JustinHEMI
If your first inclination is to gather your kids and cross the street, you're the problem, not the gun owner.

So the person that would choose to move their family out of the way of a stranger brandishing a deadly weapon is the problem? ... that gave me a good laugh, Thanks for that...
 
I hope for your sake that's not the argument you choose to hang your hat on...

lempo

JustinHEMI
If your first inclination is to gather your kids and cross the street, you're the problem, not the gun owner.

So the person that would choose to move their family out of the way of a stranger brandishing a deadly weapon is the problem? ... that gave me a good laugh, Thanks for that...
 
I hope for your sake that's not the argument you choose to hang your hat on...

Justin does have a point.  Its not brandishing, its carrying.  The licensed gun owner just has it on his hip.  Its as harmless there and it is sitting on a table in nobody's hand.  If he was waving it around like a crazy person then you may want to cross the street.
 
He isn't saying it to be mean.  Thats just how you feel. You can't help how you feel.  Me being from Jersey, I would side with how you feel if I had my daughters with me.  HOWEVER, if I was carrying as well (concealed or otherwise) I wouldn't fear him.  Id probably have a conversation about his sidearm.  what you like about it etc.  You are right, you don't know how much training that person had, but I know how much I have, and if that law abiding citizen suddenly went on a rampage he would be dispatched with the quickness.

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lempo

JustinHEMI
If your first inclination is to gather your kids and cross the street, you're the problem, not the gun owner.

So the person that would choose to move their family out of the way of a stranger brandishing a deadly weapon is the problem? ... that gave me a good laugh, Thanks for that...
 
I hope for your sake that's not the argument you choose to hang your hat on...

Justin does have a point.  Its not brandishing, its carrying.  The licensed gun owner just has it on his hip.  Its as harmless there and it is sitting on a table in nobody's hand.  If he was waving it around like a crazy person then you may want to cross the street.
 
He isn't saying it to be mean.  Thats just how you feel. You can't help how you feel.  Me being from Jersey, I would side with how you feel if I had my daughters with me.  HOWEVER, if I was carrying as well (concealed or otherwise) I wouldn't fear him.  Id probably have a conversation about his sidearm.  what you like about it etc.  You are right, you don't know how much training that person had, but I know how much I have, and if that law abiding citizen suddenly went on a rampage he would be dispatched with the quickness.

Those are all fair points. I also should have added that I would not be the person to move my family across the street. I'm a pretty big dude and I can sometimes see people shy away from me even without a gun. That and I have owned and been around guns my entire life so I understand that it's a tool, really no different than the hammer in my toolbox. It's how you use it that makes it a weapon. But, I also have enough empathy to realize that the general public is largely uneducated about firearms and would see the gun and not the responsible person carrying it and freak out. I think we can all agree that there is an unfavorable stigma associated with handguns in general.
 
I think maybe I'm being misunderstood here so let me see if I can clear some of that up. I have no problem with responsible adults openly carrying a sidearm. In fact, If you are going to carrying a sidearm I would rather be able to see it, rather than be surprised by it. I was only stating why I personally would not carry one. So, once again ... not against open carry... But, able to see both sides of the argument, and choose not to.

MSim
 

People should seek cover if they see someone brandishing a weapon. If it's just on a person hip (in a holster) or slung over their shoulder, i wouldn't worry one bit. 
 
 bran·dished, bran·dish·ing, bran·dish·es
To wave or flourish (something, often a weapon) in a menacing, defiant, or excited way.
 
 
 
 





Thanks Sim.. we already established that wasn't the exact word I was looking for. but if that's all you took away from that exchange then there really isn't much more to say about that. and let's be honest, if long hair and a beard is enough to rattle the general populous then having a gun on your hip is essentially waving it around like a maniac to them.

MrImSoGood

MSim

lempo

JustinHEMI
If your first inclination is to gather your kids and cross the street, you're the problem, not the gun owner.

So the person that would choose to move their family out of the way of a stranger brandishing a deadly weapon is the problem? ... that gave me a good laugh, Thanks for that...
 
I hope for your sake that's not the argument you choose to hang your hat on...

