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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 11:02:57
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
That's bogus. New part number, new product page, new queue. You can't sell a 3080 LHR as a 3080 if they are materially different products. Don't be ADATA.
I'm guessing that Nvidia wont be manufacturing and shipping EVGA non LHR dies, so EVGA is kinda screwed in a sense. They can only sell/ship what Nvidia sends them. I agree it should be a different SKU, but if you've already been waiting in a queue for months, better that you are ahead of the rest of the people than having to enter a new queue.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 11:12:32
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EVGA's own warranty claim says
Products sent in for RMA will be repaired and returned or replaced with a thoroughly tested recertified product of equal or greater performance - as compared to the originally registered graphics card - and without regard for the MSRP or technical specifications of the originally registered graphics card.
Source: Now it is true that damage caused by crypto mining is not covered, but if the warranty is for any other reason, they'd still have to honor it.
Any damages to the components, hardware and/or assembly of the Products including but not limited to damages caused as a result of neglect, abuse, accidents, misuse, or unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress (including due to uninterrupted use of the Products, or use of the Products for blockchain processing, cryptocurrency mining, or similar purposes).
I did not know this about EVGA cards (though I've only owned 1060 6gb cards), but how often does a card get destroyed or burned out from mining?!
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 11:22:01
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EVGA's own warranty claim says
Products sent in for RMA will be repaired and returned or replaced with a thoroughly tested recertified product of equal or greater performance - as compared to the originally registered graphics card - and without regard for the MSRP or technical specifications of the originally registered graphics card.
Source: Now it is true that damage caused by crypto mining is not covered, but if the warranty is for any other reason, they'd still have to honor it.
Any damages to the components, hardware and/or assembly of the Products including but not limited to damages caused as a result of neglect, abuse, accidents, misuse, or unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress (including due to uninterrupted use of the Products, or use of the Products for blockchain processing, cryptocurrency mining, or similar purposes).
I did not know this about EVGA cards (though I've only owned 1060 6gb cards), but how often does a card get destroyed or burned out from mining?!
I have several friends that have been hard core miners for years, and I've never heard of a card burning out from mining unless A) They underclocked the core and overclocked the memory to extreme amounts, B) Ran them at 100% load with those over/under clocks and C) Left the cards to overheat for long periods of time. So... in my perhaps uneducated guess... If you don't change the settings with Precision and you make sure the card doesn't overheat from bad airflow or inadequate cooling... you'll probably never cause any damage. But from what I've been told by my miner friends, the thermal paste does degrade when a card is pushed for 24/7 at 100% load, so you'd definitely want to check on the card temps regularly to make sure it's not degrading which would cause increased temps and may damage the card.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 11:25:49
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Actually if you don't change any settings, it's more likely to damage the card as all cards draw way too much power while mining at default. (and hence run hotter)
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 11:27:06
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Actually if you don't change any settings, it's more likely to damage the card as all cards draw way too much power while mining at default. (and hence run hotter)
That's a fact. When I mine I bring down the power limits to the 60s. Only thing that I overclock is the memory.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 12:05:46
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Is it confirmed that the decreased hash rate has no impact on gaming?
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 12:12:30
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The current plan is to migrate the existing queue into the new LHR parts when they are available.
It's a tangent but related to LHR cards, how will this affect warranty returns? If someone has to warranty a non-LHR card, will you send an LHR card in return? That's be a downgrade for the cards capabilities and resale potential. That'd be like doing a warranty return on a 3060TI and getting a 3060 in return.
Only if you were using it for mining.
A 'general' user won't care.
A general user will care if the resale value of the card is 30% less than its LHR counterpart.
Every gamer I know mines at night while they are sleeping for extra $.
Also for those in the step-up queue, this is the 3nd slap to the face. The first is that they've been waiting since Sept, second is that they've been hit with the price hike, third will be that they're not getting a lesser grade card than what EVGA agreed to give them when applying to the Step-Up Program.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 12:14:57
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Speaking for myself personally? I don't mine. At all. Not even dabble. So if anyone gets an LHR card and doesn't want it I'm available over here!!!!
