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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/22 09:35:29 (permalink)
I reiterate; show the head-to-head testing against watercooling!

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/23 05:53:22 (permalink)
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Not only is the IceGiant voluminous, it also weighs in at a hefty 4.85lbs
 
That's a NO from me dawg. Maybe if they designed it to mount directly to the case for stability it'd have a chance. But putting all that pressure on the board/socket is not going to end well if the thing falls over or gets set down too hard.
 


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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/26 11:21:18 (permalink)

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/26 12:06:08 (permalink)
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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/26 12:38:11 (permalink)
Too expensive and it ruins aesthetics... Gotta love that picture with it covering some RGB RAM and the very bottom of it is visible from the angle they took the picture.

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/26 13:10:37 (permalink)
I wonder how cool a traditional fan cooler would do if you made it that massive. Let alone if you made a CLC with a radiator that big.

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/26 14:24:38 (permalink)
To be fair, that's not a bad solution for cases that are space limited for a rad, especially old designed cases.  Some people love their old cases from back in the day.  Just enough air flow could make this work but it will eventually become a dust bunny.

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/26 15:29:19 (permalink)
 
If you have a horizontal motherboard it might be worth a try, but I'd never mount that on a vertical mobo, at least not without a few zip ties to hold it up, it just looks way too heavy.
 

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/27 06:14:34 (permalink)
Can anyone easily weigh their 2080ti Kingpin or 2080ti FTW.
 
I suspect they are pretty close to the weight of this cooler. And the five pound weight was for the prototype I believe so the finished product should be much lighter.

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/27 06:56:43 (permalink)
Bruh... when he said Delta fans.... I cower in fear
https://youtu.be/n9_L_Rz6H5M
 
This is how much they pull THROUGH a radiator. in my basement.  Circa 2012  Moved plastic shower curtains covered in various metal swarf from 4 feet away.  And he said max fans?  
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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/27 07:54:19 (permalink)
+1 for that clickbait title
 
It is an interesting product, gotta admit that. And that name - IceGiant ProSiphon Elite :D

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/27 12:57:48 (permalink)
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Can anyone easily weigh their 2080ti Kingpin or 2080ti FTW.
 
I suspect they are pretty close to the weight of this cooler. And the five pound weight was for the prototype I believe so the finished product should be much lighter.


The difference with a GPU is that you can get aftermarket solutions to help support that extra weight.  My 2080 Super FTW3 Hydro Copper weighed just about 3lbs without fluid in it.  I would never let that hang off the motherboard without extra support.

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/27 13:51:42 (permalink)
overkill in the extreme
 


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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/27 18:38:49 (permalink)
Personally I see this as a good alternative to AIO water coolers as those have the issue of leaking and or drying out
However yeah the size is a bit of a concern and i want to see how this holds up in the final product.
I mean aesthetically I know its not pleasing but I can see it being a nice middle ground between water cooling and standard air cooling.


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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/27 19:16:12 (permalink)
it uses a diaelectric  fluid - which means its much less efficient than water (water is always best)
 meaning you would need a much bigger rad to accomplish the same task - you need more surface area to cool and more airflow
 
this will also leak - evaporation of fluid to gas causes pressure and leakage too - unless we have a solder tight and then plastic sealed
 
all it does is remove "some" moving parts and some electric use for pump
 
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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/28 01:07:13 (permalink)
whooot? 
 
what the hell is that thing??  damn.....  look at the size of it!!
i have a AIO system and i like it... no more of those metal bricks on my mobo covering the all system...

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/28 05:20:56 (permalink)
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Final Product?
 
https://www.icegiantcooling.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuMP66oPU5gIVBVYMCh0OpgrfEAMYASAAEgJVKvD_BwE
 




Checked out the specs, did not see anywhere it says how much heat it can remove (BTU/hr).
 
Waiting for someone to buy one when it is released and do comprehensive head-to-head testing against a similarly priced AIO.

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/28 06:15:03 (permalink)
well, i can say this much .
Water cooling is not dead !!!!
and that thing, ill pass .  that would be like trying to push a golf ball thru a garden hose and saying yes it will fit ..
I can see so many people buying this only to end up replacing there motherboard, due to that thing ripping the cpu socket out due to its weight.
you would have to have a back plate the size of the motherboard and bolted down to the motherboard tray, instead of the PCB its self ..
 
so the answer for me is , sorry ill stick with water cooling ..  
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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 04:20:23 (permalink)
 
1290g equals 2.84# max. Not too heavy and I don't see any concerns expressed by the developer.
Max noise 38dBA
 
They could be on to something here.
 

