gsrcrxsi
this is not the case and has been proven/demonstrated many many times. what you're posting is just FUD.

gsrcrxsi
this is not the case and has been proven/demonstrated many many times. what you're posting is just FUD.
 
used mining cards are often better cared for than most gaming or overclocking used cards. they run them at reduced power limits and temps for better efficiency. less power use = more profit. cooler temps = less cooling needed = more profit. lower power and lower temps = less stress on the card = longer life. 

gsrcrxsi
you hold just as much of "stranger" status as me, or anyone else. so yeah.

gsrcrxsi
I buy cards to use for scientific research, not a "quick buck".
 
but even if I did, is buying a card and holding it for 3 years considered making a "quick buck"? 3 years is quick?

ty_ger07

msdmoney

aliop1

phroze

homestyle
So regular 3000 are no longer in production?

If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing.

It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.

I completely agree. They are segregating the market so that they can force miners to buy miner specific cards. By doing so they are removing miner cards from the third party for gamers to purchase used. Pretty horrible. Now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a new card.

But guys! The miners are the cause of all of our problems! It doesn’t matter if they segregate the market, cause tons of e-waste, and destroy the 2nd hand market because I got a GPU!! Yay NVIDIA! Applaud them for making a PR move that financially benefits them!

[In case it isn’t clear: the above is scarcasm]

Explain why the move would cause tons of e-waste, why wouldn't miners buy second hand cards?

He's saying that miners won't buy these cards (because if the low hash rate). Instead, NVIDIA is driving miners to buy mining-specific cards. Those mining-specific cards have no display connectors. So, when the miner retires the mining-specific card because it is no longer profitable, it becomes e-waste because it isn't something of any value on the used market for a gamer (due to the lack of ability to connect it to a monitor). He was talking about the used market for gamers; not the used market for miners.

aliop1

msdmoney

ty_ger07

msdmoney

aliop1

phroze

homestyle
So regular 3000 are no longer in production?

If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing.

It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.

I completely agree. They are segregating the market so that they can force miners to buy miner specific cards. By doing so they are removing miner cards from the third party for gamers to purchase used. Pretty horrible. Now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a new card.

But guys! The miners are the cause of all of our problems! It doesn’t matter if they segregate the market, cause tons of e-waste, and destroy the 2nd hand market because I got a GPU!! Yay NVIDIA! Applaud them for making a PR move that financially benefits them!

[In case it isn’t clear: the above is scarcasm]

Explain why the move would cause tons of e-waste, why wouldn't miners buy second hand cards?

He's saying that miners won't buy these cards (because if the low hash rate). Instead, NVIDIA is driving miners to buy mining-specific cards. Those mining-specific cards have no display connectors. So, when the miner retires the mining-specific card because it is no longer profitable, it becomes e-waste because it isn't something of any value on the used market for a gamer (due to the lack of ability to connect it to a monitor). He was talking about the used market for gamers; not the used market for miners.

I'm trying to get at the root of this mantra that ewaste is the cause of all miners dislike at this move by nvidia.  It sure seems like a red herring to me.  As others have said, why can't miners buy used cards?  It's similar to games when a new generation come out and an older or few generations old card isn't the best anymore.  Can't another miner scoop up that card and mine, maybe not at the most efficient, or is only a gamer able to pick up the scraps to be a clearing house once miner is finished?  It seems a problem with mining then if the ecosystem can't support older cards.
 
Right now the system we have is inflated gpu prices, scalping, bots buying cards, with mining playing a big factor just like it did back in 2017/2018 gpu prices (though to a lesser extent).  And gamers are supposed to be against this move by nvidia because of ewaste, or it segments the market, or it will destroy the second hand market, because they are expected to buy the old cards once the miners are done with them so we don't have an ewaste problem.
 
The second hand market is already destroyed, older cards selling for more than they went for new....

The gamers that can’t afford a new GPU can (in normal times) get a used GPU cheaper than new. For them, a used mining GPU that’s cheap and has maybe a year or 2 left is better than no GPU at all. If they are lucky, it’s still in warranty.

TheDoctorCMG

msdmoney

I'm clear how the used market works. Again, we've been through this twice now in the past few years, where gamers can't get a new, or used card cheap, because of the demand brought on by mining.  If this was just this year we could chalk it up to supply and covid, but this has happened once before. It seems miners are very opposed to the market being segregated because it's going to hurt the used market for gamers? As if it hasn't already been hurt? Why wouldn't there just be a used market for miners? You are saying somehow the current system keeps things cheaper for gamers second hand when it's happened twice in the past few years when ETH has boomed. And again this thread is for gpu's that have a hash limiter, explain again how that hurts gamers?

I think another way to look at this is how nvidia has had to do similar things in the past. Such as how they have their enterprise cards segmented from their GeForce cards. In the end they're all GPUs, they are all capable of doing what the end user wants it to do, but if the corporations could just buy up boat loads of GeForce GPUs which are 5x cheaper than their enterprise versions, they absolutely would even when you factor in degradation because the GeForce cards aren't necessarily rated to be running 24/7. So they disabled enterprise specific features/functions on the GeForce cards, and sell them to gamers, so that they can then enable the features on Enterprise cards as well as provide extra support to them for a premium. And now nvidia sees an opportunity to profit both in public relations as well as financially if this whole CMP line and the new LHR cards can actually make a meaningful impact. Clearly they don't have an amazing track record considering the 3060 hash rate limiter was a flop, but if they can make this one stick, it opens the door for them to put in place restrictions on other crypto so that miners are forced into using ASICS or nvidia's CMP lineup. Yeah they are going to make a profit off of it, but if it works out, they are still helping their customers by providing options.

"But guys! The miners are the cause of all of our problems! It doesn’t matter if they segregate the market, cause tons of e-waste, and destroy the 2nd hand market because I got a GPU!! Yay NVIDIA! Applaud them for making a PR move that financially benefits them!

[In case it isn’t clear: the above is scarcasm]