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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
Monday, September 10, 2012 5:30 AM
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lordraptor1 1.905v for ram?????? from what i have read you should NEVER go over 1.65v for ram (of course toloerance to say 1.66 i woudl say is ok but 1.9v + ) Actually if you look at Item # N82E16820146871 on newegg, Muskin sells BlackLine DDR3-1600 ram that is rated for Voltage 1.8v - 1.9v. They design it to handle it and it's rated for it by the manufacturer, so it's safe. And yes I have the VTT up some to compensate and put it closer to the higher ram voltage. I actually have it set at 1.850v in bios for DRAM voltage, but getting into windows and reading voltages with AIDA64 under load it reads 1.905v, so....
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
Monday, September 10, 2012 6:06 AM
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ahh ok its just unusual to see i havent seen anyone mention ram with that high of voltage most i see runs 1.6 to 1.65v (my gskill kit runs 1.5v 1600MHz 24 gig kit)
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
Monday, September 10, 2012 11:52 PM
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lordraptor1 1.905v for ram?????? from what i have read you should NEVER go over 1.65v for ram (of course toloerance to say 1.66 i woudl say is ok but 1.9v + )
Actually if you look at Item # N82E16820146871 on newegg, Muskin sells BlackLine DDR3-1600 ram that is rated for Voltage 1.8v - 1.9v. They design it to handle it and it's rated for it by the manufacturer, so it's safe.
And yes I have the VTT up some to compensate and put it closer to the higher ram voltage. I actually have it set at 1.850v in bios for DRAM voltage, but getting into windows and reading voltages with AIDA64 under load it reads 1.905v, so....
That RAM was designed with the older dual channel CPUs in mind (like the Core2Duo and Core2Quad) I defintely wouldn't recommend it for a Core i7 based system. Intel has stated many times that it could damage the integrated memory controller on the CPU. It might work for a while, but I think you'd be much better off selling it and getting some newer RAM that runs within spec.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 0:00 PM
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lordraptor1 1.905v for ram?????? from what i have read you should NEVER go over 1.65v for ram (of course toloerance to say 1.66 i woudl say is ok but 1.9v + )
Actually if you look at Item # N82E16820146871 on newegg, Muskin sells BlackLine DDR3-1600 ram that is rated for Voltage 1.8v - 1.9v. They design it to handle it and it's rated for it by the manufacturer, so it's safe.
And yes I have the VTT up some to compensate and put it closer to the higher ram voltage. I actually have it set at 1.850v in bios for DRAM voltage, but getting into windows and reading voltages with AIDA64 under load it reads 1.905v, so....
That RAM was designed with the older dual channel CPUs in mind (like the Core2Duo and Core2Quad)
I defintely wouldn't recommend it for a Core i7 based system. Intel has stated many times that it could damage the integrated memory controller on the CPU. It might work for a while, but I think you'd be much better off selling it and getting some newer RAM that runs within spec.
this is what i thought dave thanks for confirming, i kinda thought somethign was wrong when i saw 1.9v (that was what the DDR2 ram in my 780i uses)
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:41 AM
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Davabled That RAM was designed with the older dual channel CPUs in mind (like the Core2Duo and Core2Quad) I defintely wouldn't recommend it for a Core i7 based system. Intel has stated many times that it could damage the integrated memory controller on the CPU. It might work for a while, but I think you'd be much better off selling it and getting some newer RAM that runs within spec. Actually it's rather high-end overclocker's ram designed for high performance systems. As long as the DRAM voltage is only +0.50v (or less) above VTT, and VTT is +0.50v or less above the cpu voltage it's fine. I had a first generation i7-920 since launch day and ran the kingston hyper-x DDR3-1600 ram at 1.83v for almost 2 years with zero issues, and zero problems, and the next owner (A friend of mine) has had it for a little over 6 months now with the same overclock settings (and is aware of it and it's history) and also has zero issues. No bluescreens, No crashes, ram is fine, system is fine, everything is fine. If you do it right, it won't hurt anything. The only problem is the ram got rather wam, but with a heatsink that allows dual fans (one that can hang out over the side of the heatsink and blow down on the ram) like the Cooler Master GeminII S, and a high-flow fan it'll cool the ram and there's no problems. That was with ram designed for 1.65v too, this new mushkin ram I have now is even stated by mushkin it's good up to 1.9v, so even better.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:39 PM
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... Actually it's rather high-end overclocker's ram designed for high performance systems. As long as the DRAM voltage is only +0.50v (or less) above VTT, and VTT is +0.50v or less above the cpu voltage it's fine.