 

 

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 06:01:50 (permalink)
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Bruh... when he said Delta fans.... I cower in fear

High CFM Delta case fans a pure ear cancer.
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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 06:27:04 (permalink)
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Bruh... when he said Delta fans.... I cower in fear

High CFM Delta case fans a pure ear cancer.




i hate noise too...
 but those delta... they sure are THE Stuff in terms of cfm inside your pc case!!
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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 06:43:45 (permalink)
Humm?
 
I don't see anything about this product using delta fans in final product. I do see the final product specs stating final dBA as 38. So if you concider dBA 38 as ear cancer then you must scream when you hear rustling leaves or a quiet whisper. If I had a reason to buy one of these I would do what I do with any AIO cooler and that is to replace the fans with better ones than are usually included with an AIO system.
 
What I see as a limiting feature is the Ram clearance on a 1366 socket. From the base of the cooler plate to the bottom of the cooler is just a little over two inches. Just a visual look at my 1366 and I don't think there is enough space to clear the Ram.
 
Either way, it is an interesting "low cost" alternate to an AIO water cooler.
 
 
 

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 07:27:00 (permalink)
Can someone please show me how this is different than existing heatpipe technology? The product page where they try to explain why it is unique, describes a heatpipe in almost every way. Only thing that is missing is "sintered" or "grooved" or "mesh". So, what's the big deal? It's inferior to a heatpipe because it requires gravity to bring the coolant back to the evaporator instead of capillary action? That's a selling point? A product which will be more fickle about orientation, is a selling point?

Heat from the CPU boils liquid inside the evaporator - vapor flows up to the condenser

Cool air flows through the condenser and liquifies the vapor

Gravity drives the liquid back to the evaporator, and the cycle repeats


I don't get it.  It's a fickle heatpipe.
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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 16:39:00 (permalink)
whisper is 15 decibels
a loud person is 60 decibels
a lawnmower 85
 
a normal conversation is around 40-50 decibels
 
that is not gonna be quiet
 
fans are 300g that 150 each - fans are light - that block is heavy in comparison - with no fluid id say more than 3x what the fans are
they mention mechanical weight only 
 
they don't mention fluid capacity, fluid weight or type of fluid
that makes a diff
we also have a right to know what kind of fluid - so we can make a decision about air contamination at our home 
allergies carcinogens, irritants.etc (they do leak- no system is perfect)
we do have a right to know
 
the overall size is 1L+(1sq cm =ml = 1g) so lets say 250ml-500ml
 
you are also forgetting fluid weight adds 1/2 lb to 1 lb
could also be a heavier fluid too
 
so you are looking at 4lbs
 
 
one other thing i note is it's more dense than regular rads - to make it more efficient - it something they said in their PR
that means it will clog faster than regular rads that also explains the heavier fans to get air thru it - denser fins restrict air flow - so the more you put in - you'll need more fan pressure 
 
might i suggest a screen on the outer fan side to screen dust
 
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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 17:10:47 (permalink)
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whisper is 15 decibels
a loud person is 60 decibels
a lawnnower 85
 
a normal conversation is around 40-50 decibels
 
that is not gonna be quiet
 
you are also forgetting fluid weight add 1-2lbs - i mean it has to have about 1L which is 2.2lbs
could also be a heavier fluid too
 
so you are looking at 5lbs
 




Not sure what decibel charts you are looking at or where you get the idea you have to add fluid.
 
The system's max weight is listed and the dielectric fluid is included in the total weight. Also you are a bit off on your sound decibels. It is ok if you think the cooler is crap. But why make stuff up?
 
