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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/08 10:35:07
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Snipes7 I don't get why this hasn't been addressed already with a simple bios update for those who care about it! I mean they could provide a 11GHz bios update for their 1080s. Why not provide a bios update that gives users what the card is advertised to deliver. I mean I can put a lable of 200% on the PT and most won't even notice it only hitting 117% those who do show the middle finger and say we working with nvidia on it they fix it in a driver update for damage control. EVGA dude, you are pissing your top customers off that buy the most expensive of cards. They won't forget that you were basically lying about what you promised the card could do. Honestly the Asus Strix has the better cooler anyways. I also feel like their VRM section is more solid. Also a really nice idea is the two pwm fan headers on the card so you can connect case fans that turn up and down like the GPU and are not bound to the CPU anymore which is usually not what one would prefere. Sry for rambling, that comes from someone who spend way too much money on EVGA. Have some honor EVGA, give ppl their 127% like it says on the slider.
My own personal take on this is that in combination with the increased power target and the increased clocks that they found during testing an unacceptable level of failures at the 127% power level. It's hard to extrapolate failure rates from online complaints. However, my impression is we see quite a few complaints about unstable FTW cards, increasing the power target of the GPU would naturally also affect stability. I'm just cracking up that with a lowly FE model I'm still in the top 100 GPU scores in TS Extreme on a stock BIOS with no mods but the Hybrid cooler and I typically hit ~130% power running benches.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/08 11:19:59
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Snipes7 I don't get why this hasn't been addressed already with a simple bios update for those who care about it! I mean they could provide a 11GHz bios update for their 1080s. Why not provide a bios update that gives users what the card is advertised to deliver. I mean I can put a lable of 200% on the PT and most won't even notice it only hitting 117% those who do show the middle finger and say we working with nvidia on it they fix it in a driver update for damage control. EVGA dude, you are pissing your top customers off that buy the most expensive of cards. They won't forget that you were basically lying about what you promised the card could do. Honestly the Asus Strix has the better cooler anyways. I also feel like their VRM section is more solid. Also a really nice idea is the two pwm fan headers on the card so you can connect case fans that turn up and down like the GPU and are not bound to the CPU anymore which is usually not what one would prefere. Sry for rambling, that comes from someone who spend way too much money on EVGA. Have some honor EVGA, give ppl their 127% like it says on the slider.
My own personal take on this is that in combination with the increased power target and the increased clocks that they found during testing an unacceptable level of failures at the 127% power level. It's hard to extrapolate failure rates from online complaints. However, my impression is we see quite a few complaints about unstable FTW cards, increasing the power target of the GPU would naturally also affect stability. I'm just cracking up that with a lowly FE model I'm still in the top 100 GPU scores in TS Extreme on a stock BIOS with no mods but the Hybrid cooler and I typically hit ~130% power running benches.
Then fine.. release an extreme water cooling bios for the ftw3 like the kingpin. :) Not like there a shortage of copper blocks from evga or ek like there is for the kingpin.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/08 11:42:09
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Snipes7 I don't get why this hasn't been addressed already with a simple bios update for those who care about it! I mean they could provide a 11GHz bios update for their 1080s. Why not provide a bios update that gives users what the card is advertised to deliver. I mean I can put a lable of 200% on the PT and most won't even notice it only hitting 117% those who do show the middle finger and say we working with nvidia on it they fix it in a driver update for damage control. EVGA dude, you are pissing your top customers off that buy the most expensive of cards. They won't forget that you were basically lying about what you promised the card could do. Honestly the Asus Strix has the better cooler anyways. I also feel like their VRM section is more solid. Also a really nice idea is the two pwm fan headers on the card so you can connect case fans that turn up and down like the GPU and are not bound to the CPU anymore which is usually not what one would prefere. Sry for rambling, that comes from someone who spend way too much money on EVGA. Have some honor EVGA, give ppl their 127% like it says on the slider.
My own personal take on this is that in combination with the increased power target and the increased clocks that they found during testing an unacceptable level of failures at the 127% power level. It's hard to extrapolate failure rates from online complaints. However, my impression is we see quite a few complaints about unstable FTW cards, increasing the power target of the GPU would naturally also affect stability. I'm just cracking up that with a lowly FE model I'm still in the top 100 GPU scores in TS Extreme on a stock BIOS with no mods but the Hybrid cooler and I typically hit ~130% power running benches.
