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Nvidia made it official that new GPUs would be limited in hash rate: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/05/18/lhr/ How will this impact the queue, will existing people in the queue be migrated to the LHR version automatically, or will it be a new line/model of GPU with it's own queue?
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 08:38:47
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Pretty lame in my case, I do both gaming and a bit of mining on the side when not gaming.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 08:39:06
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It literally won't make a difference
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 08:53:13
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So no new queues for LHR, the existing queue people will the new cards? Or will EVGA not ever make them?
I guess what I'm wondering is if the LHR will be made, and if it'll be a separate model.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 08:53:22
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It literally won't make a difference
I think the question was not whether it will actually decrease the demand from miners (it will not), just whether EVGA will have new queues. And as I understand the official answer above is "no".
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:20:44
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So no new queues for LHR, the existing queue people will the new cards? Or will EVGA not ever make them?
I guess what I'm wondering is if the LHR will be made, and if it'll be a separate model.
I am hoping they are separate cards, from my understanding they are different model numbers so if you are in queue you won't get one of the "new" cards?
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:23:47
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Yeah I don't think miners who are making money care about the evga queue
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:36:53
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Jacob said on stream that they should have new part numbers for LHR cards.
That sounds like new queues to me, since, every queue is for a specific queue.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:37:39
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The question is really will they have new model numbers. If yes, then there will be new queues for those models. If no, then they will just be sold as the current models under the current queues. Either way it doesn't affect the current queues, until the old models run out. My guess is that they just keep the same model numbers and just slide them right in with the old cards. Then the old cards become EOL and very quickly all new cards sent out are LHR, but under the old model number.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:39:00
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Jacob said on stream that they should have new part numbers for LHR cards.
If that's the case then there will be new queues. Giving everyone who wants it a retry at getting into the queues early.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:42:36
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There should be new ques for the LHR models. It'll be disappointing for those of us already in que but that would make the most sense to prevent mix up of the regular and LHR cards
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:42:42
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☼ Best Answerby z999z3mystorys 2021/05/29 09:12:20
The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:48:23
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Thanks for the update Jacob
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:49:16
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
Thanks for the clarification Jacob. So most likely no new queues guys. It makes the most sense. It would be horrible to have been waiting in a queue all this time only for your model to go EOL right before the queue gets to you.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 09:49:52
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
That makes complete sense still rewarding those who are queued up. All that needs to be done is to inform queue members of the new status of the card they would be receiving and they can decide if they want to skip their queue position or still purchase when their number is called.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:19:58
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
It's a tangent but related to LHR cards, how will this affect warranty returns? If someone has to warranty a non-LHR card, will you send an LHR card in return? That's be a downgrade for the cards capabilities and resale potential. That'd be like doing a warranty return on a 3060TI and getting a 3060 in return.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:22:09
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
Thank you for the clarification. I'm a bit surprised that the cues will be migrated.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:23:54
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
It's a tangent but related to LHR cards, how will this affect warranty returns? If someone has to warranty a non-LHR card, will you send an LHR card in return? That's be a downgrade for the cards capabilities and resale potential. That'd be like doing a warranty return on a 3060TI and getting a 3060 in return.
Only if you were using it for mining. A 'general' user won't care.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:24:12
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Not a miner. Consider it sometimes but I'd rather just game with my GPU. At the very least this is an attempt by nvidia to combat the demand for non-gaming GPU purposes, so it's better than nothing, though I doubt it'll affect things very much.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:24:48
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
thank you for the information about how it will work.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:27:33
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
Wooooooooooooh. So the 3080 FTW3 will migrate to the new LHR queue? I'm guessing that is in the hopes of the miners coming back saying "Nope, I don't want that"? Unfortunately, I think we'll just turn miners into scalpers LOL They will still take the cards and they will be on e-bay the next day. There is no right answer unless we all jump on the Partridge Family Bus and drive around shootin'
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:33:14
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
It's a tangent but related to LHR cards, how will this affect warranty returns? If someone has to warranty a non-LHR card, will you send an LHR card in return? That's be a downgrade for the cards capabilities and resale potential. That'd be like doing a warranty return on a 3060TI and getting a 3060 in return.
Only if you were using it for mining.
A 'general' user won't care.
A general user will care if the resale value of the card is 30% less than its LHR counterpart. Every gamer I know mines at night while they are sleeping for extra $. Also for those in the step-up queue, this is the 3nd slap to the face. The first is that they've been waiting since Sept, second is that they've been hit with the price hike, third will be that they're not getting a lesser grade card than what EVGA agreed to give them when applying to the Step-Up Program.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:36:22
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
It's a tangent but related to LHR cards, how will this affect warranty returns? If someone has to warranty a non-LHR card, will you send an LHR card in return? That's be a downgrade for the cards capabilities and resale potential. That'd be like doing a warranty return on a 3060TI and getting a 3060 in return.
