With any luck, the gun-toting crazies will soon be having shootouts in the streets with themselves and/or the cops (like the biker thing in Waco) and they'll kill each other off.
 
Seriously though, you know what, guys? Instead of hating the "evul gubmint", you should be hating the big corporations that own and control the gubmint. Big money influence is what's causing the cops to act like fascist para-military to protect the rigged system that benefits the rich and powerful.
 
One of the defining characteristics of fascism is corporations in cahoots with gov't to the detriment of its citizens. Go ask Benito Mussolini.
 
 

Greenfire
With any luck, the gun-toting crazies will soon be having shootouts in the streets with themselves and/or the cops (like the biker thing in Waco) and they'll kill each other off.
 
Seriously though, you know what, guys? Instead of hating the "evul gubmint", you should be hating the big corporations that own and control the gubmint. Big money influence is what's causing the cops to act like fascist para-military to protect the rigged system that benefits the rich and powerful.
 
One of the defining characteristics of fascism is corporations in cahoots with gov't to the detriment of its citizens. Go ask Benito Mussolini.
 
 

Maybe you'll learn that a slippery slope is a logical fallacy.... Please do tell which corporations you are speaking of? I do however appreciate you realizing what's happening isn't capitalism its fascism... On a side note you realize LEO tote guns as well? By your logic (which is a fallacy) all officers are crazy...

There it is.... Forget about Bill Gates, Steve Jobs (deceased), George Soros, and big labor only because they fit your narrative... Yes your original argument for shootouts is ultimately a logical fallacy... It's actually not a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act... Just because people have TONS of money backing them doesn't mean they will win... We've seen this time and time again with Bloomberg backed candidates... Why do you fail to see the ones who fit your narrative are just as bad as the ones you're pointing out? I don't understand...

Greenfire
If you're so naive as to think there's a dime's worth of difference between the D's and R's, then apparently you can't add 1 and 1 together and you're beyond my help.

Could not agree with you more...... but this thread is about open carry bill from TX. No one should need the law any law at that matter to let him/her carry openly or concealed. More laws we have the richer the politicians get.  

MrImSoGood

lempo
I have lived in Texas my entire life (40+ years if you're counting) and maybe I've just been lucky, but I can't think of a single instance in my lifetime where I thought "man if I only had a gun right now" where the outcome would have been pleasant for anyone involved. I'm not anti-gun, don't get me wrong. I own several deer rifles and a couple of handguns (we call them cat pistols, for bobcat and mountain lion duty, I hunted primarily in West Texas and Wyoming). That being said, I believe that open carry has the potential provoke as many crimes as it deters. And is generally a bad idea.
 
My great grandfather was a Dallas Sheriff his whole life and a Bounty hunter after he retired. he used to say to me "the only reason you should ever carry a gun is if you are scared of somethin, what are you scared of boy?"... guess I just haven't been scared enough.

Finally someone that sees another side of this
And as for the "founding fathers", didn't most if not all of them own slaves? And wasn't it a "right" to own a slave?
 
Hey if you want to own a gun then own it, I couldn't care less but to say it's a "right" because it was written 200+ years ago does not mean it applies to today

It applies more so today because of stupid idiots in all our states and in DC want to to get rid of our God-given Right to carry and use a Gun for protection against ppl that just want to kill us for fun or rob us of our money, cars,etc.
 
There have been plenty of times that i know of ppl that have people been murdered, robbed Raped and assaulted in all kinds of ways where if I (Me), or most of those other ppl i know of have said if they would've carried a Gun, they could've fought back or killed the sobs or prevented the Murders of ppl and their own assaults. 
 
Guns, as some founding fathers said, including me and others are for corrupt ppl in Power that try to take our guns away and use it against ppl in Government and in political office and if we have to, kill any Group of ppl if we have to that would dare try to take "Our God given rights to bear arms". I find the only ppl that are opposed to guns live in a Very safe area, and have No real knowledge of violence, or have ever been through any real violence.
 
I've fought for this Country a long time ago for our rights to bear arms, but I would Not fight for This country anymore, I don't like the way ppl have changed. But if this country of elected officials and law enforcement said I can't carry a Gun, then I would wage war along with others against such a Corrupted country.
 
Anti-gun ppl are so un-educated, that they don't know like me, that Fact is almost every incident involving Gun violence, those ppl got their guns illegally off the street. And if Idiots did pas a law saying no one can carry a gun, it would Not Stop Gun violence in any way, as I know from Personal experience that any1 could still get a gun from any Gangs or Mafias. There are 10s of millions of guns in this country. Way too many for law enforcement to get, plus a there would be a Huge supply and demand for guns that ppl will want to wage a War against a corrupt country that would try to tell us we can't have Guns.
 
With a No Guns allowed law, only any Criminal, Gangster or Mafia person would then have a Gun, leaving other law abiding ppl defenseless.
 
Like Jesyy Ventura said on CNN, if he would've been in that Theater Massacre, it would've never had happened with some1 like him there to kill those ppl. a Lot of massacres could have been avoided if a trained person, Citizen or not would've been there to avert needless bloodshed.
 
Look at other school shootings that could've been averted if a person or more that knew had to use a Gun would've killed the Killers/Murderers and the massacres would not have happened.

I can personally talk however I want about unions... I belonged to one and will soon be forced into another one... You're the one off base my friend... But as a libertarian I respect your right to be off base... Anyways lets get back to the bill... Kaninja the thing is there are states where people are concealed carrying on college campuses and have been for a long time... There has yet to be a mass shooting that has occurred there...

Hey bill, you just keep going with that delusion you're having. See you next time you're out of a job, or your pay & bennies get cut back, or your retirement plan gets scooped up by the next banking crisis, or when you have a major medical issue (because you will some day) and you go bankrupt, or...
 