293 × 381
 
513 × 1024
 
403 × 523
 
759 × 326
 

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 18:35:24 (permalink)
no where does it mention diaelectric weight or volume
Im sorry fluid has weight
 
look at the difference if cooling between water and any diaelectric - that alone should make you skeptical
 
and the thing could be that heavy mechanically only
3+x more than the fans sound right - metal is heavy - even aluminum
 
 
and according to your chart birds chirping is not silent - a stream running can be noisy, so can crows eagles or owls let alone smaller birds which i can hear 1/4 mile away 
 a very loud person is 60db (a know a few that talk that loud- like a shout...but their shout is louder yet) - because a shout is louder than that and a quiet lady might be 40
 
Besides this is moot until they release a final product to test - hmmmm???
they could be posting BS if they have NO PRODUCT other than that PROTOTYPE
 
businesses have spouted BS before to get funding to find they haven't produce anything or anything close to their promise - happens all the time
 
lets see them send the final product to linus...before we say anything - im saying don't necessarily believe the BS they put out - show us the final product 
 


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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 20:56:22 (permalink)
Xavier brings up a great point! 
 
What is the FPI on that thing? 
 
Are they using Noctuas to push through that? (Of course not.)
 
Yes, water does add considerable weight.  I know what my rig feels like with 1 1/2 Liters of fluid in it and without.  You could feel the difference.  lol
 
And if I had to guess, my old man is about 80+ DBs...

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/29 21:20:29 (permalink)
ever walk into a pet store and hear like 20 birds chirping none stop - budgies,luv birds canaries
if my computer sounded like that id probably shoot it- just to silence it(because it would drive me crazy) - let alone go - "Damn" that sounds like a sick puppy
 
 
my argument was the weight - aluminum rad gonna be 3x+ more weight than the fans remember they added more fins and cooling tube too - more dense (2 mostly plastic fan& 2 motors vs a 1 huge aluminum rad, stand and cpu heatsink)
 
they could also add a fluid level indicator and a refill cap....maybe sell coolant
 
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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/30 01:18:22 (permalink)
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ever walk into a pet store and hear like 20 birds chirping none stop - budgies,luv birds canaries
if my computer sounded like that id probably shoot it- just to silence it(because it would drive me crazy) - let alone go - "Damn" that sounds like a sick puppy
 
 
my argument was the weight - aluminum rad gonna be 3x+ more weight than the fans remember they added more fins and cooling tube too - more dense (2 mostly plastic fan& 2 motors vs a 1 huge aluminum rad, stand and cpu heatsink)
 
they could also add a fluid level indicator and a refill cap....maybe sell coolant
 


WOW!
 
I don't think you realize how angry you come across with your posts.
 
Like I said, you don't have to like or dislike this product. It is something new and interesting but I guess I'm having a hard time understanding your view when there isn't any factual basis for your complete hatred of this product, especially as you say, there isn't any independent testing.
 
I don't believe you have looked at the product's Specs page closely enough as it does describe the products total weigh with fans, fluid (dielectric fluid- No water), and system as being 1290g (2.84 pounds). So it will not require any addition fluids (water) as you suggested or additional fans to bring the weight up to your five plus pounds.
 
As far as the 1290g force on the MB. There doesn't seem to be any warnings labeled onto this product for one to be concerned with any more than a five pound plus SLI configuration hanging onto a MB.
 
The build is all aluminum which works well with dielectric fluids. While copper may be preferable in some instances, aluminum will work better with this product and the dielectric fluid than would water. The thermal process described may have been tested with better results with this combination, I don't know, or any combination of decisions including cost.
 
As far as your 20 birds chirping being loud. Unless you plan on attaching 20 of these units to you computer I again find it hard to understand your logic. The discussion is about a new technology that will obviously either improve over time or fail or work relatively well as advertised.
 
Have a nice day.
 
https://www.lytron.com/product-support/resource.cfm?aid=1242
 
And this product is in line with most of the Air Cooling solutions with respect to noise and weight. None of these products seem to have any issues with the weight on the MB either. And they all appear to be Aluminum blocks as well.
 
https://www.newegg.com/p/...tsinks&isdeptsrh=1
 
 
 
post edited by dc8flyer - 2019/12/30 01:46:44

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Re: Water Cooling is Dead 2019/12/30 06:10:44 (permalink)
I believe the point is; there is no proof this thing actually works any better than other, smaller, cheaper, lighter options.
 
Not that I would ever use this thing, but I am interested in seeing independent objective head-to-head comparisons with other cooling solutions.
 
Until such time as that happens, I say we all just chill out.

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