Red46
Today I got my second 980FTW from RMA and I must be really in bad luck with video cards, as this one behaves exactly like the one I sent in, black screen in games and 3dmark unless I use DRS or downclock it.

n3xuz
well for funs tryed out to play on my 1080p monitor with the same overclock i achived on my 1440p monitor that i been playing on for a weeks w/o crashing, 10 minutes into a csgo game driver crash .... with 347.88 hopefully the new driver that is out has some changes but funny aswell i lost about 80fps in csgo, 1440p 300fps constant while 1080p was doing 220fps with the same setting only changed resolution im guessing gpu usage throttleing?
 
im sitting with the 980 Hydro Copper (having the same issues as the FTW cards, sent in already 2 cards for RMA)

n3xuz
im having dual Monitor setup but both screen goes complete black for a sec then comes back with that the driver crashed and restored so hard to say if its crash to desktop since i always has my desktop on screen 2 but since both screen goes black with driver crash message, think i have had some game to completly shutdown aswell 

Samsander

n3xuz
im having dual Monitor setup but both screen goes complete black for a sec then comes back with that the driver crashed and restored so hard to say if its crash to desktop since i always has my desktop on screen 2 but since both screen goes black with driver crash message, think i have had some game to completly shutdown aswell 

This is not the same problem that we have with the FTW. What you have is a driver crash and restore.
What we have with the FTW is a complete system shutdown, even the test leds on the motherboard kick in because everything just restarts.
And it doesn't even recover if you simply restart. A complete power off is needed before you can boot again and get rid of the NO SIGNAL on the monitor.

Samsander

Vlada011

Samsander

n3xuz
im having dual Monitor setup but both screen goes complete black for a sec then comes back with that the driver crashed and restored so hard to say if its crash to desktop since i always has my desktop on screen 2 but since both screen goes black with driver crash message, think i have had some game to completly shutdown aswell 

This is not the same problem that we have with the FTW. What you have is a driver crash and restore.
What we have with the FTW is a complete system shutdown, even the test leds on the motherboard kick in because everything just restarts.
And it doesn't even recover if you simply restart. A complete power off is needed before you can boot again and get rid of the NO SIGNAL on the monitor.

That happen and with other unstable cards... not restarts...
Only sometimes lose signal when you uninstall or install driver and than need patience...
And you need to shut down on case button keeping 5sec... than after 2-3 min people enable PC continue with installation drivers.
Not every time. 

Why did I read this with Russian accent?
 
 
 

stalinx20

wickedwayne

djmorgan
Hardware or software! those that think it hardware perhaps should read this, software is and does cause needed resets
 
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/847580/geforce-drivers/official-nvidia-353-30-whql-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-2015-06-22-/
 
 
David

It's amazing that even with the official responses in this thread you are still adamant about blaming it on a driver issue. It's like you don't even read any comments here.
 
Also, you should probably read what those drivers have fixed in the changelog because you obviously didn't read those too. 
 
They didn't fix anything, literally.
 
 

I can't do anything but shake my head for those that thought that the latest drivers were actually going to fix the FTW. It's not. THis is not a driver issue, and never was a driver issue. Unstable card is unstable card. I'm not sure what it's going to take for the techs to "consider" the theory that the GPU is not getting enough voltage, or that the voltage is throttling (which some users have found out). WHen you have an unstable card, the drivers are going to fail no matter what you put on it. Hense the reason when you have unstable overclocks, your gpu's drivers crash.

As far as the voltage, I'm not even sure if the techs can provide more power to the card. I think it's peaked. If that is the case, your only resolution is down-clocking the card. Sorry. There is no way around it.

Samsander

stalinx20

wickedwayne

djmorgan
Hardware or software! those that think it hardware perhaps should read this, software is and does cause needed resets
 
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/847580/geforce-drivers/official-nvidia-353-30-whql-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-2015-06-22-/
 
 
David

It's amazing that even with the official responses in this thread you are still adamant about blaming it on a driver issue. It's like you don't even read any comments here.
 
Also, you should probably read what those drivers have fixed in the changelog because you obviously didn't read those too. 
 
They didn't fix anything, literally.
 
