TomSchu

Huntercyril
https://twitter.com/EVGA_...19332736532819968?s=19

Not very reassuring when someone asks if they even have any chance (not a 100% chance, bu5

but theres a chance for everyone. but maybe hes thinking forward. a guy who ordered a GPU end of october has a far smaller chance than a guy who ordered in september maybe. i think we will get ours in november. :)

I wish we would get it in November.. It sounds too optimistic.

TomSchu
in case you ordered the card on release date. did you?

Yes. 17/9 in the first minutes.

Just buy something better, it looks like its an average card at best according to the Gamer Nexus review of it.
 
There are better performing cards at comparable prices from companies who actually care about the market outside of the US.

Mindfactory just had some Gigabyte Gaming OC and Aorus Master cards..extremely overpriced, even more than Alternate. Still sold out in seconds, at least the 3080's. But some 3090's left, if you have 1899 EUR :D
 
Edit: The 3080 Aorus Master is still available! For 1049 EUR ^^

6900XT supposedly 8.5% faster than 3080 in Firestrike Ultra, could be a good buy even at 800-900€ if you're from the EU and can actually buy it. Chances of buying an EVGA 3080 getting slimmer by the day :(

Yeah might be, but a lot of us on the EU store had the cards in cart with double VAT on the 17th, so it wasn't impossible but it was double VAT... Big navi won't go on sale on Wednesday, so they'll probably take 3-4 extra weeks to get decent stock (and currently PS5 and Xbox are being produced so GPUs aren't a priority right now for 7nm).
 
If EU EVGA store can implement queue system + get stock and fill the "preoders" in those 3-4 weeks... well i guess we'll find out sooner or later, but Big Navi is going to get a very firm and real ETA that won't need to be worked on :)
 
Like i said before, i just want something that does 4K 60fps in 9/10 games that i'll play, would love for it to be an EVGA card, but sadly it's not looking good and i'm not paying 900€+ for something that barely matches a FE card that's 699-740€ depending on the VAT in your country.

Alternate.de has RTX 3090’s in stock. Gainward Phoenix for 1849€ and INNO3D iChill X3 for €1779

Maedre
First post here just to say that Materiel.net in France is sending me my FTW3 today.
Ordered it late the 17/09 at around 3.25pm so I think they received a large batch.

Damn I really hope Finland starts shipping the cards next week... If not I might order a Rx 6000 if they seem decent.

Overdos3

Maedre
First post here just to say that Materiel.net in France is sending me my FTW3 today.
Ordered it late the 17/09 at around 3.25pm so I think they received a large batch.

Nice! I guess it's the Ultra right?

Nope, it's the standard FTW3.

Maedre

Overdos3

Maedre
First post here just to say that Materiel.net in France is sending me my FTW3 today.
Ordered it late the 17/09 at around 3.25pm so I think they received a large batch.

Nice! I guess it's the Ultra right?

Nope, it's the standard FTW3.

Amazing I order at amazon.fr the FTW3 GAMING not ultra and am still waiting for delivery order 17.09. Can you link some pictures of the cards I would love to see the back of the card. thanks

At this point I might as well wait for the 6800XT. According to IgorsLab, it's faster than a 3080FE in pure rasterization, but has worse RTX performance: igorslab.de/en/3dmark-in-ultra-hd-benchmarks-the-rx-6800xt-without-and-with-raytracing/

I changed my order today to ASUS ROG strix 3080. I’m so disappointed by the EU customer treatment that even if I had both cards available I would think a lot before picking the EVGA one.

Oh btw the main retailer in my country who was already selling 120€ over the MSRP pushed the price for this card another 30€ overnight while not having stocked even one.

What a load of crap this launch was. Worst of all, we all KNEW that this was going to happen and I guess companies decided that they condone scalping practices and let all their stock be claimed by bots so they can play along with their retailers. Pathetic.

Huntercyril
I'm still intrigued when companies claim fighting scalping and bots when they let their official resellers increasing price by 250€+ (in France).