Then fine.. release an extreme water cooling bios for the ftw3 like the kingpin. :)
Not like there a shortage of copper blocks from evga or ek like there is for the kingpin.
My point in the prior post being that I suspect increasing the power target would result in an unacceptable level of RMA's. We're seeing quite a few KingPin cards....though I wonder how much of that is people trying to game the silicon lottery. It's merely speculation on my part. As I am not privy to the design details of their PWM, there may be some other issue where they cannot change the power target without unbalancing the power delivery between the PCIe and dual 8 pin inputs.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/08 12:41:38
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Snipes7 I don't get why this hasn't been addressed already with a simple bios update for those who care about it! I mean they could provide a 11GHz bios update for their 1080s. Why not provide a bios update that gives users what the card is advertised to deliver. I mean I can put a lable of 200% on the PT and most won't even notice it only hitting 117% those who do show the middle finger and say we working with nvidia on it they fix it in a driver update for damage control. EVGA dude, you are pissing your top customers off that buy the most expensive of cards. They won't forget that you were basically lying about what you promised the card could do. Honestly the Asus Strix has the better cooler anyways. I also feel like their VRM section is more solid. Also a really nice idea is the two pwm fan headers on the card so you can connect case fans that turn up and down like the GPU and are not bound to the CPU anymore which is usually not what one would prefere. Sry for rambling, that comes from someone who spend way too much money on EVGA. Have some honor EVGA, give ppl their 127% like it says on the slider.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/09 18:51:00
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Snipes7 I don't get why this hasn't been addressed already with a simple bios update for those who care about it! I mean they could provide a 11GHz bios update for their 1080s. Why not provide a bios update that gives users what the card is advertised to deliver. I mean I can put a lable of 200% on the PT and most won't even notice it only hitting 117% those who do show the middle finger and say we working with nvidia on it they fix it in a driver update for damage control. EVGA dude, you are pissing your top customers off that buy the most expensive of cards. They won't forget that you were basically lying about what you promised the card could do. Honestly the Asus Strix has the better cooler anyways. I also feel like their VRM section is more solid. Also a really nice idea is the two pwm fan headers on the card so you can connect case fans that turn up and down like the GPU and are not bound to the CPU anymore which is usually not what one would prefere. Sry for rambling, that comes from someone who spend way too much money on EVGA. Have some honor EVGA, give ppl their 127% like it says on the slider.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/10 14:12:56
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This is completely unacceptable from EVGA. I will personally not buy a graphics card from them when the next high end cards arrive. The only reason I wanted EVGA this time is because of the hybrid version. I have been waiting for this to be resolved for months, and they keep selling the same card to the public. I hope someone starts talking from the tech review channels or EVGA gets sued or both. This is complete false advertising on their part. EVGA has messed up so much in recent history with their products that they don’t deserve any loyalty from their customers. Horrible job EVGA.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/10 14:29:40
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Man where's the update from EVGA. Just crickets......
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/10 14:34:12
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Luigi408 This is completely unacceptable from EVGA. I will personally not buy a graphics card from them when the next high end cards arrive. The only reason I wanted EVGA this time is because of the hybrid version. I have been waiting for this to be resolved for months, and they keep selling the same card to the public. I hope someone starts talking from the tech review channels or EVGA gets sued or both. This is complete false advertising on their part. EVGA has messed up so much in recent history with their products that they don’t deserve any loyalty from their customers. Horrible job EVGA.
Yup.. next card will be a fe card. Slap a ek block on it and be good to go.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/10 21:59:45
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Luigi408 This is completely unacceptable from EVGA. I will personally not buy a graphics card from them when the next high end cards arrive. The only reason I wanted EVGA this time is because of the hybrid version. I have been waiting for this to be resolved for months, and they keep selling the same card to the public. I hope someone starts talking from the tech review channels or EVGA gets sued or both. This is complete false advertising on their part. EVGA has messed up so much in recent history with their products that they don’t deserve any loyalty from their customers. Horrible job EVGA.
Yup.. next card will be a fe card. Slap a ek block on it and be good to go.