 

I can't do anything but shake my head for those that thought that the latest drivers were actually going to fix the FTW. It's not. THis is not a driver issue, and never was a driver issue. Unstable card is unstable card. I'm not sure what it's going to take for the techs to "consider" the theory that the GPU is not getting enough voltage, or that the voltage is throttling (which some users have found out). WHen you have an unstable card, the drivers are going to fail no matter what you put on it. Hense the reason when you have unstable overclocks, your gpu's drivers crash.

As far as the voltage, I'm not even sure if the techs can provide more power to the card. I think it's peaked. If that is the case, your only resolution is down-clocking the card. Sorry. There is no way around it.

The voltage lock is probably not the issue though. Because even at 1.175 & 1.150v the card is stable at 1380Mhz if you run it at a constant 100% power draw. (I tested this by changing the voltages in the BIOS, anything below 1.150v was unstable at 1380Mhz and resulted in application crashing and a driver recovery, NOT a black screen BSOD).
It will crash though when the power draw starts going up high and down to the low draw (with any voltage). The problem is most likely the card not adjusting in time for those drastic power changes.
So 1.2v is more then enough if you ask me. I've seen people running at ~1500Mhz without touching the voltage on non FTW models.
 
Example: http://www.overclock.net/...lub/5070#post_23189477

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

wickedwayne

djmorgan
Hardware or software! those that think it hardware perhaps should read this, software is and does cause needed resets
 
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/847580/geforce-drivers/official-nvidia-353-30-whql-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-2015-06-22-/
 
 
David

It's amazing that even with the official responses in this thread you are still adamant about blaming it on a driver issue. It's like you don't even read any comments here.
 
Also, you should probably read what those drivers have fixed in the changelog because you obviously didn't read those too. 
 
They didn't fix anything, literally.
 
 

I can't do anything but shake my head for those that thought that the latest drivers were actually going to fix the FTW. It's not. THis is not a driver issue, and never was a driver issue. Unstable card is unstable card. I'm not sure what it's going to take for the techs to "consider" the theory that the GPU is not getting enough voltage, or that the voltage is throttling (which some users have found out). WHen you have an unstable card, the drivers are going to fail no matter what you put on it. Hense the reason when you have unstable overclocks, your gpu's drivers crash.

As far as the voltage, I'm not even sure if the techs can provide more power to the card. I think it's peaked. If that is the case, your only resolution is down-clocking the card. Sorry. There is no way around it.

The voltage lock is probably not the issue though. Because even at 1.175 & 1.150v the card is stable at 1380Mhz if you run it at a constant 100% power draw. (I tested this by changing the voltages in the BIOS, anything below 1.150v was unstable at 1380Mhz and resulted in application crashing and a driver recovery, NOT a black screen BSOD).
It will crash though when the power draw starts going up high and down to the low draw (with any voltage). The problem is most likely the card not adjusting in time for those drastic power changes.
So 1.2v is more then enough if you ask me. I've seen people running at ~1500Mhz without touching the voltage on non FTW models.
 
Example: http://www.overclock.net/...lub/5070#post_23189477

So, in a sense, it is a voltage issue... in order for the GPU to remain stable, it has to stay at a constant voltage (in your case you modified the bios to make the GPU run at 100% power draw...not sure if that's safe, but I bet you have a much hotter gpu, right? with it being stable, of course) I don't mean to sound specific or trying to be correct here, but, *Anything in which the application crashes, and/or driver recovery (leading up to, but not limited to BSOD) relates to the unit has in fact crashed and has to reset itself in order to acquire stabilization again, Due to the clocks trying to acquire the additional power, in this case the FTW.
 
1.2 for sure might be enough, but that is where the power is pushing "almost"  to Nvidia limitations. So, yes the voltage lock is "one of the reasons" the FTW is not running 100% stable. I'm pretty sure 1.25 is the cutoff point to where they are not allowed to achieve anymore. Needless to say that is probably why their first "BIOS fix" probably showed their attempt to lower the clocks rather than to increase the voltage.

No, you didn't understand me. You can't change the power draw in BIOS to always draw a constant 100%. The power draw of 100% I achieved with the Furmark Benchmark.
All I did in the BIOS is played with the voltages just to see how low can I set the voltage at the stock BOOST clock without the benchmark crashing or the driver recovering.
 
I also tried to set a constant 1.2v in BIOS at all states just to test if it was the voltage fluctuation that is causing all the problems.
This didn't help at all. Even with a constant locked 1.2v the card still crashed with a black screen when the power draw started changing drastically.

