RomanHavran1989
Also people looking to mine - new cards such as 3080Ti and 3070Ti and possibly also 3090Ti (unknown yet) - will be LHR eventhough they will be not marked as LHR because there are no non-LHR counterparts so Nvidia seemed to think the marking is not needed. They will be LHR, so do not get fooled.

I think this is a good change, since Nvidia has dedicated mining cards now.  

RomanHavran1989

ty_ger07

EVGA_JacobF
The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.

Let's say that you signed up for the queue 6 months ago, you don't want a LHR model, and your queue position is called.  Will it be transparent to the buyer which model they will be receiving?  And will they have a choice in the short-term (while supplies last)?
 
I can see people wanting to own a non-LHR model (while supplies last) in order to make some money on the side, or have increased used market value in the future.

EVGA has to specify what you are buying - and the products will have different numbers because theyre different products so even if the queue is merged, you should still know what you are buying and of course decline if it is a LHR card and you do not want it.

Yes, but since they signed up for the non-LHR queue originally, will they have a chance to get a non-LHR card (while supplies last) when their number is called, or are they effectively kicked from the queue as a matter of choice?
In other words, by merging the queues, EVGA could be effectively removing them from the queue they wanted to be in.
Does this not make sense to you? It's not a matter of having the choice to decline, it's a matter of having the choice to accept the card that they want (while supplies last).

Let's put it another way:
Let's say that 50 LHR cards are available today, but 20 non-LHR cards will be available next week. The 50 LHR cards causes your queue position to advance to the point that your number is called. EVGA offers you a LHR card. If you don't want the LHR card, can you decline the LHR card and stay in the queue for the non-LHR card next week, or are you just kicked out if the queue completely?

Outofstock4ever
isn't the queue supposed to allow gamers to get cards? why should EVGA care about the miners problems? want to get a mining card, leave the queue and let gamers get a card

As GamersNexus pointed out, LHR cards will have a lower resale value (at least for a period of time), so even gamers (the ones who know better) will care.

ty_ger07

RomanHavran1989

ty_ger07

EVGA_JacobF
The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.

Let's say that you signed up for the queue 6 months ago, you don't want a LHR model, and your queue position is called.  Will it be transparent to the buyer which model they will be receiving?  And will they have a choice in the short-term (while supplies last)?
 
I can see people wanting to own a non-LHR model (while supplies last) in order to make some money on the side, or have increased used market value in the future.

EVGA has to specify what you are buying - and the products will have different numbers because theyre different products so even if the queue is merged, you should still know what you are buying and of course decline if it is a LHR card and you do not want it.

Yes, but since they signed up for the non-LHR queue originally, will they have a chance to get a non-LHR card (while supplies last) when their number is called, or are they effectively kicked from the queue as a matter of choice?
In other words, by merging the queues, EVGA could be effectively removing them from the queue they wanted to be in.
Does this not make sense to you? It's not a matter of having the choice to decline, it's a matter of having the choice to accept the card that they want (while supplies last).

Let me put it this way - you are very, very unlikely to get a non-LHR GPU from the queue from now on. So yeah, that is why EVGA decided to not make a new queue because at the current pace you would get your non-LHR in like, never - and it makes no sense to have two queues where one is dead anyway. Also from a business point of view - if you are EVGA - do you want people in a queue that gets no products and makes you no money or you try to merge them with a queue where you actually can get cards eventhough they are only LHR. Honestly, the non-LHR cards are dead at this point and you will be lucky to get your hands on one.

RomanHavran1989

ty_ger07

RomanHavran1989

ty_ger07

EVGA_JacobF
The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.

Let's say that you signed up for the queue 6 months ago, you don't want a LHR model, and your queue position is called.  Will it be transparent to the buyer which model they will be receiving?  And will they have a choice in the short-term (while supplies last)?

I can see people wanting to own a non-LHR model (while supplies last) in order to make some money on the side, or have increased used market value in the future.

EVGA has to specify what you are buying - and the products will have different numbers because theyre different products so even if the queue is merged, you should still know what you are buying and of course decline if it is a LHR card and you do not want it.