From ASUS.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/11 11:52:54
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Another story of the helpless frustrated endcustomer.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/11 12:36:57
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Luigi408 This is completely unacceptable from EVGA. I will personally not buy a graphics card from them when the next high end cards arrive. The only reason I wanted EVGA this time is because of the hybrid version. I have been waiting for this to be resolved for months, and they keep selling the same card to the public. I hope someone starts talking from the tech review channels or EVGA gets sued or both. This is complete false advertising on their part. EVGA has messed up so much in recent history with their products that they don’t deserve any loyalty from their customers. Horrible job EVGA.
Yup.. next card will be a fe card. Slap a ek block on it and be good to go.
From ASUS.
Meh. It doesn't matter. A F.E. is a F.E. despite the brand. I would buy from EVGA because of warranty and support. But I wouldn't buy from EVGA a card that is said to reach 127% of P.L., but it can't.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/12 09:14:36
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Not going to brag about EVGA anymore that is for sure. This must be a bios problems and selling something that is advertised, just for it not to be true is in the sense stealing, I paid more for 2 ftw 3 cards just to relized I got played by evga and paid more for just to get a bigger power target as said by them, just to find out it is not true
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/12 20:07:56
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So we can just get over this with the xoc or whatever that bios was posted before right? Ex the Asus or whatever to unlock the vol?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/12 20:54:59
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Alan1080ti So we can just get over this with the xoc or whatever that bios was posted before right? Ex the Asus or whatever to unlock the vol?
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2716750
Why has EVGA not correct this issue by now?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/12 20:59:22
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Alan1080ti So we can just get over this with the xoc or whatever that bios was posted before right? Ex the Asus or whatever to unlock the vol?
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2716750
Why has EVGA not correct this issue by now?
There are multiple responses from EVGA_JacobF in this thread.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/12 22:04:15
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Alan1080ti So we can just get over this with the xoc or whatever that bios was posted before right? Ex the Asus or whatever to unlock the vol?
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2716750
Why has EVGA not correct this issue by now?
There are multiple responses from EVGA_JacobF in this thread.
Not really helpful but thank you.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/12 22:08:30
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Alan1080ti So we can just get over this with the xoc or whatever that bios was posted before right? Ex the Asus or whatever to unlock the vol?
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2716750
Why has EVGA not correct this issue by now?
There are multiple responses from EVGA_JacobF in this thread.
Not really helpful but thank you.
I'd say it's pretty helpful. Just takes a little bit of effort to search the thread for Jacob's posts.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/13 10:07:33
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7 months for what seems to be a " bios fix " is far from helpful, and that seems to be the general feeling for this problem. How many Nvidia updates have been released since this was brought to EVGA's attention?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/13 10:29:46
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tech73x 7 months for what seems to be a " bios fix " is far from helpful, and that seems to be the general feeling for this problem. How many Nvidia updates have been released since this was brought to EVGA's attention?
Guessing 4-5 driver sets.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
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tech73x 7 months for what seems to be a " bios fix " is far from helpful, and that seems to be the general feeling for this problem. How many Nvidia updates have been released since this was brought to EVGA's attention?
The answer is in this Post https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2778562But still not fixed, even on newer cards and newer drivers.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/15 08:19:09
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Still no fix, 7 months and counting.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/15 08:35:52
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It will be fixed when they release the 1180Ti
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/20 03:16:45
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petmic10 It will be fixed when they release the 1180Ti
Nope. It will be fixed on the 2080Ti F.E. . As I said before, the solution for now on is to buy a F.E. card, and slap a Hybrid Kit / Waterblock on it. No sense anymore in spending 100$ more for a FTW card that can't draw 127% of P.L. as stated on the marketing.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/20 09:52:58
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PietroBR Nope. It will be fixed on the 2080Ti F.E. .
As I said before, the solution for now on is to buy a F.E. card, and slap a Hybrid Kit / Waterblock on it. No sense anymore in spending 100$ more for a FTW card that can't draw 127% of P.L. as stated on the marketing.
How is that a solution for FTW3 owners?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/20 10:19:47
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PietroBR Nope. It will be fixed on the 2080Ti F.E. .
As I said before, the solution for now on is to buy a F.E. card, and slap a Hybrid Kit / Waterblock on it. No sense anymore in spending 100$ more for a FTW card that can't draw 127% of P.L. as stated on the marketing.
How is that a solution for FTW3 owners?
It's not going to help FTW3 owners but neither is EVGA. We are screwed.They have lost a lot of good karma over this. I had thought better of EVGA until this issue. There is no sense in spending the extra money for a card that can't beat a water cooled founders card. Save your money next time around. Maybe give ASUS a try, I haven't heard about their cards not hitting the stated max power limit. Since it looks like EVGA is adopting their customer service policy of stalling issues, what separates them from companies like asus or asrock ect...