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

wickedwayne

djmorgan
Hardware or software! those that think it hardware perhaps should read this, software is and does cause needed resets
 
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/847580/geforce-drivers/official-nvidia-353-30-whql-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-2015-06-22-/
 
 
David

It's amazing that even with the official responses in this thread you are still adamant about blaming it on a driver issue. It's like you don't even read any comments here.
 
Also, you should probably read what those drivers have fixed in the changelog because you obviously didn't read those too. 
 
They didn't fix anything, literally.
 
 

I can't do anything but shake my head for those that thought that the latest drivers were actually going to fix the FTW. It's not. THis is not a driver issue, and never was a driver issue. Unstable card is unstable card. I'm not sure what it's going to take for the techs to "consider" the theory that the GPU is not getting enough voltage, or that the voltage is throttling (which some users have found out). WHen you have an unstable card, the drivers are going to fail no matter what you put on it. Hense the reason when you have unstable overclocks, your gpu's drivers crash.

As far as the voltage, I'm not even sure if the techs can provide more power to the card. I think it's peaked. If that is the case, your only resolution is down-clocking the card. Sorry. There is no way around it.

The voltage lock is probably not the issue though. Because even at 1.175 & 1.150v the card is stable at 1380Mhz if you run it at a constant 100% power draw. (I tested this by changing the voltages in the BIOS, anything below 1.150v was unstable at 1380Mhz and resulted in application crashing and a driver recovery, NOT a black screen BSOD).
It will crash though when the power draw starts going up high and down to the low draw (with any voltage). The problem is most likely the card not adjusting in time for those drastic power changes.
So 1.2v is more then enough if you ask me. I've seen people running at ~1500Mhz without touching the voltage on non FTW models.
 
Example: http://www.overclock.net/...lub/5070#post_23189477

So, in a sense, it is a voltage issue... in order for the GPU to remain stable, it has to stay at a constant voltage (in your case you modified the bios to make the GPU run at 100% power draw...not sure if that's safe, but I bet you have a much hotter gpu, right? with it being stable, of course) I don't mean to sound specific or trying to be correct here, but, *Anything in which the application crashes, and/or driver recovery (leading up to, but not limited to BSOD) relates to the unit has in fact crashed and has to reset itself in order to acquire stabilization again, Due to the clocks trying to acquire the additional power, in this case the FTW.
 
1.2 for sure might be enough, but that is where the power is pushing "almost"  to Nvidia limitations. So, yes the voltage lock is "one of the reasons" the FTW is not running 100% stable. I'm pretty sure 1.25 is the cutoff point to where they are not allowed to achieve anymore. Needless to say that is probably why their first "BIOS fix" probably showed their attempt to lower the clocks rather than to increase the voltage.

No, you didn't understand me. You can't change the power draw in BIOS to always draw a constant 100%. The power draw of 100% I achieved with the Furmark Benchmark.
All I did in the BIOS is played with the voltages just to see how low can I set the voltage at the stock BOOST clock without the benchmark crashing or the driver recovering.
 
I also tried to set a constant 1.2v in BIOS at all states just to test if it was the voltage fluctuation that is causing all the problems.
This didn't help at all. Even with a constant locked 1.2v the card still crashed with a black screen when the power draw started changing drastically.

If that didn't help at all, then the conclusion is that the card just has too high of clocks. I know that's not the answer anyone wants to hear, but the logical thing to do is, again, lower the clocks till you get a stable card until they have a BIOS fix. Not trying to justify the situation, but is a boost of 100mhz really that mind blowing?

High clock is also not the issue. As already said many times, You can run the FTW at ~1450Mhz with that locked voltage and it will run fine for hours as long as you run a heavy benchmark like Furmark or Kombustor that maxes out the power draw.
 
If the clock was simply to high those benchmarks would crash and burn. But they do not. I did manage to crash Furmark when it came close to 1490Mhz. And that was an app crash with a driver recovery. Not a black screen BSOD.

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

wickedwayne

djmorgan
Hardware or software! those that think it hardware perhaps should read this, software is and does cause needed resets
 
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/847580/geforce-drivers/official-nvidia-353-30-whql-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-2015-06-22-/
 
 
David

It's amazing that even with the official responses in this thread you are still adamant about blaming it on a driver issue. It's like you don't even read any comments here.
 
Also, you should probably read what those drivers have fixed in the changelog because you obviously didn't read those too. 
 
