msdmoney
Makes sense that the queue would transition over that way those in the queue wouldn't lose their spots. Though selfishly I was hoping for a new queue.

phroze

homestyle
So regular 3000 are no longer in production?
 
If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing.
 
It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.

I completely agree. They are segregating the market so that they can force miners to buy miner specific cards. By doing so they are removing miner cards from the third party for gamers to purchase used. Pretty horrible. Now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a new card.

You are saying there will be less of a used market for gamers because the mining cards won't be available used? I mean in comparison to what we have now, where used and new are at inflated prices? Right now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a very expensive new or used card....or wait and jump through a million obstacles to try an win the lottery for a card. I get there are an unprecedented number of factors impacting supply and demand right now, but we encountered this situation to an extent once before when GPU's went scarce because mining increased in value a few years ago. Do cards need to be jacks of all trades? The market is already segregated for non-gaming commercial cards, cards that have specific uses.
 
I'm skeptical that their will be any impact of this segregation, but I'm also skeptical that things will be worse than they already are because of it. I'm skeptical that creating mining specific cards didn't take away supply from the GPU cards.
 
It seems that those most impacted will be those that want to mine and game on the same card.
 

phroze

TheDoctorCMG

phroze

TheDoctorCMG
I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.

Gamer first miner second here. If you hope this works you are part of the problem and are OK with what Nvidia is trying to do. P.S. they do not want to help you one bit.

I am completely okay with them trying to make miners stick to dedicated hardware rather than cut corners and take the easy path with gaming GPUs. 

A little education for you. Where do you think miner GPUs go when they are done with them? Yes gamers buy them used for a good deal. CMP cards just create E waste. Nvidia is affectively destroying the used market so that you don't have a choice but to buy from them. If you are ok with that, like I said previously, you are part of the problem.

 
If that were the case, then why is the used market for cards so expensive now?  I can sell my 1070 for more than I bought it for new...

It will greatly impact the used market. Remember that what we are experiencing right now is not the normal. Nvidia is a greedy company that is doing what it can to stop you from purchasing the used card when crypto tanks. They will also be filling landfills with the CMP junk.

It's funny that EVGA has "uninterrupted use" and "similar purposes" listed in their warranty terms, when they themselves have EVGA teams on both Folding@home and BOINC, which undoubtedly fall into this category.
 
but at the end of the day, they only know how the card is being used based on what you tell them. when making a warranty RMA, just run some gaming benchmarks as your reasoning to show that the card is defective (assuming it's not totally broken).

phroze

TheDoctorCMG

phroze

TheDoctorCMG

phroze

TheDoctorCMG
I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.

Gamer first miner second here. If you hope this works you are part of the problem and are OK with what Nvidia is trying to do. P.S. they do not want to help you one bit.

I am completely okay with them trying to make miners stick to dedicated hardware rather than cut corners and take the easy path with gaming GPUs. 

A little education for you. Where do you think miner GPUs go when they are done with them? Yes gamers buy them used for a good deal. CMP cards just create E waste. Nvidia is affectively destroying the used market so that you don't have a choice but to buy from them. If you are ok with that, like I said previously, you are part of the problem.

I am perfectly happy seeing the used market go back to where it used to be, with actually good deals rather than marked up crap. Right now used GPUs are being sold for stupid amounts of money and will continue to do so when gaming isn't the main purpose behind the purchase decision. A few years ago, you could get previous generation hardware for around half of the original MSRP. Right now, you're lucky if you only pay full retail price for a used GPU because of what some simple mining can bring to the end user. Once you take that value away, the used market can exist as it used to. 

You are thinking only about right this second and not 2 months from now when crypto tanks and the market is flooded with used GPUs at a good price. Think big picture. Right now is not the norm. 

Please let me know the California lottery numbers too if you're so adept at predicting the future my friend. We had a crypto pop, then a brand new wave. It'll keep happening and unless they can find a more permanent solution like segmenting the GPUs, this whole thing would happen in exactly the same way as soon as there is another crypto boom. Treat the cause not the symptom.

phroze

msdmoney
Makes sense that the queue would transition over that way those in the queue wouldn't lose their spots. Though selfishly I was hoping for a new queue.

phroze

homestyle
So regular 3000 are no longer in production?
 
If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing.
 
It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.

I completely agree. They are segregating the market so that they can force miners to buy miner specific cards. By doing so they are removing miner cards from the third party for gamers to purchase used. Pretty horrible. Now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a new card.

You are saying there will be less of a used market for gamers because the mining cards won't be available used? I mean in comparison to what we have now, where used and new are at inflated prices? Right now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a very expensive new or used card....or wait and jump through a million obstacles to try an win the lottery for a card. I get there are an unprecedented number of factors impacting supply and demand right now, but we encountered this situation to an extent once before when GPU's went scarce because mining increased in value a few years ago. Do cards need to be jacks of all trades? The market is already segregated for non-gaming commercial cards, cards that have specific uses.
 
I'm skeptical that their will be any impact of this segregation, but I'm also skeptical that things will be worse than they already are because of it. I'm skeptical that creating mining specific cards didn't take away supply from the GPU cards.
 