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 12:20:54
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Is it confirmed that the decreased hash rate has no impact on gaming?
Highly unlikely. The card is looking for very specific usage of ETH mining. Unless these new cards are different than the 3060, it won't even limit mining of other coins.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 12:22:52
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Speaking for myself personally? I don't mine. At all. Not even dabble. So if anyone gets an LHR card and doesn't want it I'm available over here!!!!
Well the bad news is you can still mine on them and make a profit. Just not as much as a unlocked card. The other thing is that they are only limiting one coin hashrate. You can mine anything else no prob. The whole thing is just a money grap by nvidia. Why are they not limiting all mining to 0 and not the 3090?
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 12:25:23
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Is it confirmed that the decreased hash rate has no impact on gaming?
Highly unlikely. The card is looking for very specific usage of ETH mining. Unless these new cards are different than the 3060, it won't even limit mining of other coins.
This is my greatest concern
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 12:56:58
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I wonder if this will just make it harder to get a 3090 since it's not getting the limiter? Seems like it. Some percentage of 3080 buyers will decide to move up to a 3090 to avoid getting a gimped card.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 12:59:03
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talon951
I wonder if this will just make it harder to get a 3090 since it's not getting the limiter? Seems like it. Some percentage of 3080 buyers will decide to move up to a 3090 to avoid getting a gimped card.
I would think it would increase the demand. Maybe I will able to trade my 3090 for 5 3080s lol
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:03:26
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I wonder if this will just make it harder to get a 3090 since it's not getting the limiter? Seems like it. Some percentage of 3080 buyers will decide to move up to a 3090 to avoid getting a gimped card.
Isn't the 3080ti just a 3090 chip that couldn't meet that design spec? I've read that at places, but wasnt 100% sure. If that's the case, there's no reason to believe it wont hit the 3090. The only exception to this that I can think of is that there is a small potential to decrease performance by a few % points, and Nvidia doesn't want to risk it on their Flagship GPU so they can still claim the specs of their highest GeForce card. But they'll enable it on the 3090 chips that didn't meet performance specs during QA.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:10:00
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It will not impact the queue since miners will be scalpers to have their profit guaranteed. If they can buy they will to sell by bigger prices
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:10:18
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Speaking for myself personally? I don't mine. At all. Not even dabble. So if anyone gets an LHR card and doesn't want it I'm available over here!!!!
I'm in line behind mcarterstoner. Not a miner whatsoever. Just want to game and stream! An LHR 3080 or 3070 would be perfection!
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:12:49
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It will not impact the queue since miners will be scalpers to have their profit guaranteed. If they can buy they will to sell by bigger prices
Again but in coherent words please.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:16:47
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So regular 3000 are no longer in production? If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing. It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:22:01
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As I understand it there will be no more non LHR GPUs. All the new ones including 3070Ti and 3080Ti will have hash limiters in place. The only card that will be not affected is the 3090 because miners dont buy it anyway.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:22:05
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So regular 3000 are no longer in production?
If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing.
It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.
While I don't disagree that this appears to be shady, I don't see it as truly shady. Lots and lots of products fade from marketplaces. As long as it is clear to consumers exactly what they are buying (so they don't assume that they can mine on it like the original 3000 series cards) than it is a situation of a product disappearing from a market place and a different model replacing it. Keep in mind, I'm heavily biased as I'm not a miner, simply a GPU-starved gamer/first time builder. If the packaging clearly states LHR (or whatever marketing term they choose to label it as) than it is up to the purchaser to decide whether they still want to proceed with their purchase knowing that the specs have changed. That said, if I was a burgeoning cryptominer, I might be singing a different tune.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:22:30
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So regular 3000 are no longer in production?
If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing.
It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.
I completely agree. They are segregating the market so that they can force miners to buy miner specific cards. By doing so they are removing miner cards from the third party for gamers to purchase used. Pretty horrible. Now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a new card.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:26:55
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The real question is how much chips Ngreedia allocated to non-CMP cards. If they are shifting 90% of chip yields to their mining specific cards, it's not doing their core consumers (gamers), who made them who they are, any good.
