARE to the BIOS can affect the fan operation of cards that the FIRMWARE was not intended for. This is a known issue along with other quirks like ports not working...etc.etc...
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 17:12:06
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Yes, I believe it affects all ftw3 cards, however, early in the thread Jacob showed a ftw3 hitting 127% without any issues.
This is Jacob's post, it's nothing but occasional overshots, average is way below 120, just enlarge the attachment picture. https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2714804
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 17:32:25
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Yes, I believe it affects all ftw3 cards, however, early in the thread Jacob showed a ftw3 hitting 127% without any issues.
This is Jacob's post, it's nothing but occasional overshots, average is way below 120, just enlarge the attachment picture.
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2714804
This is part of why I do not think it is meant to stay at 127% All the time.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 17:53:15
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bcavnaugh
Not that it matters but I thought that it was the Firmware that Managed the extra fans and not the Bios.
Well when you flash a BIOS, you are updating the firmware, right?
No, Not really.
EVGA Cards also have a Firmware that Manages the Sensors that are updated by PXOC.
Also the RGB part of the Card. I also thought it managed the added Fans.
This is separate from the NVIDIA Graphics Bios.
But with most Motherboard Bios they also include Firmware for like the Intel Chipsets and so on.
When you flash a BIOS, you are updating the firmware. Some EVGA cards also have additional abilities covered by other device firmware. Some, like the FE for example, do not. Anyhow the point being flashing different FIRMWARE to the BIOS can affect the fan operation of cards that the FIRMWARE was not intended for. This is a known issue along with other quirks like ports not working...etc.etc...
OK HeavyHemi You Made Your Point Lets Move On NOW!
How about removing your blaring headline? Man...I wasn't trying to make a point. You were arguing with me for some reason and you were mistaken.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 18:21:01
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This is part of why I do not think it is meant to stay at 127% All the time.
No it's not, this is where it should bounce off power limiter, but it bounces as low as 117%, same as master BIOS.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 18:21:17
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bcavnaugh
Not that it matters but I thought that it was the Firmware that Managed the extra fans and not the Bios.
Well when you flash a BIOS, you are updating the firmware, right?
No, Not really.
EVGA Cards also have a Firmware that Manages the Sensors that are updated by PXOC.
Also the RGB part of the Card. I also thought it managed the added Fans.
This is separate from the NVIDIA Graphics Bios.
But with most Motherboard Bios they also include Firmware for like the Intel Chipsets and so on.
When you flash a BIOS, you are updating the firmware. Some EVGA cards also have additional abilities covered by other device firmware. Some, like the FE for example, do not. Anyhow the point being flashing different FIRMWARE to the BIOS can affect the fan operation of cards that the FIRMWARE was not intended for. This is a known issue along with other quirks like ports not working...etc.etc...
You were arguing with me for some reason and you were mistaken.
Done, but I was not arguing with you and if you think this was the case then Please Forgive me.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 18:25:28
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bcavnaugh
This is part of why I do not think it is meant to stay at 127% All the time.
No it's not, this is where it should bounce off power limiter, but it bounces as low as 117%, same as master BIOS.
Thank you.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 18:50:18
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Thank you, is this True?
Basically. If it was working correctly it should hover around 127% instead of 117%.
Yep, it should hover around 127%.
All the Time, even when the game is idle?
I have never seen any Graphics Card do this, ever.
Only when under super stressful situations. Not all the time.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/25 21:49:50
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I get the same behavior in my FTW3. I just installed a hybrid cooler and rebenched it. In my first runs on air I never played attention to this. I was more worried about the mv readings, so this time I watched this chart and found I hit 125 momentarily but mostly it stayed between 112 and 117%. This card is one of the first ones produced as I bought it maybe a week after launch.
I don't know if the chip is being allowed to use the extra power available. Mine tops at 1093mv. It usually hits that below 117%. I don't know if the card can go to 127, but just never calls for, or is prevented by nvidia's voltage restriction.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 08:45:43
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Been gone all weekend, haven't been able to follow up on the support ticket yet.
I have a FTW3 Elite from preorder so, if bcav does have some newer version of the slave bios on his, it's safe to say mine will likely not have it.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 08:57:30
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Mine will do the same.. touch like 124-125% for a sec but that don't mean crap.
The deal as usual is that the card is acting like it's close to the power max way early and hitting power level limit and down clocking the card even at 110+%.
Maybe we gota test the card with no overclock to see if it will hit the higher power 127%.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 09:25:07
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Thank you, is this True?
Basically. If it was working correctly it should hover around 127% instead of 117%.
Yep, it should hover around 127%.
All the Time, even when the game is idle?
I have never seen any Graphics Card do this, ever.
Only when under super stressful situations. Not all the time.
This is getting hard to keep up with It should hover around 127% or it should not hover around 127% Cannot have it both ways Since no one has posted an SLI setup in this Thread I ordered another 1080 FTW3 Hybrid to see if an SLI setup will hover at or above 120%
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 11:18:06
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I got response to my CSR
Your Answer:Hello,
Thank you for contacting EVGA about your inquiry. Nvidia has identified this as an issue with their drivers, but they have not given us an ETA on when they will be able to correct the issue. When you are hitting the power target, what clock speeds are you getting?
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us via email or by phone at [link=tel:(888)%20881-3842]1.888.881.3842[/link]. Our customer support office is open 24 hours a day, 7 days week.
Thank you,
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Jacob B.
Curious if card gets more stable overclock if Power Limit is lowered t 117% in XOC, matching physical essentially. Anyone done that?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 11:20:59
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I guess this is more of a technical question. Is the vcore locked at 1093mv? If it is, why would the card ever pull more power than what is required to reach that?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 11:23:49
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I guess this is more of a technical question. Is the vcore locked at 1093mv? If it is, why would the card ever pull more power than what is required to reach that?
Still depends on the image it's drawing at the time. So it he power will go up and down depending on how hard the card has to work tense how much power needed to work.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 11:25:22
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I got response to my CSR
Your Answer:Hello,
Thank you for contacting EVGA about your inquiry. Nvidia has identified this as an issue with their drivers, but they have not given us an ETA on when they will be able to correct the issue. When you are hitting the power target, what clock speeds are you getting?
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us via email or by phone at [link=tel:(888)%20881-3842]1.888.881.3842[/link]. Our customer support office is open 24 hours a day, 7 days week.
Thank you,
EVGA
Jacob B.
Curious if card gets more stable overclock if Power Limit is lowered t 117% in XOC, matching physical essentially. Anyone done that?
Interesting he mentions what clock the card is running at the time.. makes me wana test the card at default clocks to see if the power% goes higher.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 15:05:18
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 15:15:35
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 15:39:19
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No problem. 
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 15:47:01
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 15:55:52
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Anyone Test with NVIDIA Driver 391.01?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 17:33:49
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Anyone Test with NVIDIA Driver 391.01?
Will tonight ;) Both default clocks and overclocked.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/26 18:33:43
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bcavnaugh
Anyone Test with NVIDIA Driver 391.01?
Will tonight ;)
Both default clocks and overclocked.
Just tested both scenarios with new driver, same result, 117% limit in both cases. :(
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