If anything, Nvidia proved they can enforce MSRP price (some FE sold recently on french retailers at MSRP) so I don't understand why other big companies don't / can't do the same. There's so many retailers, if one says no just turn to the next. Some will say yes because they'll know some sales is better than no sales especially if in said country their competition says no then they'll be the only ones to sell in that country, everyone will turn to them for stock, more sales.

I get that capitalism is about making more money but when people claim to fight price abuse and fail to enforce price at retailers...

At least in Germany it is forbidden by law, that production companies enforce prices at retailers. And this works in both ways. The idea behind is, that a) market conditions should regulate the price and b) retailer shall be in competition. Otherwise, production companies would forbid to sell things at a lower price than they would wish. But every retailer has the right to set the price he would like (unless it is not below production/purchasing price to ruin other competitors). As a consequence of that, retailers are of course also allowed to ask higher prices than MSRP (as the name says: "suggested" price). If that price would be fixed, we would never be able to get good bargains, once the supply is high enough. That is the way the market works: prices stabilise where supply and demand are equal.
 
So, I do not see a fault at the retailers in increasing prices. The main problem is with NVidia, launching the 3000 series too early, with too less stock. Furthermore Nvidia could enforce more suitable ordering procedures, for example with allowing pre-orders, enforcing retailers to sell only one item per househould for e.g. 2 months or something like that, etc.  That would reduce the possibilities for scalpers a bit. However, you will never be able to eliminate scalpers completely. As per se, scalping is also not forbidden. However, usually you have to pay income taxes on the margin. If I would be working at a tax authority, I would closly monitor ebay and investigate whether these scalper declare there margin in their tax declaration ;)
 

I think, the way taxation is done varies from country to country. I do not know for France, but in Germany it is not as easy as you describe it. Here, it does not matter, whether you are "professional" or "regular". If selling new item (and not used ones), the tax authority only looks at two things: a) Do you have the intention to make a profit? and b) how often do you do it? If only once, you are fine. In some cases 3 times a year and with intetnion to make a profit: they got you.
For me, there is still a huge difference between retailers increasing prices and private scalpers. The former order products from manufacturer with the intetion to sell and to make profit. They have employees and pay (most of the time) taxes on theri higher margin. Scalpers on the other hand, pretend to be normal customers, nowadays use bots to supress regular customers, usually don't pay taxes. From my perspective, that is a huge difference.
 
I understand the situation you describe for France, which indeed is a little bit cumbersome. On the other hand, that is one reason we are having the European integration for. It is easy to order something from another company within the EU. We have at least some harmonized customer protections laws and easy ways to pay and to compare prices and no currency risks. In Germany, you can find good bargains for IT products. But of course, not for freshly released products like the 3000 series now. But in general, it is fine. We have some competition and I would assume, that shipment to France will not "eating" that up totally. (For example, I have ordered form Amazon France, Spain and Italy. And also from Austrian furniture companies and food stores, and others.)
 
But, finally, we are here in an EVGA forum. I can understand, that some people are annoyed by Jacobs "no ETA yet". Compared to other companies, who don't tell anything, they are still much better. The problem is, the difference we can see between US and EU. And, hence, we measure them against their behaviour towards their US customers. However, I can undesrtand that they have to start somewhere. Jacob tweeted recently, that they will have an update for EU soon. If that is the case, it will be ok from my side. (As the main fault is with NVidia.) But they have to deliver (at minimum some information), they are setting their own benchmark ;)  In general, I would hope that their RTX 3000 are selling extremly well in EU, so that they might consider giving EU some more importance in the future!
 

3090OC2200
Im outta here. 
Evga clearly doesnt take care of EU customers. Shipping cards to scalper shops and no information. Just ordered strix at msrp.
bye bye

Worldwide for all manufacturers supplies of the RTX 3080/ RTX 3090 are critical. Even the CEO of NVIDIA said supply would be tight into the first quarter of 2021