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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/07 15:58:12 (permalink)
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I wasn't aware there were some noise issues with the 2080 Ti Hybrid, even so it doesn't mean it will be a problem with the 3000 series cards. Noise levels will definitely be covered by reviewers. The cards haven't even been seen yet so it's too early to draw any conclusions. Something to be aware of though.

It will only be covered by reviewers if it affects a very high percentage of the yield.

Depends on the reviewer, some will report all issues they find without fearing being blacklisted by the corps. I was specifically referring to if it was a widespread issue in where there is excessive noise in a normal usage scenario.


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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/08 05:53:42 (permalink)
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Depends on the reviewer, some will report all issues they find without fearing being blacklisted by the corps. I was specifically referring to if it was a widespread issue in where there is excessive noise in a normal usage scenario.


Good answer, but I would humbly make the correction that all reviewers will report all issues they find without fearing being blacklisted by the corps--the rest aren't actually reviewers.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/08 09:09:00 (permalink)
Had titan hybrid, 1080ti hybrid, 2080 hybrid. Never had problem like at all. Maybe a little pump noise but that’s to be expected, i mean it’s a pump but i sincerely can’t recall saying to myself ugh i can hear the pump noise. A bunch of people misplace their rads/pump combo so it ends up making more noise and ends up being bad for the pump (air bubbles etc).
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/08 13:28:51 (permalink)
I'll never understand these topics. I've used tons of different AIOs over the years, including several variations of the EVGA hybrids, and I have NEVER had audible pump noise except perhaps when cold booting the PC after it's been off. 
 
I fully plan to grab a 3090 Hybrid once it's out. Probably picking up a founders card until then, though... not loving the look of the FTW3
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/08 13:52:46 (permalink)
The pump comes from one company (Asetek) as it's not from different mfgers.  They are patented design as no one else can go on their own and design something similar or they'll be in legal trouble as we've seen in the past. 
 
With that said, it could be a number of things that creates the audibles while many were sold with no issues.


  • Air pockets trapped in the cooler/pump housing.  
  • Air pockets circulating through the loop if say the tubing of the rad are positioned at the top of the rad or just somehow aren't being trapped in the rad.
  • Pump housing positioned higher than the rad.
  • GPU whine is being mistaken for pump whine.
 
I completely understand the frustrations this may cause for some but remember, no such thing as a completely quiet system unless you go passive cooling or custom liquid cooling with premium rad fans for low audibles.
 
The main objective of a Hybrid is to lower the temps which is does.  The good news this time around is, the rads will be 240mm instead of the insufficient 120mm.  
 
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/08 14:44:15 (permalink)
Just to be sure - is the device mounted correctly?  By that I mean the radiator is mounted horizontally and is fully above the video card?
 
Many reports of pump noise are due to people mounting the radiator vertically or below the level of the pump.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/08 15:24:50 (permalink)
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Depends on the reviewer, some will report all issues they find without fearing being blacklisted by the corps. I was specifically referring to if it was a widespread issue in where there is excessive noise in a normal usage scenario.


Good answer, but I would humbly make the correction that all reviewers will report all issues they find without fearing being blacklisted by the corps--the rest aren't actually reviewers.


Haha fair enough, but unfortunately those are few and far between.


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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/09 06:38:57 (permalink)
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Just to be sure - is the device mounted correctly?  By that I mean the radiator is mounted horizontally and is fully above the video card?
 
Many reports of pump noise are due to people mounting the radiator vertically or below the level of the pump.


You obviously haven't read the thread before posting.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/09 06:49:50 (permalink)
IMHO putting at AIO on a 3090 or kingpin is stupid. If you can afford to spend that on a card you can afford a custom loop. Quit buying this AIO crap that doesn’t compare to a custom loop.
It’s just a waste of money and effort to remove that crap and install a block. Specially for the 3090 kingpin, thing will cost over 2k. I don’t want your crapy pump or radiator I’ll supply my own.
So hopefully they will have a non AIO version of the kingpin so i can custom cool it
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/09 08:37:02 (permalink)
Yes, everyone stay away. Far away. Definitely don't but it on release day, wait a few days, weeks, months even to get some extremely thorough reviews.
 
...so that i can get one.
 
For what its worth, ive had two hybrid cards, the pump noise was never an issue(its audible, but not especially louder than anything else in my computer) an AIO is a compromise though, it wont be as good as a custom loop, but they are without a doubt easier to install and cheaper.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/09 13:55:54 (permalink)
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Yes, everyone stay away. Far away. Definitely don't but it on release day, wait a few days, weeks, months even to get some extremely thorough reviews.
 
...so that i can get one.
 
For what its worth, ive had two hybrid cards, the pump noise was never an issue(its audible, but not especially louder than anything else in my computer) an AIO is a compromise though, it wont be as good as a custom loop, but they are without a doubt easier to install and cheaper.




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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/09 14:08:09 (permalink)
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Yes, everyone stay away. Far away. Definitely don't but it on release day, wait a few days, weeks, months even to get some extremely thorough reviews.
 