... So, DRAM voltage minus .5 volts = VTT voltage, means you're running your VTT at around 1.8 volts? From intel's site: http://www.intel.com/support/processors/corei7ee/sb/CS-032470.htm#4 intel What are the Intel® Core™ i7 Extreme Edition processor DDR3 memory voltage limitations? Intel recommends using memory that adheres to the Jedec memory specification for DDR3 memory which is 1.5 volts, plus or minus 5%. Anything over this voltage can either damage the processor or significantly reduce the processor life span. That all being said, according to section 2.10 of intel's white paper for the 45nm Core-i7 processors http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/core-i7-900-ee-and-desktop-processor-series-datasheet-vol-1.html , the absolute maximum for DRAM voltage is 1.875 volts, but with this caveat: intel At conditions outside functional operation condition limits, but within absolute maximum and minimum ratings, neither functionality nor long-term reliability can be expected. If a device is returned to conditions within functional operation limits after having been subjected to conditions outside these limits, but within the absolute maximum and minimum ratings, the device may be functional, but with its lifetime degraded depending on exposure to conditions exceeding the functional operation condition limits. At conditions exceeding absolute maximum and minimum ratings, neither functionality nor long-term reliability can be expected. Moreover, if a device is subjected to these conditions for any length of time then, when returned to conditions within the functional operating condition
So, it may work OK, but if it's run above the max recommended voltage of 1.575 volts, even though it's within the absolute max of 1.875 volts, even if just for a short time, the lifespan and reliability of the processor will be decreased, even if the voltage is later returned to a safe level. The reason I'm going to lengths about this issue isn't to attack you, but rather to further inform other readers of the safety ramifications.
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Re:X58 Stability Club 4.2Ghz+ Can you make it?
Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:52 PM
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Actually on mine, my cpu voltage is @ 1.36v, my VTT is 1.56v and my DRAM voltage is set at 1.85v, so, all is within listed intel specs and hunky dory, ram is within the 1.85 - 1.9v mushkin specs, nothing is going to "reduced lifespan" on any component, intel lists the maximum voltage for cpu core @ 1.37v and I'm a tad under that so it's all fine. AIDA64 does read my DRAM voltage as 1.905v in windows though but it's set to 1.850v in bios, so I don't know if AIDA64 is entirely correct in their voltage readings. Thanks for informing us (me) on things we already know though.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:13 AM
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Looks like I have some catching up to do. awalleyeguy can you please list out your results so that I can copy and paste the to the club list. I can't do that from your image info.
Its been a few months been away wondering about badge see everyone else has received theirs any word about mine thank you in advance
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:43 AM
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izmatic kram36 Looks like I have some catching up to do. awalleyeguy can you please list out your results so that I can copy and paste the to the club list. I can't do that from your image info. Its been a few months been away wondering about badge see everyone else has received theirs any word about mine thank you in advance That post was many many months ago. He probably does not feel like supporting this thread any longer. Since the new boards are out, I do not blame him. Up keeping something like this can start to wear on you after while.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:21 AM
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yeah i dont think this thread is even watched anymore, i never got a badge either but i dont need the badge to know i got my 4.2 but it would be nice to have the badge to show off. oh well guess some of us get to look forward to no joy because by the time the boards and cpu's become somewhat reasonably priced they are already eol and no one really gives a crap anymore LOL
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Friday, October 19, 2012 2:08 AM
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I still look at this thread occasionally. But my 3930K on my RIVE is just sooo awesome. Not gloating, just happy.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:22 AM
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Ultrasuono I7 990x Extreme Edition Batch 3044B119 CPU clocked at: 4.6 GHz Voltage: 1.418 Idle temps: 17, 22, 20, 19, 23, 6 Load temps: 79, 74, 71, 68, 76, 75 GFlop peak: 89.97 Hi guys, this is my daily 24/7...but i think i can optimize CPU-uncore clock and RAM timings...
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:28 PM
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HalloweenWeed I still look at this thread occasionally. But my 3930K on my RIVE is just sooo awesome. Not gloating, just happy. True, but Kram is no longer doing the badges and maintaining the thread.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Saturday, October 20, 2012 8:45 PM
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HalloweenWeed
I still look at this thread occasionally. But my 3930K on my RIVE is just sooo awesome. Not gloating, just happy.