That's a great question. I don't think my 3090 is going to get touched by LHR so I should be in the clear but I would be livid if I got sent an LHR 3080 if I had to RMA by non LHR card. I enjoy gaming first but I also enjoy playing around with crypto.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:41:00
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
So does that mean there will only be one SKU? so at some point there will only be LHR cards? Just curious if the people that signed up for a non-LHR card will have the opportunity to buy a non-LHR or they will be forced into the LHR one.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:42:51
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
It's a tangent but related to LHR cards, how will this affect warranty returns? If someone has to warranty a non-LHR card, will you send an LHR card in return? That's be a downgrade for the cards capabilities and resale potential. That'd be like doing a warranty return on a 3060TI and getting a 3060 in return.
That's a great question. I don't think my 3090 is going to get touched by LHR so I should be in the clear but I would be livid if I got sent an LHR 3080 if I had to RMA by non LHR card. I enjoy gaming first but I also enjoy playing around with crypto.
EVGA's own warranty claim says Products sent in for RMA will be repaired and returned or replaced with a thoroughly tested recertified product of equal or greater performance - as compared to the originally registered graphics card - and without regard for the MSRP or technical specifications of the originally registered graphics card. Source: https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/
Now it is true that damage caused by crypto mining is not covered, but if the warranty is for any other reason, they'd still have to honor it. Any damages to the components, hardware and/or assembly of the Products including but not limited to damages caused as a result of neglect, abuse, accidents, misuse, or unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress (including due to uninterrupted use of the Products, or use of the Products for blockchain processing, cryptocurrency mining, or similar purposes). For context, I'm a open source software developer, and I've been wanting to get into AI/ML development. Since nvidia is being so tight lipped about how this LHR is supposed to work, I'm somewhat concerned that some computer workloads might be mistaken for mining based on their increased memory and computation workload. Nvidia wont give details because that'll then tip their hat about what they're doing and then people might be able to find a way around it. But absent a clear explanation (which they wont ever give), its up in the air as to what the 2nd and 3rd order effects of what any has limitation will do. Will it nerf the card for generating rainbow tables for security research? Who knows. There are tons of reasons someone could not want a LHR card that aren't that they plan to mine 24/7 on a that card. I have a friend who is big into 3d rendering, he's worried that this will have unintended consequences for all CUDA workloads on GeForce cards, which is what his rendering software uses.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:46:43
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
So does that mean there will only be one SKU? so at some point there will only be LHR cards? Just curious if the people that signed up for a non-LHR card will have the opportunity to buy a non-LHR or they will be forced into the LHR one.
They wont be "forced" per se.. they can choose not to buy the card. But it seems from his statement that if its after some date... you will only be given the option to buy an LHR card.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:48:20
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I am trying to hang on to non LHR cards, but my wallet is only so deep :D
That 3090 kingpin hc will probably be my last card purchase for awhile, just waiting on a nice drop of them to the queue :D
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:54:13
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Any damages to the components, hardware and/or assembly of the Products including but not limited to damages caused as a result of neglect, abuse, accidents, misuse, or unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress (including due to uninterrupted use of the Products, or use of the Products for blockchain processing, cryptocurrency mining, or similar purposes).
I did not know that. I was going to mine on my 3090 FTW but I suppose now I will just mine on my non EVGA cards.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 10:57:23
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
That's bogus. New part number, new product page, new queue. You can't sell a 3080 LHR as a 3080 if they are materially different products. Don't be ADATA.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 11:00:12
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Any damages to the components, hardware and/or assembly of the Products including but not limited to damages caused as a result of neglect, abuse, accidents, misuse, or unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress (including due to uninterrupted use of the Products, or use of the Products for blockchain processing, cryptocurrency mining, or similar purposes).
I did not know that. I was going to mine on my 3090 FTW but I suppose now I will just mine on my non EVGA cards.
GeForce cards were never spec'd for 100% 24/7 usage. That was one of the selling points of the Quadro line of cards. Those are certified for 100% load for 24/7 for years on end. If you're mining 8 hours at night and aren't seriously pushing the memory to its limits, I doubt there'd be any issues. But that's a long way away from what the industrial miners are doing, those people are slogging the hell out of cards. It makes sense that EVGA wouldn't warranty for that because that's well outside the intended use of any GeForce card. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't warranty people using a GPU as a door stop either. :P
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