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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 03:15:12 (permalink)
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 04:45:01 (permalink)
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My overclocked reference evga gtx 980, not a FTW edition, also has this issue with newer nvidia drivers. Got frequent TDR crashes in games and black-screen freezes occasionally.

My screen would go black in the witcher 3, sometimes white(rare), and I would have to manually restart the computer as is being described in this thread with the newer drivers 352.86 or 353.06. I was forced to roll back to 350.12 to get some stability back. Older drivers still cause TDR crashes now and then. I literally can't use these newer nvidia drivers though due to how unstable they are with TDR crashes and blackscreen locks.

Not just the FTW edition is affected by this problem. The specific model I got is EVGA 04G-P4-2980-KR on newegg, so basically just the evga 980 basic reference model. It is pretty stable in older drivers, but on newer drivers you literally can't play anything due to either TDR crashes or sometimes blackscreens that lock the system where it needs to be restarted manually. I will keep my eyes glued to this thread as I have the exact same issues as described from people with the FTW cards.

The issues I'm getting seem almost identical to what people are getting with these FTW edition cards. Overclocked reference 980 needs help as well. My card is stable at 1495/3950 on older drivers. Can run 10 passes of heaven benchmark and 10 passes of valley benchmark without a problem consecutively, in a row, no issues. On these newer drivers though forget it, I tried lowering clocks by 100mhz on core and memory and STILL got TDR's and blackscreen locks with these newer nvidia drivers.

I don't know what causes this issue, maybe a power management issue is my guess, but I've tried literally everything other than messing with the bios itself and nothing works. People are having similar issues on the nvidia forums with these newer drivers as well. The same issues that are being reported here and pretty much all over the nvidia forums and the guru forums as well with these newer nvidia drivers.
 
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Try reseting your GPU clocks to reference speeds. Run your programs, come back with your results. They promote overclocking, but even still, your overclocks may still be a little too high, and they will not guarantee that the drivers will work properly with even the slightest overclock. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. I can get my drivers to crash all day and all night with too high of GPU clocks. After all, I have the same GPUs as you do. the Reference models don't have the same components as an FTW.
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 05:08:57 (permalink)
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I didn’t read the whole thread, but I got my GTX 980 FTW since 2 months now and it’s working like a charm. No Blue screens, no freezes, no game crashes, no nothing *knocks on wood* Just my 2 cents. To all the others, good luck, hopefully there will be a working solution for you guys.


You should take a screenshot via GPUZ under the sensor information to provide any information possible to EVGA tech/Dave. Obviously something was made different with your GPU compared to most people's FTW.




Ok, I'll do so as soon as I'm home. Additionally I should inform you, that I didn't overclock anything, the card is running on default settings, I just made some slight changes to the fan-curve, that’s it about it.
 
Is there anything else I should check?
 
 
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 05:34:30 (permalink)
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I didn’t read the whole thread, but I got my GTX 980 FTW since 2 months now and it’s working like a charm. No Blue screens, no freezes, no game crashes, no nothing *knocks on wood* Just my 2 cents. To all the others, good luck, hopefully there will be a working solution for you guys.


You should take a screenshot via GPUZ under the sensor information to provide any information possible to EVGA tech/Dave. Obviously something was made different with your GPU compared to most people's FTW.




Ok, I'll do so as soon as I'm home. Additionally I should inform you, that I didn't overclock anything, the card is running on default settings, I just made some slight changes to the fan-curve, that’s it about it.
 
Is there anything else I should check?
 
 


ya, same with most people here. THey haven't overclocked at all, and they have so many problems with it that they cannot even play the simplest game or run any program.

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 07:27:27 (permalink)
As far as I know the overclock I'm using is stable. I ran 10 passes of valley benchmark without a problem, and then 10 passes of heaven benchmark without a problem, all in a row. On these newer drivers though games just crash crash crash. Even underclocking a lot, 100mhz off core and memory, still crashes horribly with these newer drivers. The witcher 3 is just an unstable nightmare.

There's seriously something wrong with these newer drivers, at least for the reference 980. 

Have exact same issues as you guys with these newer drivers. Older drivers are more stable but still produce an issue from time to time in certain games.