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/20 11:38:37
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Jacob is on here everyday posting up new cards.
How about an official update on this matter?
Lots of ftw3 cards still currently being sold. Gota be a lot of interest in this thread.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/20 16:16:47
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PietroBR Nope. It will be fixed on the 2080Ti F.E. .
As I said before, the solution for now on is to buy a F.E. card, and slap a Hybrid Kit / Waterblock on it. No sense anymore in spending 100$ more for a FTW card that can't draw 127% of P.L. as stated on the marketing.
How is that a solution for FTW3 owners?
That's the point. It's not a solution, and for the looks of it, there will be no solution for this issue for us, FTW3 owners. Edward_Teach It's not going to help FTW3 owners but neither is EVGA. We are screwed.They have lost a lot of good karma over this. I had thought better of EVGA until this issue. There is no sense in spending the extra money for a card that can't beat a water cooled founders card. Save your money next time around. Maybe give ASUS a try, I haven't heard about their cards not hitting the stated max power limit. Since it looks like EVGA is adopting their customer service policy of stalling issues, what separates them from companies like asus or asrock ect...
Edward got the idea here. No sense spending more, if a watercooled F.E. can beat a FTW card. That's the lesson I learned with this issue. I'm not saying I won't buy with EVGA anymore. I'm just saying I won't buy any SC/FTW/CLASSY card from EVGA (maybe the Kingpin... who knows). In fact, in 5 year I pretend to buy a F.E. from EVGA when time comes to another PC Update.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/20 17:04:59
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PietroBR Nope. It will be fixed on the 2080Ti F.E. .
As I said before, the solution for now on is to buy a F.E. card, and slap a Hybrid Kit / Waterblock on it. No sense anymore in spending 100$ more for a FTW card that can't draw 127% of P.L. as stated on the marketing.
How is that a solution for FTW3 owners?
That's the point. It's not a solution, and for the looks of it, there will be no solution for this issue for us, FTW3 owners.
Edward_Teach It's not going to help FTW3 owners but neither is EVGA. We are screwed.They have lost a lot of good karma over this. I had thought better of EVGA until this issue. There is no sense in spending the extra money for a card that can't beat a water cooled founders card. Save your money next time around. Maybe give ASUS a try, I haven't heard about their cards not hitting the stated max power limit. Since it looks like EVGA is adopting their customer service policy of stalling issues, what separates them from companies like asus or asrock ect...
Edward got the idea here. No sense spending more, if a watercooled F.E. can beat a FTW card. That's the lesson I learned with this issue.
I'm not saying I won't buy with EVGA anymore. I'm just saying I won't buy any SC/FTW/CLASSY card from EVGA (maybe the Kingpin... who knows). In fact, in 5 year I pretend to buy a F.E. from EVGA when time comes to another PC Update.
2nd.. Will be buying a fe or 2 and water blocks. Why not? The fe block is the first out of the gate as well.. so good all around.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117%
2018/02/20 22:45:00
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AHowes Nice.. though some would beg to differ since using a different bios fixed the issue.
But here's to hope!
That is because that particular BIOS may have some other power limits increased or removed, allowing for higher power consumption.
December 14 2017 was the last time anyone from EVGA other than Sanjin posted in this thread to update or even to say that they are still looking into the problem. That is 69 days ago. Not even Jacob will come in here to blow sunshine up our collective skirts. They unpinned the thread and have been avoiding it like it had Ebola. I think we have our answer as to if and when they will fix this issue. If this isn't fixed by the time the next generation of cards come out , it might be time to lawyer up. I have personally paid the EVGA premium tax on 4 FTW3's and that is just one person. How many of us are out there that have bought these cards? How many people have been shafted by EVGA and what appears to be a conscious effort to ignore delivering on what their customers bought and paid for. If this criticism seams harsh then ask yourself how well EVGA would respond if people didn't pay them for 69+ days after receiving their gpus? Those customers would have been served papers after 30 days. I haven't been able to locate any mention of the 127% power limit on any FTW3 advertisements so if they were there EVGA has removed it. That does not bode well for those of us who have bought this card. It looks like all mention of the 127% power limit has been scrubbed from the EVGA website except for these forums.
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