They didn't fix anything, literally.
 
 

I can't do anything but shake my head for those that thought that the latest drivers were actually going to fix the FTW. It's not. THis is not a driver issue, and never was a driver issue. Unstable card is unstable card. I'm not sure what it's going to take for the techs to "consider" the theory that the GPU is not getting enough voltage, or that the voltage is throttling (which some users have found out). WHen you have an unstable card, the drivers are going to fail no matter what you put on it. Hense the reason when you have unstable overclocks, your gpu's drivers crash.

As far as the voltage, I'm not even sure if the techs can provide more power to the card. I think it's peaked. If that is the case, your only resolution is down-clocking the card. Sorry. There is no way around it.

The voltage lock is probably not the issue though. Because even at 1.175 & 1.150v the card is stable at 1380Mhz if you run it at a constant 100% power draw. (I tested this by changing the voltages in the BIOS, anything below 1.150v was unstable at 1380Mhz and resulted in application crashing and a driver recovery, NOT a black screen BSOD).
It will crash though when the power draw starts going up high and down to the low draw (with any voltage). The problem is most likely the card not adjusting in time for those drastic power changes.
So 1.2v is more then enough if you ask me. I've seen people running at ~1500Mhz without touching the voltage on non FTW models.
 
Example: http://www.overclock.net/...lub/5070#post_23189477

So, in a sense, it is a voltage issue... in order for the GPU to remain stable, it has to stay at a constant voltage (in your case you modified the bios to make the GPU run at 100% power draw...not sure if that's safe, but I bet you have a much hotter gpu, right? with it being stable, of course) I don't mean to sound specific or trying to be correct here, but, *Anything in which the application crashes, and/or driver recovery (leading up to, but not limited to BSOD) relates to the unit has in fact crashed and has to reset itself in order to acquire stabilization again, Due to the clocks trying to acquire the additional power, in this case the FTW.
 
1.2 for sure might be enough, but that is where the power is pushing "almost"  to Nvidia limitations. So, yes the voltage lock is "one of the reasons" the FTW is not running 100% stable. I'm pretty sure 1.25 is the cutoff point to where they are not allowed to achieve anymore. Needless to say that is probably why their first "BIOS fix" probably showed their attempt to lower the clocks rather than to increase the voltage.

No, you didn't understand me. You can't change the power draw in BIOS to always draw a constant 100%. The power draw of 100% I achieved with the Furmark Benchmark.
All I did in the BIOS is played with the voltages just to see how low can I set the voltage at the stock BOOST clock without the benchmark crashing or the driver recovering.
 
I also tried to set a constant 1.2v in BIOS at all states just to test if it was the voltage fluctuation that is causing all the problems.
This didn't help at all. Even with a constant locked 1.2v the card still crashed with a black screen when the power draw started changing drastically.

If that didn't help at all, then the conclusion is that the card just has too high of clocks. I know that's not the answer anyone wants to hear, but the logical thing to do is, again, lower the clocks till you get a stable card until they have a BIOS fix. Not trying to justify the situation, but is a boost of 100mhz really that mind blowing?

High clock is also not the issue. As already said many times, You can run the FTW at ~1450Mhz with that locked voltage and it will run fine for hours as long as you run a heavy benchmark like Furmark or Kombustor that maxes out the power draw.
 
If the clock was simply to high those benchmarks would crash and burn. But they do not. I did manage to crash Furmark when it came close to 1490Mhz. And that was an app crash with a driver recovery. Not a black screen BSOD.

It has to be. The higher your clock, the more power you need. I can run the scenario you guys are having with the FTW with my reference model, and I can make the GPU's drivers crash day in and day out (you understand the point i'm making here.) - - - So, the GPU is not getting sufficient power when it is not under load. Try running Assassin's creed unity maxed settings. Or, even shadows of morder with ultra textures. what happens? Does it still crash?

I can tell you for sure that it will crash unless you set everything to Ultra, disable vsync and run at 4K DSR. Keep that power draw high and nothing crashes. Even if you go above the stock 1380Mhz boost clock.

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

Samsander

stalinx20

wickedwayne

djmorgan
Hardware or software! those that think it hardware perhaps should read this, software is and does cause needed resets
 
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/847580/geforce-drivers/official-nvidia-353-30-whql-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-2015-06-22-/
 
 
David

It's amazing that even with the official responses in this thread you are still adamant about blaming it on a driver issue. It's like you don't even read any comments here.
 