No idea... just reporting my findings in the hope that somebody somewhere does something about the lack of stability getting on my nerves at this point.
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 07:29:38 (permalink)
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As far as I know the overclock I'm using is stable. I ran 10 passes of valley benchmark without a problem, and then 10 passes of heaven benchmark without a problem, all in a row. On these newer drivers though games just crash crash crash. Even underclocking a lot, 100mhz off core and memory, still crashes horribly with these newer drivers. The witcher 3 is just an unstable nightmare.

There's seriously something wrong with these newer drivers.


I have done the same thing. Passed all the benchmarks with a breeze, but as soon as i ran any program/game the drivers crash. WHen i lowered the clocks, the drivers ran stable. Give it a shot, set the clocks back to reference clocks. have you tried reference clocks? (stock clocks)
*ZERO* over clocking.

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 07:30:56 (permalink)
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As far as I know the overclock I'm using is stable. I ran 10 passes of valley benchmark without a problem, and then 10 passes of heaven benchmark without a problem, all in a row. On these newer drivers though games just crash crash crash. Even underclocking a lot, 100mhz off core and memory, still crashes horribly with these newer drivers. The witcher 3 is just an unstable nightmare.

There's seriously something wrong with these newer drivers.


I have done the same thing. Passed all the benchmarks with a breeze, but as soon as i ran any program/game the drivers crash. WHen i lowered the clocks, the drivers ran stable. Give it a shot, set the clocks back to reference clocks. You haven't even tried it yet.



I have tried stock with newer drivers... it the same deal. Same exact prob as you guys.
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 07:32:51 (permalink)
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As far as I know the overclock I'm using is stable. I ran 10 passes of valley benchmark without a problem, and then 10 passes of heaven benchmark without a problem, all in a row. On these newer drivers though games just crash crash crash. Even underclocking a lot, 100mhz off core and memory, still crashes horribly with these newer drivers. The witcher 3 is just an unstable nightmare.

There's seriously something wrong with these newer drivers.


I have done the same thing. Passed all the benchmarks with a breeze, but as soon as i ran any program/game the drivers crash. WHen i lowered the clocks, the drivers ran stable. Give it a shot, set the clocks back to reference clocks. You haven't even tried it yet.



I have tried stock with newer drivers... it the same deal. Same exact prob as you guys.


I'm not really sure. I have my gpus overclocked a little, just 200 on core and mem clock, and was playing witcher 3 all night long.... Have you tried whiping the drivers all together, and doing a fresh install, just having the gpu driver and physx driver installed?
Try uninstalling precision X. I have heard some people confirm removing geforce experience helped them out.
Have you tried running double cables from PSU to the power plugs on your GPU, total of 2 cables? (not sure if this will do squat, but you never know...maybe a lack of power)
 
This could sound stupid to you, but are your drivers installed on drive "C"? Making sure the drivers are installed on the same drive as the operating system could "help" support stabilization. WIndows can be freaky at times. But i have no proof that it would change or do anything. I'm just trying to list off ideas here. sometimes the simplest methods end up being the problem.
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 09:16:05 (permalink)
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https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/467215/geforce-driver-installation-guide-a-guide-to-ensure-your-drivers-are-installed-properly-/
 
helpful post for driver installs/uninstalls.


Nice. I'll be keeping this in my backpocket. Much appreciated.

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 10:24:04 (permalink)
yes I use DDU in safe mode to clear driver-remains out before installing newer driver. Tried without it as well. Also I only ever install the driver and physx with nothing else.

I'm telling you, you guys aren't the only ones with problems. I sent a support ticket to evga asking them if they could send me a newer bios for my card if one is available. Couldn't find a newer one on the site so meh... its either that or wait for nvidias next driver and hope everything isn't still screwed up with these newer driver releases.



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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 10:38:46 (permalink)
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yes I use DDU in safe mode to clear driver-remains out before installing newer driver. Tried without it as well. Also I only ever install the driver and physx with nothing else.

I'm telling you, you guys aren't the only ones with problems. I sent a support ticket to evga asking them if they could send me a newer bios for my card if one is available. Couldn't find a newer one on the site so meh... its either that or wait for nvidias next driver and hope everything isn't still screwed up with these newer driver releases.



