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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/27 05:02:21
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Wish someone can make a class action on this, that would get an update pretty quick
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/27 18:29:26
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Wish someone can make a class action on this, that would get an update pretty quick
I assure you, it won't.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
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Let's say it is a bios issue. Ask yourself why EVGA hasn't offered a new one?
They would open the door to a sanctioned fix and end up having to replacing bricked cards from noob disasters.All that would do is add fuel to the fire. Clearly they have decided to let it burn out on it's own
IMHO, Truth is, even with a fixed bios the gains would likely be marginal therefore not worth the hassle and would also expose the real problem which is a poorly engineered card with fake theoretical bells and whistles. Clearly if the FTW3 possessed the potential to break records EVGA would have done that themselves by now. No, they have focused those efforts on the Titan.
I have no proof of this and it is my opinion but you know they've been messing around with the bios to fix it and they clearly can't and have blamed it on drivers. What else are we supposed to think?
I blame myself I should have known not the buy the 3rd iteration of For The Win which would be more apply called Fudge the Winnie's
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/29 03:17:45
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Let's say it is a bios issue. Ask yourself why EVGA hasn't offered a new one?
They would open the door to a sanctioned fix and end up having to replacing bricked cards from noob disasters.All that would do is add fuel to the fire. Clearly they have decided to let it burn out on it's own
IMHO, Truth is, even with a fixed bios the gains would likely be marginal therefore not worth the hassle and would also expose the real problem which is a poorly engineered card with fake theoretical bells and whistles. Clearly if the FTW3 possessed the potential to break records EVGA would have done that themselves by now. No, they have focused those efforts on the Titan.
I have no proof of this and it is my opinion but you know they've been messing around with the bios to fix it and they clearly can't and have blamed it on drivers. What else are we supposed to think?
I blame myself I should have known not the buy the 3rd iteration of For The Win which would be more apply called Fudge the Winnie's
We be fudged Yo
For the next time I upgrade my GPU, I now know I will be getting a Founders Edition based card. Not to say it's easier to fit a waterblock or hybrid kit on it. Despite the SC2 / FTW3 being very nice models, with good technology, for a next build I will consider the F.E. instead.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/29 12:25:51
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Let's say it is a bios issue. Ask yourself why EVGA hasn't offered a new one?
They would open the door to a sanctioned fix and end up having to replacing bricked cards from noob disasters.All that would do is add fuel to the fire. Clearly they have decided to let it burn out on it's own
IMHO, Truth is, even with a fixed bios the gains would likely be marginal therefore not worth the hassle and would also expose the real problem which is a poorly engineered card with fake theoretical bells and whistles. Clearly if the FTW3 possessed the potential to break records EVGA would have done that themselves by now. No, they have focused those efforts on the Titan.
I have no proof of this and it is my opinion but you know they've been messing around with the bios to fix it and they clearly can't and have blamed it on drivers. What else are we supposed to think?
I blame myself I should have known not the buy the 3rd iteration of For The Win which would be more apply called Fudge the Winnie's
We be fudged Yo
For the next time I upgrade my GPU, I now know I will be getting a Founders Edition based card.
Not to say it's easier to fit a waterblock or hybrid kit on it.
Despite the SC2 / FTW3 being very nice models, with good technology, for a next build I will consider the F.E. instead.
Same here. I might be wrong, but I do not remember Asus or Zotac having problems hitting their stated power limits.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/29 14:32:05
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Cool, is this BIOS public? :)
Nope.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/29 15:22:43
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Cool, is this BIOS public? :)
Nope.
Since you have a KP I'm not sure why you keep posting here unless your point is it's not drivers and you are just not saying so. Or maybe your point is we need to spend 100 bucks more to get support. Either way I'm not amused.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/29 16:01:23
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Definitely not the drivers imo. I keep posting here as the kingpin is also affected by this issue on the stock vbioses.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/31 09:24:23
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Yet another driver update...no fix.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/31 12:42:04
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@Sajin, how did you get Kingpin BIOS that addresses the problem?
https://forums.evga.com/1080-Ti-Kingpin-Extreme-Watercooling-OC-VBIOS-m2751584.aspx
My understanding it is not from EVGA, any chance to get one for FTW3 Hybrid, not sure who makes them as Pascal BIOS is encrypted, so modifying OEM could be a challenge.
The extreme watercooling oc vbios was available for download on the kingpincooling website at one point in time. I simply downloaded it. The extreme watercooling oc vbios does allow you to get past the 117% limit, but it also limits out around 131% when it's suppose to allow up to 150%. Post #531 shows the details on that. I was able to get another vbios directly from Vince aka K|NGP|N himself that completely disables the power limit. See post #562 for that.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/31 13:41:52
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Hey, EVGA, this is my second EVGA card after 980TI, so I'm pretty new here, but not new at this stuff at all and still can see when somethings is terribly wrong... Do you want me to sell my hybrid, and for the money buy a titan with water block and rest of stuff for the same price cause that what pricing is right now? And loose future customer for probably most of PC stuff? I know that 2 top of the line cards and psu from you is't a lot, but you know, it hard to earn a customer confidence, and very easy to loose it. I thought I found a company that realise that perfectly as I drive my own and know the drill.