It seems that those most impacted will be those that want to mine and game on the same card.
 

phroze

TheDoctorCMG

phroze

TheDoctorCMG
I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.

Gamer first miner second here. If you hope this works you are part of the problem and are OK with what Nvidia is trying to do. P.S. they do not want to help you one bit.

I am completely okay with them trying to make miners stick to dedicated hardware rather than cut corners and take the easy path with gaming GPUs. 

A little education for you. Where do you think miner GPUs go when they are done with them? Yes gamers buy them used for a good deal. CMP cards just create E waste. Nvidia is affectively destroying the used market so that you don't have a choice but to buy from them. If you are ok with that, like I said previously, you are part of the problem.

 
If that were the case, then why is the used market for cards so expensive now?  I can sell my 1070 for more than I bought it for new...

It will greatly impact the used market. Remember that what we are experiencing right now is not the normal. Nvidia is a greedy company that is doing what it can to stop you from purchasing the used card when crypto tanks. They will also be filling landfills with the CMP junk.

So we have the hypothetical armageddon of used video card problem once crypto tanks, vs the current problem of all used and new cards being significantly overpriced.
 

phroze

TheDoctorCMG

phroze

TheDoctorCMG

phroze

TheDoctorCMG

phroze

TheDoctorCMG
I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.

Gamer first miner second here. If you hope this works you are part of the problem and are OK with what Nvidia is trying to do. P.S. they do not want to help you one bit.

I am completely okay with them trying to make miners stick to dedicated hardware rather than cut corners and take the easy path with gaming GPUs. 

A little education for you. Where do you think miner GPUs go when they are done with them? Yes gamers buy them used for a good deal. CMP cards just create E waste. Nvidia is affectively destroying the used market so that you don't have a choice but to buy from them. If you are ok with that, like I said previously, you are part of the problem.

I am perfectly happy seeing the used market go back to where it used to be, with actually good deals rather than marked up crap. Right now used GPUs are being sold for stupid amounts of money and will continue to do so when gaming isn't the main purpose behind the purchase decision. A few years ago, you could get previous generation hardware for around half of the original MSRP. Right now, you're lucky if you only pay full retail price for a used GPU because of what some simple mining can bring to the end user. Once you take that value away, the used market can exist as it used to. 

You are thinking only about right this second and not 2 months from now when crypto tanks and the market is flooded with used GPUs at a good price. Think big picture. Right now is not the norm. 

Please let me know the California lottery numbers too if you're so adept at predicting the future my friend. We had a crypto pop, then a brand new wave. It'll keep happening and unless they can find a more permanent solution like segmenting the GPUs, this whole thing would happen in exactly the same way as soon as there is another crypto boom. Treat the cause not the symptom.

You do know that 1559 is right around the corner (July) and that ETH is moving to proof of stake? ETH mining will be gone forever at the end of this year no matter what. You don't need to predict the future when the schedule is already out.

yeah, but another alt coin will just take its place. miners gonna mine, gamers gonna game. scalpers gonna scalp.

Mining will still be an issue even after ETH forks as there are countless other crypto out there and the next big craze will continue the drought of cards.

It's during the reprieve between that'll allow gamers to finally have a chance of acquiring a card at decent prices.

What has been said about the CMP cards are correct, all they will do is create e-waste at the end. Ngreedia really took a mistep on it for the pure greed of profits.

hpak53
Mining will still be an issue even after ETH forks as there are countless other crypto out there and the next big craze will continue the drought of cards.

It's during the reprieve between that'll allow gamers to finally have a chance of acquiring a card at decent prices.

What has been said about the CMP cards are correct, all they will do is create e-waste at the end. Ngreedia really took a mistep on it for the pure greed of profits.

Agreed, it will always be an issue but I think people are stuck in the moment. Crypto is down a lot more than it is up historically. The recent upswing has only been since January. Hard telling though. 

msromike

jimbopoppins
Yeah I don't think miners who are making money care about the evga queue

LOL! Right!?

It will still affect it though. If the market is less constrained the queue wouldn't be so full.

talon951
There are other profitable coins, although they are quite a bit behind ETH right now.

https://whattomine.com/

And they have much lower market cap

talon951
Although as a casual miner anyway using my gaming cards, RVN current profitability wouldn't be appealing.

Things could change at the end of the year though. We will see. I am holding off buying more cards till then. Would like to build a dedicated mining rig but for now it's mine and my kids gaming rigs mining on the side.