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Follow that link that Stephen posted. There might be something there that can help you. Or ya, you''ll have to wait for the next driver update. Just for kicks.... can you go 100mhz lower then the manufacturer clock to see if you get stabilzation?
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 12:10:18 (permalink)
funny just out of curiosity i tried doing some OC on my hydro card that pretty much have had the same problems like the ftw cards and atm pushing 1520MHz as final boost clock on the core (+65MHz offset) with 347.88 driver this was not possible in any driver newer then this one

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 13:29:18 (permalink)
I'm willing to believe that Nvidia has made these drivers so people are not overclocking as much, just a speculation though.
 
It makes no sense on why they would do...It's just a theory. Maybe a bad one though.

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 13:57:51 (permalink)
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I'm willing to believe that Nvidia has made these drivers so people are not overclocking as much, just a speculation though.
 
It makes no sense on why they would do...It's just a theory. Maybe a bad one though.


most likely, im still wondering though why only to put 2x6pin on the hydro coppers while putting 1 8 pin on the 970 or even the classified buying watercooled cards kinda means that you prolly wanna OC and more power = more stable in most cases and heat is not really a problem 

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 16:32:34 (permalink)
Stable runs 24/7
 

 
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/18 17:29:59 (permalink)
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Stable runs 24/7
 

 
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 02:56:00 (permalink)
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I'm willing to believe that Nvidia has made these drivers so people are not overclocking as much, just a speculation though.
 
It makes no sense on why they would do...It's just a theory. Maybe a bad one though.


This thread derailed to nvidia gimping drivers speculations and driver TDR's.
Let's get back to the real problem that we have with the FTW.

People mix different issues here and it is just going to confuse everyone.
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 03:04:50 (permalink)
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I'm willing to believe that Nvidia has made these drivers so people are not overclocking as much, just a speculation though.
 
It makes no sense on why they would do...It's just a theory. Maybe a bad one though.


This thread derailed to nvidia gimping drivers speculations and driver TDR's.
Let's get back to the real problem that we have with the FTW.

People mix different issues here and it is just going to confuse everyone.

True that.
However, if my speculation is right, then there is no actual resolution for the FTW other than to lower the actual clocks. Here is a perfect analogy... When you're running and you reach your target heart rate for about 20 minutes, then you stop to "catch your breath", but wait, now you have to breathe through a straw, but you're trying to get more air, because you "need more air!"...This is what is happening with the FTW. It's so overclocked that it's trying to get more power than what it actually can, but with the locked voltage (from Nvidia) it can't so the drivers time out, bringing you back to the desktop, BSOD, and/or black screen, maybe even including you to hard reset. These GPUs have to be underclocked by a massive amount to get the voltage (the voltage that the FTW is "trying" to get) under the regulated voltage to get the GPUs stabalized. There is no other way around it. (Unless EVGA were to "compensate" (coughbribe) Nvidia...? politics ugh!) Even if they decided to put gold plated transisters and capacitors in the GPU, it would make no difference. Locked voltage...
 
(this problem has already been mentioned too many times, I don't know why I'm explaining it again. I think I'm just beating a dead horse over it.)
 
Nvidia is so "over focused" over the TDP that they don't want people to go over a certain voltage, which makes sense, because they want to keep that reputation that they have a better and more sufficient GPU. Enthusiasts may argue with the fact that's not all they want in their GPU, they want the highest overclock. THat's why some prefer AMD (?), but that's why AMD runs hotter.
 
So, Nvidia is regulating you to run at a certain pace to keep your heart at a specific speed without trying to get more O2. lol
 
As I think more and more, i come up with other ideas as to "maybe the reason why" ... Would the hardware acceleration with Chrome or Firefox have anything to do with this? Do you guys have this turned off in the web settings? I'm not sure about IE. Many users have stated this is a major problem with Nvidia drivers, and by shutting that hardware acceleration off on their web settings, the nvidia drivers haven't crashed "as much". I cannot confirm if this is a 100% fix. I don't have this problem with nvidia drivers.
 
Even if you're not "using the web", the program still uses your hardware in the background, if these settings are turned on, and assuming you're using Chrome or Firefox. Then again, this issue would not explain the black screen or the BSOD, and it definately wouldn't explain the 116 error code from windows.
You can try and see if this fixes it, but if it doesn't, you're back to square 1.
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 04:00:16 (permalink)
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Stable runs 24/7
 

 
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I didn't mean to double bump the thread, but it's actually nice to see someon have a stable FTW. I think you're maybe the 2nd person to confirm they have a stable GPU. you're lucky, and congrats.