If that thing is fixable by bios, doesn't matter if the issue is also on driver side or not, why the hell didn't you fixed that yet for half a year???
If you can fix this, but it's nvidia nda or something that forbids you just tell us, we will strike nvidia. This whole thing is not professional at all.
I regret I din't read that topic before buying a card, just went blindly for ftw3 hybrid. Wanted to save myself fitting stuff myself. Could have gone for kingpin as as we can see another 100 bucks does make a difference in already most expensive shelf.
First I was disappointed, now I'm pissed.
This is definitely not well played. Putting it in gentle words.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/31 13:50:01
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Yeah why does kingpin have special bios to remove the limit. It not the ftw3?? If they removed it t hrn they knew about it for the kingpin.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/31 14:16:20
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Yeah why does kingpin have special bios to remove the limit. It not the ftw3?? If they removed it t hrn they knew about it for the kingpin.
Because companies do things for product segmentation. Second, while the die on the KingPin is the same die as any other 1080 Ti, the rest of the GPU including the power section is substantially different and so is the BIOS.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/31 14:22:03
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Yeah why does kingpin have special bios to remove the limit. It not the ftw3?? If they removed it t hrn they knew about it for the kingpin.
Because companies do things for product segmentation. Second, while the die on the KingPin is the same die as any other 1080 Ti, the rest of the GPU including the power section is substantially different and so is the BIOS.
we all know that, we do not expect limitless or 150%, just what we have paid for. Thougt that was obvious...
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/31 15:00:17
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Yeah why does kingpin have special bios to remove the limit. It not the ftw3?? If they removed it t hrn they knew about it for the kingpin.
Because companies do things for product segmentation. Second, while the die on the KingPin is the same die as any other 1080 Ti, the rest of the GPU including the power section is substantially different and so is the BIOS.
we all know that, we do not expect limitless or 150%, just what we have paid for. Thougt that was obvious...
+1 And it's a ftw3 card and elite.. well mine is. It's not a "ftw3 maybe with special bios, but you over payed cause a fe card would do the same even though the ftw3 card has 10+2 power but it's for show". I mean let's look at it honestly.. the fe with smaller power output will have dancing clocks because of the power limit . The ftw3 was supposed to be the opposite! Higher power limit so the card isn't at the power threshold and constant power limit 1 like a power restrained card! The 1080 was built right.. never had that power limit issue with a dual 8 pin card.. like the 1080 zotac or evga ftw cards I had or the 1080 evga classified cards I have. The ftw3 wasn't designed with a power handicap in mind but yet that's how it is with the 3 ftw3 cards I've tried and I'm sure it's the same on the new hybrid ftw3 I have yet to install.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/01/31 20:51:30
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Yeah why does kingpin have special bios to remove the limit. It not the ftw3?? If they removed it t hrn they knew about it for the kingpin.
Because companies do things for product segmentation. Second, while the die on the KingPin is the same die as any other 1080 Ti, the rest of the GPU including the power section is substantially different and so is the BIOS.
we all know that, we do not expect limitless or 150%, just what we have paid for. Thougt that was obvious...
+1 And it's a ftw3 card and elite.. well mine is. It's not a "ftw3 maybe with special bios, but you over payed cause a fe card would do the same even though the ftw3 card has 10+2 power but it's for show".
I mean let's look at it honestly.. the fe with smaller power output will have dancing clocks because of the power limit . The ftw3 was supposed to be the opposite! Higher power limit so the card isn't at the power threshold and constant power limit 1 like a power restrained card!
The 1080 was built right.. never had that power limit issue with a dual 8 pin card.. like the 1080 zotac or evga ftw cards I had or the 1080 evga classified cards I have.
The ftw3 wasn't designed with a power handicap in mind but yet that's how it is with the 3 ftw3 cards I've tried and I'm sure it's the same on the new hybrid ftw3 I have yet to install.
What's even more disturbing is these cards are built for, bought by enthusiast. The same enthusiast that built this company and promoted it's reputation to all who would listen. The same fanboys that have highly recommended and shown off their hardware for years and years to impress the family & friends. To let this linger and go unresolved is a slap in the face bare minimum.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/02 08:29:09
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c‘mon evga, that‘s not the way treating customers
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/02 09:10:56
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We are approaching 7 months since this thread was started and EVGA was put on notice for this. I have reached out to every youtube, pc site, etc. for help with fixing this since we are getting no were with this thread. I have yet to hear back from anybody to cover or address this problem. Real easy, give us the damn kingpin bios and let us run our cards at 130% and if we burn them up that is our fault. But not addressing the issue and remaining nearly dead silent throughout all of this is losing you customers. Remember EVGA, this is an enthusiast hobby and without customers like most of us, there would be alot less companies catering to this market. This is sad,
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/02 09:12:13
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AHowes
Yeah why does kingpin have special bios to remove the limit. It not the ftw3?? If they removed it t hrn they knew about it for the kingpin.