...so that i can get one.
 



lol!
 
Going by recent threads here I'm more concerned with Miners than each other :(
 

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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/09 18:30:03 (permalink)
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lol!
 
Going by recent threads here I'm more concerned with Miners than each other :(
 




 
First we were worried about scalpers and bots, now miners. It seems like AMD cards have always been better suited to mining, and given their new cards are coming very shortly it might not affect nvidia stock as much. I think at this point we are all just so paranoid after the last few launches that we'll see threats in anything. I can only hope they have good supply and a good production rate, but the way everything manufacturing is going with COVID, I'm definitely concerned.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/10 13:04:48 (permalink)
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I can only hope they have good supply and a good production rate, but the way everything manufacturing is going with COVID, I'm definitely concerned.



In general, the fact that Demand is healthy but yet prices remain unusually high suggests that Supply is low.
 
But specifically, the fact that--just before the announcement of the 30 Series--on eBay used 2080 Tis were selling for the same price I paid new 2 years ago, and new 2080 Tis were selling far higher than that, suggests that Supply is not high enough to meet Demand.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/10 14:13:04 (permalink)
It helps that with computer hardware, people upgrade when they have the money, and games constantly require more powerful hardware. I know three people who bought 2070s within the last few months despite being told the 30xxs are coming out within a few months. Not knowing enough about any GPU makers finances, I couldn't say how bad sales would need to be to drop prices. Short supply on 20xxs recently could be because everyone's home and building new PCs, or maybe they've actually been winding down on production in anticipation of the 30xxs
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/10 17:46:35 (permalink)
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It helps that with computer hardware, people upgrade when they have the money, and games constantly require more powerful hardware. I know three people who bought 2070s within the last few months despite being told the 30xxs are coming out within a few months. Not knowing enough about any GPU makers finances, I couldn't say how bad sales would need to be to drop prices. Short supply on 20xxs recently could be because everyone's home and building new PCs, or maybe they've actually been winding down on production in anticipation of the 30xxs


It's weird that there was a supply issue with the 20xx series, considering the Steam Hardware survery released said the adoption wasn't even that high (imo). Maybe 30xx was in factory production far longer than we think and they cut the 20xx production short? I know there is the whole issue with binning and you have to throw out an entire % of all chips made due to silicon errors, so maybe 20xx series also had a major issue with production producing lots of faults?



 
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/10 21:04:36 (permalink)
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It helps that with computer hardware, people upgrade when they have the money, and games constantly require more powerful hardware. I know three people who bought 2070s within the last few months despite being told the 30xxs are coming out within a few months. Not knowing enough about any GPU makers finances, I couldn't say how bad sales would need to be to drop prices. Short supply on 20xxs recently could be because everyone's home and building new PCs, or maybe they've actually been winding down on production in anticipation of the 30xxs


It's weird that there was a supply issue with the 20xx series, considering the Steam Hardware survery released said the adoption wasn't even that high (imo). Maybe 30xx was in factory production far longer than we think and they cut the 20xx production short? I know there is the whole issue with binning and you have to throw out an entire % of all chips made due to silicon errors, so maybe 20xx series also had a major issue with production producing lots of faults?


That could account for the huge price jump on the 20xxs.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/11 10:41:14 (permalink)
We have the 1080 Hybrid 1080ti Hybrid 2080ti hybrid. 
 
All very very quite.  Very cool.  We run data sets on them often maxed for 36 hour sessions.  We have not had any issues.  The only issue is they were release later and cost more.  Worth the wait and the cost in my opinion.
 
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/11 10:41:30 (permalink)
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...considering the Steam Hardware survery released said the adoption wasn't even that high (imo).



You got that right, lol. Everything about the 20 series--including price of course--was so offensive that I was seriously concerned about what was going on at NVIDIA. It seemed to me that the 20 Series was an attempt to salvage some kind of expensive R&D that didn't pan out, combined with a bunch of non-gaming tech repurposed for graphics cards. That's certainly how RTX seems to me.
 
But at any rate, when I looked at the Steam survey something like a year after the 20 Series release, there was something like three times as many people with 980 Tis than 2080 Tis, and for the upper end of cards, that kind of situation was possibly unprecedented as far as I know.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/11 11:23:56 (permalink)
You will always have a low count on higher end components no matter what.  Majority can't afford the premium lines so that will show up on these surveys while most are on low to mid tier GPUs.  Overtime people can afford to upgrade to a used once premium GPU from a generation or two previously.

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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/12 10:21:39 (permalink)
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You will always have a low count on higher end components no matter what.  Majority can't afford the premium lines so that will show up on these surveys while most are on low to mid tier GPUs.  Overtime people can afford to upgrade to a used once premium GPU from a generation or two previously.



Huh? I'm not talking about absolute numbers--I'm not comparing the installation base of high-end cards vs. mid- and low-end cards. I'm comparing the percentage of a newer high-end card compared to the percentage of the same high-end card from two generations earlier which--don't forget--was a 4-year period.
 