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 04:32:58 (permalink)
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True that.
However, if my speculation is right, then there is no actual resolution for the FTW other than to lower the actual clocks. Here is a perfect analogy... When you're running and you reach your target heart rate for about 20 minutes, then you stop to "catch your breath", but wait, now you have to breathe through a straw, but you're trying to get more air, because you "need more air!"...This is what is happening with the FTW. It's so overclocked that it's trying to get more power than what it actually can, but with the locked voltage (from Nvidia) it can't so the drivers time out, bringing you back to the desktop, BSOD, and/or black screen, maybe even including you to hard reset. These GPUs have to be underclocked by a massive amount to get the voltage (the voltage that the FTW is "trying" to get) under the regulated voltage to get the GPUs stabalized. There is no other way around it. (Unless EVGA were to "compensate" (coughbribe) Nvidia...? politics ugh!) Even if they decided to put gold plated transisters and capacitors in the GPU, it would make no difference. Locked voltage...
 
(this problem has already been mentioned too many times, I don't know why I'm explaining it again. I think I'm just beating a dead horse over it.)
 
Nvidia is so "over focused" over the TDP that they don't want people to go over a certain voltage, which makes sense, because they want to keep that reputation that they have a better and more sufficient GPU. Enthusiasts may argue with the fact that's not all they want in their GPU, they want the highest overclock. THat's why some prefer AMD (?), but that's why AMD runs hotter.
 
So, Nvidia is regulating you to run at a certain pace to keep your heart at a specific speed without trying to get more O2. lol
 
As I think more and more, i come up with other ideas as to "maybe the reason why" ... Would the hardware acceleration with Chrome or Firefox have anything to do with this? Do you guys have this turned off in the web settings? I'm not sure about IE. Many users have stated this is a major problem with Nvidia drivers, and by shutting that hardware acceleration off on their web settings, the nvidia drivers haven't crashed "as much". I cannot confirm if this is a 100% fix. I don't have this problem with nvidia drivers.
 
Even if you're not "using the web", the program still uses your hardware in the background, if these settings are turned on, and assuming you're using Chrome or Firefox. Then again, this issue would not explain the black screen or the BSOD, and it definately wouldn't explain the 116 error code from windows.
You can try and see if this fixes it, but if it doesn't, you're back to square 1.


Interesting analogy but if that was the case, the card should crash even when you force the amount of load on it. To say it in your own words its as if after a 20 minutes full speed run, you needed to catch your breath but, instead of just resting you get it back by going for a 40 minutes full sprint run this time carrying  80 lbs on your back. The problem with the card is not the voltage it gets, but its how it copes with sudden variation of said voltage.

Still to use your running analogy, imagine if you could somehow run 3 hours at full speed without a single problem but, if you had to be constantly switching from a fast walk to full run speed, you would last but 10 minutes. The voltage is the card get is enough, as proved by the people who are running the card successfully. Actually, I wonder if ASIC quality is somehow related to this, it's well known that higher asics does better with lower voltage, could it be that is just certain GPUs that have an ASIC quality over a certain treshold (my defective 980 has 70%) can successfully cope with sudden voltage switching whereas lower ASIC ones can't and thus crash? I don't think it's the case but just throwing even this option out there.
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 04:40:32 (permalink)
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True that.
However, if my speculation is right, then there is no actual resolution for the FTW other than to lower the actual clocks. Here is a perfect analogy... When you're running and you reach your target heart rate for about 20 minutes, then you stop to "catch your breath", but wait, now you have to breathe through a straw, but you're trying to get more air, because you "need more air!"...This is what is happening with the FTW. It's so overclocked that it's trying to get more power than what it actually can, but with the locked voltage (from Nvidia) it can't so the drivers time out, bringing you back to the desktop, BSOD, and/or black screen, maybe even including you to hard reset. These GPUs have to be underclocked by a massive amount to get the voltage (the voltage that the FTW is "trying" to get) under the regulated voltage to get the GPUs stabalized. There is no other way around it. (Unless EVGA were to "compensate" (coughbribe) Nvidia...? politics ugh!) Even if they decided to put gold plated transisters and capacitors in the GPU, it would make no difference. Locked voltage...
 