Yes, but since they signed up for the non-LHR queue originally, will they have a chance to get a non-LHR card (while supplies last) when their number is called, or are they effectively kicked from the queue as a matter of choice?
In other words, by merging the queues, EVGA could be effectively removing them from the queue they wanted to be in.
Does this not make sense to you? It's not a matter of having the choice to decline, it's a matter of having the choice to accept the card that they want (while supplies last).

Let me put it this way - you are very, very unlikely to get a non-LHR GPU from the queue from now on. So yeah, that is why EVGA decided to not make a new queue because at the current pace you would get your non-LHR in like, never - and it makes no sense to have two queues where one is dead anyway. Also from a business point of view - if you are EVGA - do you want people in a queue that gets no products and makes you no money or you try to merge them with a queue where you actually can get cards eventhough they are only LHR. Honestly, the non-LHR cards are dead at this point and you will be lucky to get your hands on one.

As GamersNexus pointed out, the non-LHR cards will continue to be manufactured for a period of time, and will be desirable.
I agree that it will be hard to get your hands on them due to desirability, but isn't that exactly what this queue is supposed to be for? To get your hards on things which are hard to obtain otherwise?

Outofstock4ever

ty_ger07

Outofstock4ever

ty_ger07
As GamersNexus pointed out, LHR cards will have a lower resale value (at least for a period of time), so even gamers (the ones who know better) will care.

if you want a card from the queue to resale then EVGA should just kick you out from it anyway. I would if i were in charge

Is this communist Russia? Let's not be blinded by ideology. Let's be honest: as an owner, every owner wants the thing they own to have the minimum number of restrictions. It's only from the viewpoint of a jealous non-owner that you think your current condemning thoughts.

1) You have never sold anything used in your entire lifetime? Hypocrite. I'm talking about used retail value. In 6 months, if you want to sell your video card, a LHR model will likely have a lower used market value than a non-LHR model.
2) This may come as a shock, but there are many gamers who also mine during their off-hours to recoup some of their video card's cost.

the worst restriction is not being able to get a card because of scalpers and miners

Yes, I understand that you are a jealous non-owner.
 
Regardless of why one version is perceived to have greater or less value, and regardless of whether you agree with the reason that one has greater or less value, as an owner, you will want to own the version which is less restrictive and has a greater perceived value.  This will cause demand for the non-LHR version to be higher, and my question is whether EVGA will let potential buyers -- who have been waiting in queue for 6 months for a non-LHR model -- have the choice to buy the non-LHR model which they were waiting for and perceive to be more desirable.
 
Otherwise, from my view, the desirable non-LHR models will be "botted and scalped" by traditional means, and EVGA will be doing a disservice by not offering the more desirable models to the queue which is designed to make desirable things attainable for those who wait.

   I hope people realize that EVGA has little control over whether they receive LHR GPU DIEs. This is less of a discussion and more of speculation. IF my GPU won't have a full hash rate I won't be keeping my 2070 Super. I want the best gaming and development GPU I can afford not the best slot machine. I have nothing against crypto miners and neither should anyone else here. They don't dictate the market. The market was already in jeopardy of supply and demand issues thanks to a worldwide pandemic. The majority of these GPUs are made in China as most of us know so it was becoming an issue before this crypto fever took over. I just want faster development tools and even better gaming and VR. As long as they don't start adding FRLs (Frame rate limiters) I'll be good lol
 

Im sure that this update will help :D, I'm grinding for elite! I can't wait to get the 3070 ti or 3080 ti

Anassaidi
I do hope that they don't add LHR because the card will be more valueable

3070Ti and 3080Ti will be LHR but will not be marked as LHR because there is no non-LHR variants of the card. So be careful if you want either of those cards for mining.

Do people honestly believe that Nvidia took the time to make sure all games, editing software, simulations, etc. are unaffected by the LHR limiter?

 
I'm sure 99.9% of people will be fine with their use cases but talk about getting screwed if something goes wrong in the software ya use. 
 

gsrcrxsi

Bora1114
Do people honestly believe that Nvidia took the time to make sure all games, editing software, simulations, etc. are unaffected by the LHR limiter?