The period between the release of the 980 Ti itself and the 2080 Ti was 3.25 years. So by the time I looked at the survey, the 980 Ti had been out for over 4 years. I'd like to look at historical survey data, but I'm pretty certain that it had never been normal for a 4-year-old high-end card to have three times the installation base as the new version of the card that has been out for a year.
 
You mention people who can afford to upgrade after a certain period: That's obviously part of the reason for this. Not only was the 2080 Ti literally twice as much as the 980 Ti, but prices didn't drop, and in fact rose over time. That's going to have a huge effect on the number of people who stick with a 980 Ti (or 1080 Ti, or any other card) for 3, 4 or 5+ years instead of buying a 2080 Ti.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/26 13:56:42 (permalink)
My 1080ti SC2 hybrid was quiet. My 2080ti hybrid was loud.

The negative reviews were legit.
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/26 15:37:13 (permalink)
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I have not taken apart my "EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti XC HYBRID GAMING, 11G-P4-2384-KR"  , I'm tempted to buy the PWM pump splitter cable & test it out for myself- I have heard some good results from users who have done the mod, I have been somewhat hesitant on taking apart my $1399USD "EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti XC HYBRID GAMING, 11G-P4-2384-KR". OH BTW my card sounds just like what you posted in the video it is a high pitched whine/small refrigerator sound, I'm not sure why EVGA thinks that loud pump noise acceptable & at the same time give it a 100% quality check & send the product out the door!




I only paid around 700 for my Super and taking it apart to put on the Kraken was constant panic attack stress for me lol, so I can't imagine what doing it to a 1400 dollar card would be like.




Oh, I'm sure it's the same amount of panic! I've ripped apart no less than 10 cards and put EK water blocks on them, it never gets any less stressful!
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/26 16:45:23 (permalink)
I've got a 1080TI Hybrid in an HTPC and a 2080TI with a Hybrid Kit for 1.5 years now in my "office" PC, neither are noisy what so ever. In my main PC I even replaced the stock case fans with low noise Noctua's so I literally cannot hear it running while playing a game, and it works flawlessly. 
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/26 19:05:55 (permalink)
I'm seriously considering a hybrid this time around. My last card is a 1080ti Kingpin that I put a Water block on. My new build i am not going to have a custom loop. I already have an AIO for the cpu. How bad would it look to have another one for the gpu? I would probably mount the gpu to exhaust the top of case and the cpu aio to be intake on the front
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/26 19:10:22 (permalink)
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I'm seriously considering a hybrid this time around. My last card is a 1080ti Kingpin that I put a Water block on. My new build i am not going to have a custom loop. I already have an AIO for the cpu. How bad would it look to have another one for the gpu? I would probably mount the gpu to exhaust the top of case and the cpu aio to be intake on the front



that depends on what case you have

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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/09/26 19:12:59 (permalink)
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I'm seriously considering a hybrid this time around. My last card is a 1080ti Kingpin that I put a Water block on. My new build i am not going to have a custom loop. I already have an AIO for the cpu. How bad would it look to have another one for the gpu? I would probably mount the gpu to exhaust the top of case and the cpu aio to be intake on the front



that depends on what case you have
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/10/01 07:48:24 (permalink)
My ears were raped by 2080 xc hybrid. Same pomp in 3080....I dont know...
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/10/01 08:01:36 (permalink)
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IMHO putting at AIO on a 3090 or kingpin is stupid. If you can afford to spend that on a card you can afford a custom loop. Quit buying this AIO crap that doesn’t compare to a custom loop.
It’s just a waste of money and effort to remove that crap and install a block. Specially for the 3090 kingpin, thing will cost over 2k. I don’t want your crapy pump or radiator I’ll supply my own.
So hopefully they will have a non AIO version of the kingpin so i can custom cool it



Not everyone wants a 'custom loop'.
 
but to the topic:
 
I put a hybrid kit on my 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra ...and it was quiet as a door mouse.
 
No issues.
 
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Re: Stay far away from the RTX 30 series "Hybrid" model 2020/10/01 08:16:24 (permalink)
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IMHO putting at AIO on a 3090 or kingpin is stupid. If you can afford to spend that on a card you can afford a custom loop. Quit buying this AIO crap that doesn’t compare to a custom loop.
It’s just a waste of money and effort to remove that crap and install a block. Specially for the 3090 kingpin, thing will cost over 2k. I don’t want your crapy pump or radiator I’ll supply my own.
So hopefully they will have a non AIO version of the kingpin so i can custom cool it



Good thing nobody is forcing you to buy it. Might as well argue they should not be putting 'air cooling crap that does not compare to a custom loop'.  Maybe you should try an Indica strain. Sativa seems to wind you up too much. The only real complaint I have about the AIO is the garbage fans. I run my 1080 Ti pulling some 300+ watts daily on a AIO and can't hear it. (replaced the garbage fans) Peaks out a ~60C on FS2020.

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