(this problem has already been mentioned too many times, I don't know why I'm explaining it again. I think I'm just beating a dead horse over it.)
 
Nvidia is so "over focused" over the TDP that they don't want people to go over a certain voltage, which makes sense, because they want to keep that reputation that they have a better and more sufficient GPU. Enthusiasts may argue with the fact that's not all they want in their GPU, they want the highest overclock. THat's why some prefer AMD (?), but that's why AMD runs hotter.
 
So, Nvidia is regulating you to run at a certain pace to keep your heart at a specific speed without trying to get more O2. lol
 
As I think more and more, i come up with other ideas as to "maybe the reason why" ... Would the hardware acceleration with Chrome or Firefox have anything to do with this? Do you guys have this turned off in the web settings? I'm not sure about IE. Many users have stated this is a major problem with Nvidia drivers, and by shutting that hardware acceleration off on their web settings, the nvidia drivers haven't crashed "as much". I cannot confirm if this is a 100% fix. I don't have this problem with nvidia drivers.
 
Even if you're not "using the web", the program still uses your hardware in the background, if these settings are turned on, and assuming you're using Chrome or Firefox. Then again, this issue would not explain the black screen or the BSOD, and it definately wouldn't explain the 116 error code from windows.
You can try and see if this fixes it, but if it doesn't, you're back to square 1.


Interesting analogy but if that was the case, the card should crash even when you force the amount of load on it. To say it in your own words its as if after a 20 minutes full speed run, you needed to catch your breath but, instead of just resting you get it back by going for a 40 minutes full sprint run this time carrying  80 lbs on your back. The problem with the card is not the voltage it gets, but its how it copes with sudden variation of said voltage.

Still to use your running analogy, imagine if you could somehow run 3 hours at full speed without a single problem but, if you had to be constantly switching from a fast walk to full run speed, you would last but 10 minutes. The voltage is the card get is enough, as proved by the people who are running the card successfully. Actually, I wonder if ASIC quality is somehow related to this, it's well known that higher asics does better with lower voltage, could it be that is just certain GPUs that have an ASIC quality over a certain treshold (my defective 980 has 70%) can successfully cope with sudden voltage switching whereas lower ASIC ones can't and thus crash? I don't think it's the case but just throwing even this option out there.


Ok. Let's just hope their engineers find something then. Could even be bad circuitry...I recall myself speaking about the voltage fluctuation. If they were to implement an nvidia "VDroop" (look it up, it's owned by intel. what it does is it prevents the voltage from dropping below a threshold level, and helps level out the voltage peak and sink) into the bios to prevent the voltage from sinking, it might help the GPU stablize better.
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 13:20:33 (permalink)
Hello all, I am still working with engineering on this issue.  For anyone who has tested DSR and found that helped (I know it kills framerates, but it didn't crash) would you be able to PM me with the serial number of the card, this was a specific request from the engineers and I am still working with them on a fix.
 
I know this is taking a while, but I am trying to get you guys up and running as intended.
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 15:46:25 (permalink)
Sadly I am unable to send a PM due to being a (timewise) noob here, otherwise I would

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 16:00:34 (permalink)
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I didn't mean to double bump the thread, but it's actually nice to see someon have a stable FTW. I think you're maybe the 2nd person to confirm they have a stable GPU. you're lucky, and congrats.



And I don't mean to add fuel to YOUR fire! but you do realize that probably thousands of cards have been sold world wide! this is the only forum where problems are being shown which is natural and most forums only attract people with problems.
 
So your response should have been "it's nice to see you are not, one of the approximate dozen, that does have an issue" software or hardware.
 
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 17:34:52 (permalink)
Guys, although a BIOS update was previously posted here, it was determined to not be available for members to test at this time.  Dave B. later posted:
 
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Hello all, I am still working with engineering on this issue.  For anyone who has tested DSR and found that helped (I know it kills framerates, but it didn't crash) would you be able to PM me with the serial number of the card, this was a specific request from the engineers and I am still working with them on a fix.
 
I know this is taking a while, but I am trying to get you guys up and running as intended.