But you'll never get why that is because like a good "Merkin!", you've drunk the Kool-Aid and will keep whistling past the graveyard. Until it hits you between the eyes.
 
GG!

bill1024
 
I have already been there and have done all of that. But I worked my way through it. Never complained about someone doing better than me.
I lived of of grilled government cheese and tomato soup. Lost several jobs, things were real bad in the 70s and early 80s

 
No, you haven't been there done all of that yet until you've had a major, chronic medical issue. GL with getting your private ins. to pay for that. And I have no prob with people doing better than me financially per se, so you've missed the point. BTW, I'm almost 54, grew up in the 60's-70's and it was nowhere near as bad as today. We still had work here that paid decent wages before it was all shipped overseas for yet more corp. profit margin. And for the most part corps. and the wealthy still paid their fair share.
 
And what were you doing glomming off that evul gubmint, bill?! The monies that were spent on your cheese & soup should have gone to more corp. tax cuts and corp. welfare, oops!...I mean "subsidies", so they could claim to "create more jobs", instead of pocketing it when there is no way to expand business because of low demand for more products/services, because no one has a job here or if they do, it doesn't pay crap.
 
Yep. Sounds like the usual right-wing hate of that ol' evul gubmint, until they need something from it, right bill? Kinda like Wall St. and GM & Chrysler all hate regulation, but they sure loved those trillions in bailouts that came out of your and my taxes. But if they really were "free marketers" they would have been let go under because THEY screwed the pooch, not the rest of the country. Isn't that how "capitalism" is supposed to work?
 
"Capitalism will always survive, because socialism will be there to save it." - as someone once said.
 
And kaninja is right - a lot of the gun nuts have wet dreams about that extremely rare break-in or assault where they'll get the chance to kill someone with their toys and get away with it. It's not about "protecting" yourself. It's about macho stupidity and playing Dirty Harry.

Where were those "liberty" types when after Katrina, the evul gubmint of Shrub went around New Orleans knocking on doors and confiscating legally registered firearms, even from the card-carrying NRA freaks, because "looters"?
 
They coughed up their guuuns like good little scared sheep is what they did. There was no one 'taking their liberty back' or 'standin' up for mah 2nd Amendment RIGHTS!", and there won't ever be. It's all hot air because when push comes to shove, when they first clap eyes on a uniform they'll all bow down and do what they're told like shaky robots.

Greenfire
Where were those "liberty" types when after Katrina, the evul gubmint of Shrub went around New Orleans knocking on doors and confiscating legally registered firearms, even from the card-carrying NRA freaks, because "looters"?
 
They coughed up their guuuns like good little scared sheep is what they did. There was no one 'taking their liberty back' or 'standin' up for mah 2nd Amendment RIGHTS!", and there won't ever be. It's all hot air because when push comes to shove, when they first clap eyes on a uniform they'll all bow down and do what they're told like shaky robots.

I was protesting that... Anyways socialism has never saved Capitalism as true capitalism has never been in danger... Your pretty much like every other left wing nut job I've ever debated... You can go ahead and call me right wing but you'd be further from the truth than you've ever been...... You stand up for unions but you've likely have never had the misfortune to be a part of one... Anyways I am sorry Hazman that someone has to come and derail the thread man... It will most likely never get back on topic as we were all fine, we were even fine with Imsogood because he didn't come in here with a moral high horse... This guy is just a troll who hasn't been able to grow up in 54 years and the best he can do is give us alternate news sources and left wing hate... Maybe when an admin comes in they'll be able to imsee that it was peaceful until he came in and attacked everyone... Kaninja I see where you are coming from man and we've talked before so I won't go into it here or I might be attacked for having a different opinion than someone else in this thread... (Not you kaninja someone else in here)

On topic: which open-carrier is going to die first in Tex-ass from not being quick enough on the draw, pardner?

BF3PRO
I was protesting that... Anyways socialism has never saved Capitalism as true capitalism has never been in danger... Your pretty much like every other left wing nut job I've ever debated... You can go ahead and call me right wing but you'd be further from the truth than you've ever been...... You stand up for unions but you've likely have never had the misfortune to be a part of one... Anyways I am sorry Hazman that someone has to come and derail the thread man... It will most likely never get back on topic as we were all fine, we were even fine with Imsogood because he didn't come in here with a moral high horse... This guy is just a troll who hasn't been able to grow up in 54 years and the best he can do is give us alternate news sources and left wing hate... Maybe when an admin comes in they'll be able to imsee that it was peaceful until he came in and attacked everyone... Kaninja I see where you are coming from man and we've talked before so I won't go into it here or I might be attacked for having a different opinion than someone else in this thread... (Not you kaninja someone else in here)

 
Sorry, but NY Times, Washington Post, CNBC, and Time mag are hardly "alternate news sources and left wing hate". I didn't attack anyone, I was attacking some of these dumb memes and ideas until a couple of you decided to attack me. Get your story straight and/or quit lying.
 
I have been in unions (Amalgamated Clothing and Textile Worker's) and a construction local, and it was actually some of the best employment I ever had because then, we were paid good wages/bennies, had good working conditions, and the employer was not allowed to screw us over. If they tried it they got fined heavily or shut down and rightly so. Of course, that was before the upper union management was wholly usurped and bought off by the companies they were supposed to be helping to stay fair to the workers.
 
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, man!
 
 

BF3PRO

Greenfire
On topic: which open-carrier is going to die first in Tex-ass from not being quick enough on the draw, pardner?

Depends on who wants to try...

 
That's good. It'll at least be one less gun nut.

BF3PRO
I'm sure every gun owner and open carrier is a "nut" and needs psychiatric help....

 
How would anyone know? The only "psychiatry" they have in 1850's wild west Texas now is the psychiatry of shooting someone.