Because companies do things for product segmentation. Second, while the die on the KingPin is the same die as any other 1080 Ti, the rest of the GPU including the power section is substantially different and so is the BIOS.
we all know that, we do not expect limitless or 150%, just what we have paid for. Thougt that was obvious...
I though it was obvious I was on your side. I was answering a question as asked. The power section is different for the KingPin from the FTW and the FTW is different from the FE. Oddly enough the FE (I have one) seems to be the only EVGA GPU that actually hits ~130% regularly on benchruns...Sajin hasn't notice I topped his Superposition score yet....ha ha...  
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
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We are approaching 7 months since this thread was started and EVGA was put on notice for this. I have reached out to every youtube, pc site, etc. for help with fixing this since we are getting no were with this thread. I have yet to hear back from anybody to cover or address this problem. Real easy, give us the damn kingpin bios and let us run our cards at 130% and if we burn them up that is our fault. But not addressing the issue and remaining nearly dead silent throughout all of this is losing you customers. Remember EVGA, this is an enthusiast hobby and without customers like most of us, there would be alot less companies catering to this market. This is sad,
Maybe more of us need to reach out to tech and youtube sites to put a spotlight on this issue.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/03 02:22:49
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We are approaching 7 months since this thread was started and EVGA was put on notice for this. I have reached out to every youtube, pc site, etc. for help with fixing this since we are getting no were with this thread. I have yet to hear back from anybody to cover or address this problem. Real easy, give us the damn kingpin bios and let us run our cards at 130% and if we burn them up that is our fault. But not addressing the issue and remaining nearly dead silent throughout all of this is losing you customers. Remember EVGA, this is an enthusiast hobby and without customers like most of us, there would be alot less companies catering to this market. This is sad,
Maybe more of us need to reach out to tech and youtube sites to put a spotlight on this issue.
Maybe flood Steve from GamerNexus with this issue?
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
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We are approaching 7 months since this thread was started and EVGA was put on notice for this. I have reached out to every youtube, pc site, etc. for help with fixing this since we are getting no were with this thread. I have yet to hear back from anybody to cover or address this problem. Real easy, give us the damn kingpin bios and let us run our cards at 130% and if we burn them up that is our fault. But not addressing the issue and remaining nearly dead silent throughout all of this is losing you customers. Remember EVGA, this is an enthusiast hobby and without customers like most of us, there would be alot less companies catering to this market. This is sad,
Maybe more of us need to reach out to tech and youtube sites to put a spotlight on this issue.
Maybe flood Steve from GamerNexus with this issue?
I mentioned it on his youtube channel but it never gained any traction.
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
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Where do you think they get their new GPUs from? before anyone else too. never bite the hand that feeds. Those who don't get EVGA cards for review want to.
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2018/02/08 06:35:52
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I don't get why this hasn't been addressed already with a simple bios update for those who care about it! I mean they could provide a 11GHz bios update for their 1080s. Why not provide a bios update that gives users what the card is advertised to deliver. I mean I can put a lable of 200% on the PT and most won't even notice it only hitting 117% those who do show the middle finger and say we working with nvidia on it they fix it in a driver update for damage control. EVGA dude, you are pissing your top customers off that buy the most expensive of cards. They won't forget that you were basically lying about what you promised the card could do. Honestly the Asus Strix has the better cooler anyways. I also feel like their VRM section is more solid. Also a really nice idea is the two pwm fan headers on the card so you can connect case fans that turn up and down like the GPU and are not bound to the CPU anymore which is usually not what one would prefere. Sry for rambling, that comes from someone who spend way too much money on EVGA. Have some honor EVGA, give ppl their 127% like it says on the slider.
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tech73x
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/08 07:56:30
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It is to the point I am on water now so drop any warranty I have and give me a bios like the Kingpin card. If I burn it up, it's on me but I bought this card to punish it and use it so let me do that. Thanks :)
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/08 10:12:06
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tech73x
It is to the point I am on water now so drop any warranty I have and give me a bios like the Kingpin card. If I burn it up, it's on me but I bought this card to punish it and use it so let me do that. Thanks :)
You didn't drop any warranty adding a water block and you shouldn't need to also drop warranty with a custom bios to get you your made for 127% power preference either! Bios update and fix this card please!
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Re: 1080 TI FTW3 watercooled Slave BIOS doesn't go over 117% (cause identified, see post #
2018/02/08 10:21:08
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AHowes
tech73x
It is to the point I am on water now so drop any warranty I have and give me a bios like the Kingpin card. If I burn it up, it's on me but I bought this card to punish it and use it so let me do that. Thanks :)
You didn't drop any warranty adding a water block and you shouldn't need to also drop warranty with a custom bios to get you your made for 127% power preference either!
Bios update and fix this card please!
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