 
At this time, please to do not link to this BIOS on the forum.  If nothing else, it shows that EVGA is working on the issue, but please be patient while EVGA continues to work on the solution.

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/19 23:51:30 (permalink)
ShelledfadeNot just 980ftw, my reference 980 oc with boost 1495/3950 has the exact same issue as you guys on these newer 352.86 and 353.06 nvidia drivers. If I roll back to 347.88 or 350.12 I can run 10 passes of heaven benchmark and 10 passes of valley benchmark without an issue all in a row. 
Forget it on these newer drivers though. Even lowering the core and memory clocks by 100mhz doesn't even have an affect on it. TDR and blackscreen crashes everywhere in numerous games or benchmarks with nvidias newer drivers.
My card: EVGA Gtx 980 Bios: 84.04.1F.00.80 (samsung vram)

 
It's not just 900's having these issues.  Im running 780Ti SC's in SLI and everything past 347.88 has been unstable for me.  Currently Im only playing Skyrim and XCOM: Enemy Within, but I get random TDR's and crashes.  352.86 would give me BSOD after BSOD. Didn't matter if I was in game or not.  IE11 would blue screen. as well.  353.06 was completely unstable.  System would constantly blackscreen with the occasional white screen thrown in for variety.

I've rolled back to 350.12 and I still get random black and white screen lock ups.  Still need to test this with other games to see what happens.  Prior to downloading the newer drivers (350+) I had almost no issues.
 
 
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the drivers are not the issue.

 
Im not so sure about that.   Not with what has happened since the last few driver updates.  But I won't discount other issues. 

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/20 04:58:55 (permalink)
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ShelledfadeNot just 980ftw, my reference 980 oc with boost 1495/3950 has the exact same issue as you guys on these newer 352.86 and 353.06 nvidia drivers. If I roll back to 347.88 or 350.12 I can run 10 passes of heaven benchmark and 10 passes of valley benchmark without an issue all in a row. 
Forget it on these newer drivers though. Even lowering the core and memory clocks by 100mhz doesn't even have an affect on it. TDR and blackscreen crashes everywhere in numerous games or benchmarks with nvidias newer drivers.
My card: EVGA Gtx 980 Bios: 84.04.1F.00.80 (samsung vram)

 
It's not just 900's having these issues.  Im running 780Ti SC's in SLI and everything past 347.88 has been unstable for me.  Currently Im only playing Skyrim and XCOM: Enemy Within, but I get random TDR's and crashes.  352.86 would give me BSOD after BSOD. Didn't matter if I was in game or not.  IE11 would blue screen. as well.  353.06 was completely unstable.  System would constantly blackscreen with the occasional white screen thrown in for variety.

I've rolled back to 350.12 and I still get random black and white screen lock ups.  Still need to test this with other games to see what happens.  Prior to downloading the newer drivers (350+) I had almost no issues.
 
 
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the drivers are not the issue.

 
Im not so sure about that.   Not with what has happened since the last few driver updates.  But I won't discount other issues. 


I am sure about that, because not everyone has these driver issues. I haven't had a single driver fail other than if i overclock too much, and if i do, i just lower the clocks "closer" to the manufacturer specs.

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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/20 05:02:50 (permalink)
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I didn't mean to double bump the thread, but it's actually nice to see someon have a stable FTW. I think you're maybe the 2nd person to confirm they have a stable GPU. you're lucky, and congrats.



And I don't mean to add fuel to YOUR fire! but you do realize that probably thousands of cards have been sold world wide! this is the only forum where problems are being shown which is natural and most forums only attract people with problems.
 
So your response should have been "it's nice to see you are not, one of the approximate dozen, that does have an issue" software or hardware.
 
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Re: So GTX 980 FTW are very bad cards? 2015/06/20 16:24:53 (permalink)
just a quick update after using the beta bios.   Ive been playing elite dangerous in full screen mode, window mode, and 2560x1440 dsr mode, this is with air cooling.
 
window mode, with everything maxed except for bloom and supersampling, and my temp is being consistant in 40 to 50c - no crashes
 
full screen, same settings, 1 crash, had to task manager to return to desktop.  50c temp
 
dsr 2560x1440 - same settings, no crashes, but temps pushing mid 60c
 
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