I really hope that karma bites all of them in the butt... miners, scalpers, greedy distributors and Ngreedia
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:30:18
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I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:46:40
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I hope nvidia will keep updating the limiter, in case miners find a coin that's both profitable and bypasses it.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:50:56
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I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.
It will not. Should be still profitable even at 50% ETH.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 13:55:02
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I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.
Gamer first miner second here. If you hope this works you are part of the problem and are OK with what Nvidia is trying to do. P.S. they do not want to help you one bit.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 14:12:36
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I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.
Gamer first miner second here. If you hope this works you are part of the problem and are OK with what Nvidia is trying to do. P.S. they do not want to help you one bit.
I am completely okay with them trying to make miners stick to dedicated hardware rather than cut corners and take the easy path with gaming GPUs.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 14:18:17
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As I understand it there will be no more non LHR GPUs. All the new ones including 3070Ti and 3080Ti will have hash limiters in place. The only card that will be not affected is the 3090 because miners dont buy it anyway.
show me a miner that will not buy a 3090.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 14:21:50
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I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.
Gamer first miner second here. If you hope this works you are part of the problem and are OK with what Nvidia is trying to do. P.S. they do not want to help you one bit.
I am completely okay with them trying to make miners stick to dedicated hardware rather than cut corners and take the easy path with gaming GPUs.
A little education for you. Where do you think miner GPUs go when they are done with them? Yes gamers buy them used for a good deal. CMP cards just create E waste. Nvidia is affectively destroying the used market so that you don't have a choice but to buy from them. If you are ok with that, like I said previously, you are part of the problem.
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Re: low hash rate GPUs, how will that impact the queue?
2021/05/18 14:24:48
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Makes sense that the queue would transition over that way those in the queue wouldn't lose their spots. Though selfishly I was hoping for a new queue. phroze
homestyle
So regular 3000 are no longer in production?
If so, that is a very bad and shady move from nvidia. If you want to introduce LHR version, then keep the regular versions because frankly, this is a switharoo they are doing.
It's like they create a card and some how the fps shoots up after they introduce the card and value increases, so they reintroduce the video card by capping the fps. Not exactly the same situation, but similar concepts. So shady.
I completely agree. They are segregating the market so that they can force miners to buy miner specific cards. By doing so they are removing miner cards from the third party for gamers to purchase used. Pretty horrible. Now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a new card.
You are saying there will be less of a used market for gamers because the mining cards won't be available used? I mean in comparison to what we have now, where used and new are at inflated prices? Right now the entry level gamer is forced to buy a very expensive new or used card....or wait and jump through a million obstacles to try an win the lottery for a card. I get there are an unprecedented number of factors impacting supply and demand right now, but we encountered this situation to an extent once before when GPU's went scarce because mining increased in value a few years ago. Do cards need to be jacks of all trades? The market is already segregated for non-gaming commercial cards, cards that have specific uses. I'm skeptical that their will be any impact of this segregation, but I'm also skeptical that things will be worse than they already are because of it. I'm skeptical that creating mining specific cards didn't take away supply from the GPU cards. It seems that those most impacted will be those that want to mine and game on the same card. phroze
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I hope this all works. Miners tears are delicious.
Gamer first miner second here. If you hope this works you are part of the problem and are OK with what Nvidia is trying to do. P.S. they do not want to help you one bit.
I am completely okay with them trying to make miners stick to dedicated hardware rather than cut corners and take the easy path with gaming GPUs.
A little education for you. Where do you think miner GPUs go when they are done with them? Yes gamers buy them used for a good deal. CMP cards just create E waste. Nvidia is affectively destroying the used market so that you don't have a choice but to buy from them. If you are ok with that, like I said previously, you are part of the problem.
If that were the case, then why is the used market for cards so expensive now? I can sell my 1070 for more than I bought it for new four years ago.
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