Also, you should probably read what those drivers have fixed in the changelog because you obviously didn't read those too. 
 
They didn't fix anything, literally.
 
 

I can't do anything but shake my head for those that thought that the latest drivers were actually going to fix the FTW. It's not. THis is not a driver issue, and never was a driver issue. Unstable card is unstable card. I'm not sure what it's going to take for the techs to "consider" the theory that the GPU is not getting enough voltage, or that the voltage is throttling (which some users have found out). WHen you have an unstable card, the drivers are going to fail no matter what you put on it. Hense the reason when you have unstable overclocks, your gpu's drivers crash.

As far as the voltage, I'm not even sure if the techs can provide more power to the card. I think it's peaked. If that is the case, your only resolution is down-clocking the card. Sorry. There is no way around it.

The voltage lock is probably not the issue though. Because even at 1.175 & 1.150v the card is stable at 1380Mhz if you run it at a constant 100% power draw. (I tested this by changing the voltages in the BIOS, anything below 1.150v was unstable at 1380Mhz and resulted in application crashing and a driver recovery, NOT a black screen BSOD).
It will crash though when the power draw starts going up high and down to the low draw (with any voltage). The problem is most likely the card not adjusting in time for those drastic power changes.
So 1.2v is more then enough if you ask me. I've seen people running at ~1500Mhz without touching the voltage on non FTW models.
 
Example: http://www.overclock.net/...lub/5070#post_23189477

So, in a sense, it is a voltage issue... in order for the GPU to remain stable, it has to stay at a constant voltage (in your case you modified the bios to make the GPU run at 100% power draw...not sure if that's safe, but I bet you have a much hotter gpu, right? with it being stable, of course) I don't mean to sound specific or trying to be correct here, but, *Anything in which the application crashes, and/or driver recovery (leading up to, but not limited to BSOD) relates to the unit has in fact crashed and has to reset itself in order to acquire stabilization again, Due to the clocks trying to acquire the additional power, in this case the FTW.
 
1.2 for sure might be enough, but that is where the power is pushing "almost"  to Nvidia limitations. So, yes the voltage lock is "one of the reasons" the FTW is not running 100% stable. I'm pretty sure 1.25 is the cutoff point to where they are not allowed to achieve anymore. Needless to say that is probably why their first "BIOS fix" probably showed their attempt to lower the clocks rather than to increase the voltage.

No, you didn't understand me. You can't change the power draw in BIOS to always draw a constant 100%. The power draw of 100% I achieved with the Furmark Benchmark.
All I did in the BIOS is played with the voltages just to see how low can I set the voltage at the stock BOOST clock without the benchmark crashing or the driver recovering.
 
I also tried to set a constant 1.2v in BIOS at all states just to test if it was the voltage fluctuation that is causing all the problems.
This didn't help at all. Even with a constant locked 1.2v the card still crashed with a black screen when the power draw started changing drastically.

If that didn't help at all, then the conclusion is that the card just has too high of clocks. I know that's not the answer anyone wants to hear, but the logical thing to do is, again, lower the clocks till you get a stable card until they have a BIOS fix. Not trying to justify the situation, but is a boost of 100mhz really that mind blowing?

High clock is also not the issue. As already said many times, You can run the FTW at ~1450Mhz with that locked voltage and it will run fine for hours as long as you run a heavy benchmark like Furmark or Kombustor that maxes out the power draw.
 
If the clock was simply to high those benchmarks would crash and burn. But they do not. I did manage to crash Furmark when it came close to 1490Mhz. And that was an app crash with a driver recovery. Not a black screen BSOD.

It has to be. The higher your clock, the more power you need. I can run the scenario you guys are having with the FTW with my reference model, and I can make the GPU's drivers crash day in and day out (you understand the point i'm making here.) - - - So, the GPU is not getting sufficient power when it is not under load. Try running Assassin's creed unity maxed settings. Or, even shadows of morder with ultra textures. what happens? Does it still crash?

I can tell you for sure that it will crash unless you set everything to Ultra, disable vsync and run at 4K DSR. Keep that power draw high and nothing crashes. Even if you go above the stock 1380Mhz boost clock.

I think the #1 resolution they should consider is having 1 of the power plugs using an 8pin. more power sufficiency and better voltage going to the card.

It does use one 8pin and one 6pin.