People should seek cover if they see someone brandishing a weapon. If it's just on a person hip (in a holster) or slung over their shoulder, i wouldn't worry one bit. 
 
 bran·dished, bran·dish·ing, bran·dish·es
To wave or flourish (something, often a weapon) in a menacing, defiant, or excited way.
 
 
 
 

Until that person snaps for whatever reason and pull it out

Dont know if that's happened yet...

MrImSoGood

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lempo

JustinHEMI
If your first inclination is to gather your kids and cross the street, you're the problem, not the gun owner.

So the person that would choose to move their family out of the way of a stranger brandishing a deadly weapon is the problem? ... that gave me a good laugh, Thanks for that...

I hope for your sake that's not the argument you choose to hang your hat on...

People should seek cover if they see someone brandishing a weapon. If it's just on a person hip (in a holster) or slung over their shoulder, i wouldn't worry one bit. 

bran·dished, bran·dish·ing, bran·dish·es
To wave or flourish (something, often a weapon) in a menacing, defiant, or excited way.

Until that person snaps for whatever reason and pull it out

Dont know if that's happened yet...

Which is why the man walked his kids across the street
Better to be safe then sorry

Was it safer to cross the street with his family where an unseen vehicle could strike them, or walk past the man open carrying?

MrImSoGood

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MrImSoGood

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MrImSoGood

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JustinHEMI
If your first inclination is to gather your kids and cross the street, you're the problem, not the gun owner.

So the person that would choose to move their family out of the way of a stranger brandishing a deadly weapon is the problem? ... that gave me a good laugh, Thanks for that...

I hope for your sake that's not the argument you choose to hang your hat on...

People should seek cover if they see someone brandishing a weapon. If it's just on a person hip (in a holster) or slung over their shoulder, i wouldn't worry one bit. 

bran·dished, bran·dish·ing, bran·dish·es
To wave or flourish (something, often a weapon) in a menacing, defiant, or excited way.

Until that person snaps for whatever reason and pull it out

Dont know if that's happened yet...

Which is why the man walked his kids across the street
Better to be safe then sorry

Was it safer to cross the street with his family where an unseen vehicle could strike them, or walk past the man open carrying?

You're assuming the guy wouldn't have been smart enough to look both ways before crossing the street
You're assuming it's a busy street where cars are constantly passing by unlike whereas most neighborhoods wouldn't be as busy

Wasnt someone assuming that the open carrier was "brandishing" the firearm?

I haven't been here in a long time but I see things are still the same.  

lempo

JustinHEMI
If your first inclination is to gather your kids and cross the street, you're the problem, not the gun owner.

So the person that would choose to move their family out of the way of a stranger brandishing a deadly weapon is the problem? ... that gave me a good laugh, Thanks for that...
 
I hope for your sake that's not the argument you choose to hang your hat on...

 
Edited. I saw other replies later on. We've established that carrying isn't brandishing, and yes, it is the person's problem who holds the irrational fear, not the gun owner's.
 
Appeals to emotion and hyperbole don't make good arguments.

Justin

Thanks for getting back on track guys. Did any of you read my other post right here. Its like my dreams are coming true. If some of you are so worried about open carry well the campus carry bill does limit it to a certain extent but very lightly. Of course I am sure you guys know I wish no restrictions at all whatsoever. By the way have you noticed most of the people who are fearful of open carry and just guns in general are a bunch of hypocrites anyways. Most of the antis just love to watch people shoot and display guns at each other on their beloved movies/TV shows. OOOOOOOOH its so entertaining. Heck not to forget most antis enjoy shooting guns at people in video games like Call of Duty or Battlefield. The only argument most always tell me is "well Hazum all those things on TV and in games are fake." But I tell them the idea of it is still there. Rant over and back on course, if I recall about 40-45 states that allow open carry for the most part. And yes some states are VERY up tight about it.
 
By the way there is a bill reducing more of Texas's Gun Free Zones that is waiting for Governor Abbott's signature. It preempts the ability of most government entities to ban people who have concealed carry licenses from carrying weapons on most of their premises.  The bill passed 26 to 5 in the Senate, and 116 to 23 in the House . There are significant exceptions. Carry is banned in schools, polling places while voting is taking place, courts or offices utilized by a court, racetracks, secured areas of airports, and in government meetings open to the public. Carry is still prohibited in places that serve alcohol which derive 51% or more of their income form the sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises, hospitals, nursing homes, amusement parks, and places of religious worship are only off limits to gun carriers if they have a proper 30.06 sign in place. Once a government entity is placed on notice that they are in violation of the law, they will have 15 days to remove the offending sign. First offenses will incur fines of $1,000 to $1,500 per day. Second offenses are fined $10,000 to $10,500 per day.
 