True, but Kram is no longer doing the badges and maintaining the thread.
i just figured he didnt have the time after moving to those 2011 socket boards with all the failures they seem to have had
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:39 PM
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IZMatiC Core i7 990X Batch # 3103B399 CPU clocked at :4.24GHz Voltage: 1.341 Idle Temp: 33 34 31 32 26 31 Load Temp: 68 67 70 69 75 70 GFlop peak: 71.8203 http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee207/izmaticpixs/EVGAUPLOAD424-1.png thanks for the reply guys, loveha and lordraptor1, still sucks I was going to do a new build but am so satisfied with what I am running i dont feel the need to change especially just recently swapping out MB for a classified3 guess am like you on this dont need no stinkin badge to know I am stable at 4.2 lol, actually i rush it I know this chip has a lot more to offer guess i try to go for the gusto with it thanks again.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:36 PM
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Core i7 920 CPU clocked at :4.21 Voltage: 1.388 Idle Temp: 33 32 37 32 Load Temp: 84 83 81 81 GFlop peak: 54.1163
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Sunday, March 03, 2013 7:26 AM
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Sorry to necrotize the thread but I have beaten my brains out trying to get this 965EE over 4.2 stable so I just had to add it here for posterity. It's on an FTW3 board with 3x120 water. After wrangling with this thing I can understand why there aren't any 965's listed. What a lousy overclocker. I'm looking forward to setting up my 980x and Classy3 for some somewhat more extreme speeds. Also have a 4-Way Classy on the way with another Gulftown to play with. Core i7 965EE Batch unknown, early engineering sample CPU Clocked at: 4.21 Voltage: 1.517 Idle Temp: 38 38 36 37 Load Temp: 84 87 82 82 GFlop Peak: 52.780
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Sunday, March 03, 2013 2:41 PM
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Sorry to necrotize the thread but I have beaten my brains out trying to get this 965EE over 4.2 stable so I just had to add it here for posterity. It's on an FTW3 board with 3x120 water. After wrangling with this thing I can understand why there aren't any 965's listed. What a lousy overclocker. I'm looking forward to setting up my 980x and Classy3 for some somewhat more extreme speeds. Also have a 4-Way Classy on the way with another Gulftown to play with.
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Welcome to the forums...That's a lot of voltage to reach 4.2, but nice job in any case...
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:07 PM
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Yeah, way too much voltage, but that's what it took. At one point I was battling alternating 101 and 124 BSODs. Also saw 0A and 50's along the way. I upped the various applicable voltages one at a time in single step increments until they went away. Like I said, it's a horrible overclocker. It's a chick's chip as far as I am concerned, no offense to chicks of course Don't know if it would OC better on the Classy3, but I have decided to make the 965 and FTW3 part of a basic air rig for the wife with a very mild OC as punishment for being pathetic. To further complicate matters the FTW3 has the 67c VReg bug, which is mildly annoying, so I put a fan on that. In the meantime I am trying a higher multiplier strategy to bring down the voltages as an exercise. I have it at 31x136 for 4205 and it seems a bit happier with somewhat lower temps. I'll let it percolate in Prime while I watch the Cup race this afternoon and if it survives a LinX run, I'll start lowering individual voltages notch by notch until it BSODs on each type. Thanks for the welcome, but if you check the join date, I have been a member 3-1/2 months longer than you have  I joined back when the QX9650 came out. I put it on an EVGA 780i on air with a couple of 8800 Ultras. Still using that one as my business workstation @4ghz, but had it up to 4.4 stable at one point. Should have wc'ed it...
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:53 PM
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Yeah, way too much voltage, but that's what it took. At one point I was battling alternating 101 and 124 BSODs. Also saw 0A and 50's along the way. I upped the various applicable voltages one at a time in single step increments until they went away. Like I said, it's a horrible overclocker. It's a chick's chip as far as I am concerned, no offense to chicks of course
Don't know if it would OC better on the Classy3, but I have decided to make the 965 and FTW3 part of a basic air rig for the wife with a very mild OC as punishment for being pathetic. To further complicate matters the FTW3 has the 67c VReg bug, which is mildly annoying, so I put a fan on that.
In the meantime I am trying a higher multiplier strategy to bring down the voltages as an exercise. I have it at 31x136 for 4205 and it seems a bit happier with somewhat lower temps. I'll let it percolate in Prime while I watch the Cup race this afternoon and if it survives a LinX run, I'll start lowering individual voltages notch by notch until it BSODs on each type.
Thanks for the welcome, but if you check the join date, I have been a member 3-1/2 months longer than you have I joined back when the QX9650 came out. I put it on an EVGA 780i on air with a couple of 8800 Ultras. Still using that one as my business workstation @4ghz, but had it up to 4.4 stable at one point. Should have wc'ed it...
Yeah, after I posted the message, I noticed your join date was in the same year as mine...lol oh well. Have fun with it.
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Saturday, March 01, 2014 5:59 PM
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Glad this thread is still here, was able to reference it for selling my i7-930. Pretty damn good CPU I had, considering those tests were done with VDroop on (adds about 0.05V in BIOS setting). :-)
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Re:X58 Stability Club
Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:35 PM
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wow....had almost forgotten about this thread
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Re:X58 Stability Club
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