 
I'm sure 99.9% of people will be fine with their use cases but talk about getting screwed if something goes wrong in the software ya use. 
 

they don't have to. it only targets the ETH algorithm, and it's mothodology for effecting ETH and nothing else has already been demonstrated with the 3060.
 
you don't have to prove that the square peg doesn't fit in the round hole, or triangle, or any other non-round shape. just that the round peg fits in the round hole.

There is no way to know yet that some part of a different piece of software looks close enough to the eth algo that it gets flagged. The issue becomes an issue when something that is a cylinder fits into the round hole when the hole was made for a sphere. 
 
There has not been enough testing, nor enough time to show everything works correctly. Maybe once LHR cards hit reasonable levels of usage in steam hardware surveys and there are no reports of issues in particular programs than skepticism would no longer be warranted. 
 
 
 

Even though I am astronomically far behind in the 3080 queue, I believe that there should be one list for LHR/Non-LHR queue. If gamers get the same performance and miners can still turn profit despite limits, then why should there be different queue. 

People will crack the blocks, even if they're hardware. Also, I don't buy that crypto miners took all the supply. People are still gonna scalp the **** outta these cards.

firerain

Outofstock4ever

gsrcrxsi
this is not the case and has been proven/demonstrated many many times. what you're posting is just FUD.
 
used mining cards are often better cared for than most gaming or overclocking used cards. they run them at reduced power limits and temps for better efficiency. less power use = more profit. cooler temps = less cooling needed = more profit. lower power and lower temps = less stress on the card = longer life. 

even if it's true that they downclock and undervolt the cards or whatever, many of the components on the pcb have a lifespan in terms of usage so what you're saying is nowhere the truth and a lie repeated many times doesn't make it true. No gamer even if they OC have their cards running 24/7 or even if it was 12/7, and they are made to handle even OC gaming loads, but not the insane hours of usage. That's why most brands deny warranty for mining use.

I run games 24/7. Especially games that require farming. Not only 24/7 but at 100% cpu and 100% gpu. As long as the temps are ok cards should last normal life.

Most people don't understand thermal cycling. Material subjected to repeated heating and cooling will eventually suffer damage from the expansion and contraction. During gaming, most people allow their card to rapidly change temps during usage. In comparison, a card running at a steady temperature even if high will last longer because the material is not constantly expanding and contracting. 
 
In the end, most people wont see a difference within the cards normal lifetime. Imperfections with the card or damage by the user are more likely to cause premature failure over gaming or mining. Saying a mining card will last 22 years doesn't mean much if a gaming card can still last 18. 
 
I've got a GS 7200, HD 6950, r9 290 all still running fine. Keep your cards cool, clean, and ya should be good. 

let's be honest. there are only about 8-12 months left for Eth mining before Eth moves to Proof of Stake.   This isn't going to drastically effect the "used" market, once Eth moves to POS. as allot of those cards will be dumped onto the used market.  As far as moving to alternative coins.  that's not very likely either as, there isn't any network that could remain profitable once the HASH of eth migrates to it.  
 
none of this solves the underlying problem.  designing a retail/channel system that allows consumers to compete with bots/scalpers/large mining operations.  
 
retailers/aib board partners/nvidia/amd all have a vested interest in meeting the demand of consumers (gamers, miners, ai researchers).  the problem is Scalpers are buying up all the supply and then flipping it at 3-4x MSRP.   that's the problem.  and it's killing the market for PC Gaming.  this will trickle down to Developers and Publishing studios eventually because nobody can build systems to run the latest AAA titles.  
 
Long term, Retailers/Board Partners need a "Direct Buy" w/Verification process to allow people who want a product to be able to backorder and wait.
 
EVGA queue program is a nice effort, but it's woefully under supplied.  the bulk of evga's products goto retailers, not direct evga store sales.  
 
I should be able to buy a card from bestbuy and wait for that card to ship from evga.   not compete with 5 million other people all hitting a website as new inventory stocks.
 
scalpers will cont to hoover up the supply and flip it on ebay as long as they are able to cont to get supply from wholesalers, retailers.