 

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
Thanks for getting back on track guys. Did any of you read my other post right here. Its like my dreams are coming true. If some of you are so worried about open carry well the campus carry bill does limit it to a certain extent but very lightly. Of course I am sure you guys know I wish no restrictions at all whatsoever. By the way have you noticed most of the people who are fearful of open carry and just guns in general are a bunch of hypocrites anyways. Most of the antis just love to watch people shoot and display guns at each other on their beloved movies/TV shows. OOOOOOOOH its so entertaining. Heck not to forget most antis enjoy shooting guns at people in video games like Call of Duty or Battlefield. The only argument most always tell me is "well Hazum all those things on TV and in games are fake." But I tell them the idea of it is still there. Rant over and back on course, if I recall about 40-45 states that allow open carry for the most part. And yes some states are VERY up tight about it.
 
By the way there is a bill reducing more of Texas's Gun Free Zones that is waiting for Governor Abbott's signature. It preempts the ability of most government entities to ban people who have concealed carry licenses from carrying weapons on most of their premises.  The bill passed 26 to 5 in the Senate, and 116 to 23 in the House . There are significant exceptions. Carry is banned in schools, polling places while voting is taking place, courts or offices utilized by a court, racetracks, secured areas of airports, and in government meetings open to the public. Carry is still prohibited in places that serve alcohol which derive 51% or more of their income form the sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises, hospitals, nursing homes, amusement parks, and places of religious worship are only off limits to gun carriers if they have a proper 30.06 sign in place. Once a government entity is placed on notice that they are in violation of the law, they will have 15 days to remove the offending sign. First offenses will incur fines of $1,000 to $1,500 per day. Second offenses are fined $10,000 to $10,500 per day.
 
 

 
Even more than liking their movies and games with guns, anti's often wish for violence against gun owners by other people with guns. You should watch the posts on anti gunner FB pages. A lot of those people are insane.
 
ETA It's sad to see that Texas still clings to silly restrictions on where people can carry. Thank goodness I live in a gun friendly state.
 
Justin

Back with the mega-quotes guys? 
 
I don't think I would open carry personally unless it was the only option.  I would not want to scare away the anti-gun folks, so I would prefer to keep in concealed.  However, if I open carried a glock, and had a polo shirt, kaki's, and my boots on (with my mil-spec haircut), people would think i was a cop, so they likely wouldn't bat an eyelash at me.  Cause lord knows in Jersey only cops and criminals carry.  Cops open carry, criminals conceal carry.  There are less then 5 CCW permits in my town of 24 THOUSAND people.

A firearm in and of itself doesn't do anything.

There's no reason to be scared of a gun in a holster or slung over the shoulder.
 
If someone wields it and points it at you, or in your direction, I can see feeling fear...
Otherwise, it's irrational.
 
It's hardly going to LEAP out of its holster and go off.

Teaching your children your phobias is the most inane thing I've heard...

Wow I am VERY pleased on the path that Texas is going with more gun rights. Texas just recently passed another law where there would be no more arrest for concealed guns that have been left in carry-on luggage. This happens almost every day in Texas which actually lead the nation in concealed handguns found at TSA checkpoints. Normally instances such as this would result in felony charges (it is illegal to bring a concealed handgun into the secured area of an airport obviously), but a new Texas law will put an end to that. The law, HB554, was passed  on the 27th and is currently sitting on the Governor’s desk to be signed. The bill applies to people with a concealed carry license who accidentally enter the security screening process, and shields them from prosecution and even arrest if they immediately exit the screening area and ditch their gun outside.

Our race shop 3 of the 4 of us carry on the job. We work on high end cars and the shop is in a bad part of town. The boss and other tech open carry and I'm always concealed. The open display has kept us trouble free for 3 years at our location. They know we are armed and it not worth trying when there are 3 gun free zone down the street that have issues almost monthly.