  Wow! Touchy subject? lol First of all an Nvidia GPU is an Nvidia GPU whether it be a Graphics application or Computational application (Deep machine learning/mining). The Graphics GPU has to have display outputs and the CMP GPU needs no output, right? This means the CMP cards are actually cheaper to make and Display GPUs cost more. Nvidia hasn't stopped making non-hash rate limiter GPUs or there would be no CMP line. What they are doing is a pure PR stunt. 
  Nvidia: "We are going to add a hash rate limiter to ensure there are GPUs for gamers (miners lol)". Then they turn around and sell a ton of non-limited GPUs for nearly double the MSRP of a Display GPU. Then sell us a hash rate-limited GPU for top dollar that has lost a huge portion of its resale value.
   I just sold 2 GPUs on eBay and I set the bids very reasonable. They were both bought by cryptocurrency miners despite my full disclosure of these cards being better at gaming than mining. 1 of the buyers paid $540 +shipping and taxes for a Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 8GB! I listed it for $220! I know that EVGA doesn't make the GPU DIE so they are 100% clear of this BS. I also can live with not mining on my primary development and gaming PC. Cryptocurrency is not a bad word nor is it a bad idea. It simply has played a larger role in GPU shortages due to much bigger issues in production. If someone pays $1000 or $100 for a GPU it belongs to them and therefore whether they use it to game or mine is their own business. I know a lot of hardcore gamers that run Nicehash while they aren't on their PC gaming to help pay for their GPUs. Just my take. Best Regards no matter what you do with your GPU lol
 
EDIT: I buy my GPUs broken on eBay then repair them for my miner because of the E-Waste problem we already face. An RX 580 8GB might be a 2017 GPU but it can Hash 32-35 MH/s at around 100W and most gamers aren't looking to score a 4 generation old GPU lol

phroze

msdmoney

phroze

msdmoney
Makes sense that the queue would transition over that way those in the queue wouldn't lose their spots. Though selfishly I was hoping for a new queue.

phroze

homestyle
So regular 3000 are no longer in production?
 
If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing.
 
It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.

I completely agree. They are segregating the market so that they can force miners to buy miner specific cards. By doing so they are removing miner cards from the third party for gamers to purchase used. Pretty horrible. Now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a new card.

You are saying there will be less of a used market for gamers because the mining cards won't be available used? I mean in comparison to what we have now, where used and new are at inflated prices? Right now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a very expensive new or used card....or wait and jump through a million obstacles to try an win the lottery for a card. I get there are an unprecedented number of factors impacting supply and demand right now, but we encountered this situation to an extent once before when GPU's went scarce because mining increased in value a few years ago. Do cards need to be jacks of all trades? The market is already segregated for non-gaming commercial cards, cards that have specific uses.
 
I'm skeptical that their will be any impact of this segregation, but I'm also skeptical that things will be worse than they already are because of it. I'm skeptical that creating mining specific cards didn't take away supply from the GPU cards.
 
It seems that those most impacted will be those that want to mine and game on the same card.
 

phroze

TheDoctorCMG

phroze

TheDoctorCMG
I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.

Gamer first miner second here. If you hope this works you are part of the problem and are OK with what Nvidia is trying to do. P.S. they do not want to help you one bit.

I am completely okay with them trying to make miners stick to dedicated hardware rather than cut corners and take the easy path with gaming GPUs. 

A little education for you. Where do you think miner GPUs go when they are done with them? Yes gamers buy them used for a good deal. CMP cards just create E waste. Nvidia is affectively destroying the used market so that you don't have a choice but to buy from them. If you are ok with that, like I said previously, you are part of the problem.

 
If that were the case, then why is the used market for cards so expensive now?  I can sell my 1070 for more than I bought it for new...

It will greatly impact the used market. Remember that what we are experiencing right now is not the normal. Nvidia is a greedy company that is doing what it can to stop you from purchasing the used card when crypto tanks. They will also be filling landfills with the CMP junk.

So we have the hypothetical armageddon of used video card problem once crypto tanks, vs the current problem of all used and new cards being significantly overpriced.
 

The limiter only limits ETH which will not me able to be mined here shortly anyways. The current problem would exist with or without miners. 

How do you figure that the current problem would be what it is with or without miners.... 
 
If the limiter only limits ETH which won't be able to be mined shortly anyways, then why does it matter?

Think I'm putting to much hope in the hash limiter as it's only for eth and for sure they'll be many more profitable coins to mine, and then we'll see if Nvidia cares and updates it, but I have a feeling they won't..

I sincerely hope there is no more regular 3000 cards from now on, want to mine buy the mining version cards.
 
And of course it is the cause of the shortage, you just have to see the pictures with people with something like 5 to 79 to hundreds of cards.
 
 

msdmoney

aliop1

phroze

homestyle
So regular 3000 are no longer in production?

If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing.

It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.

I completely agree. They are segregating the market so that they can force miners to buy miner specific cards. By doing so they are removing miner cards from the third party for gamers to purchase used. Pretty horrible. Now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a new card.

But guys! The miners are the cause of all of our problems! It doesn’t matter if they segregate the market, cause tons of e-waste, and destroy the 2nd hand market because I got a GPU!! Yay NVIDIA! Applaud them for making a PR move that financially benefits them!

[In case it isn’t clear: the above is scarcasm]

Explain why the move would cause tons of e-waste, why wouldn't miners buy second hand cards?

He's saying that miners won't buy these cards (because if the low hash rate). Instead, NVIDIA is driving miners to buy mining-specific cards. Those mining-specific cards have no display connectors. So, when the miner retires the mining-specific card because it is no longer profitable, it becomes e-waste because it isn't something of any value on the used market for a gamer (due to the lack of ability to connect it to a monitor). He was talking about the used market for gamers; not the used market for miners.