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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 09:25:36 (permalink)
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Do you think using boost lock on X1 would help mitigate those spikes? This keeps the gpu at full power state and hold boost clock all time 😒🤔



Boost lock can cause some weird behavior from what I've heard, but maybe.  Like I said before, I have seen quite a few folks complaining about Call of Duty games having issues with 30-series cards, so it may not even be the system having an issue, it may be the game - but the reboot/power reset you described says there's something else going on as well, but I do know that the black screen thing in the CoD games is posted about a lot. 
It's entirely possible part of the problem is the spikes these cards do, but if it's ONLY happening in the one title, I'd say it's the game that's part of the issue before anything else.  If you can replicate it in something else, then it trends towards it being hardware related.
 
 
The power draw in Metro Exodus in the first few levels is pretty low, but when you get in to the more open world levels towards the second half of the game it gets pretty heavy.  I was seeing 450-490W even with the card at my 2100MHz @ 1025mV setting - and that was with DLSS on Quality, but with everything else maxed out.
One weird issue I'm having with that game is every time I load it, I have to reset my visual settings to get them to load/work properly, the game launches in 3840 x 1080 despite it saying it's set to 5120 x 1440... I have a feeling this is a Super Ultrawide issue, since I don't see any reports of this being a widespread thing with the Enhanced Edition, or maybe I just haven't looked hard enough.  It's not a huge deal, but having to do it every time I start the game is annoying.  I'm almost done with it though, doing Sam's Story then I'm finished with the game & it's DLCs... not sure if I'll replay it anytime soon or not, it was a very visually awesome game with a good story, but replay-ability is pretty limited because despite it being semi-open world on each level, your path you have to take to get the story progressed on each level is pretty limited on the bigger levels.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 09:56:11 (permalink)
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Do you think using boost lock on X1 would help mitigate those spikes? This keeps the gpu at full power state and hold boost clock all time 😒🤔



Probably not. There are two different kinds of spikes that seem to be prevalent. One is due to the weird voltage jump when a game jumps from a low power state to a high power state. That is what seems to be happening to people who's 3080's and 3090's crap out with the red light of death during Halo or League of Legends or something...what your describing might help those folks, but I couldn't say for certain. Then there are the high power usage spikes that happen when actually using the card in high power loads like games where the GPU is at 100% utilization. Those are just there...I don't know what scenes or gaming events cause them, but it seems like the whole 30-series has higher spikes than any cards before them, which is why people have had issues with 750W and even some cheaper 850W supplies even though the spec says 750W should be enough. I haven't seen a lot of documentation about what they look like or what you can expect from them, but I'd personally be hesitant to run any 3090 with less than a 1000W PSU (let alone a KP lol), especially while overclocking everything in the system. Now, you do not have a cheap 850W PSU, and I bet if everything was stock you wouldn't have a problem, but the KP is already not "stock" and if you threw some extra +'s in the speeds, it would definitely hit higher than stock. You do have an efficient CPU (especially compared to mine that peaks ~250W during an r23 run lol), so that should definitely help. Another question I would have for you is how old is your PSU? Something like transient spike handling capability could degrade over time. Usually the T2's are built like tanks so I would think it should take quite a while before it had trouble, but there are very limited data-points out there for exactly what the spikes look like, what power supplies can handle (exactly), and if/when you might be in trouble. The 30-series totally changed the game in my mind, as for years people were buying way bigger PSUs than they needed...now, not so much.

Bought in 2016 summer and never pushed past like 30 40% load lol till now atleast
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 10:13:58 (permalink)
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Bought in 2016 summer and never pushed past like 30 40% load lol till now atleast



That's a 10 year warrantied part, so I wouldn't think it would be giving up due to prolonged harsh conditions. Debadger brought up a great point about trying other titles to see if anything else has the issue.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 11:17:30 (permalink)
Might have been just cod being dumb on new super gpu 😆
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 20:51:26 (permalink)
so it did it again, causes video outputs to all shutoff, mobo and KP LCD screens are still working, and causes pc to restart
same game, this time with undervolt on gpu with decent clock playing butter smooth then bam black out lol
iirc it was 1.075v and 2175mhz effective reading off LED on card
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 20:52:37 (permalink)
once I get home tomorrow, I will check out other games and see if same thing happens there
hope its just this game specifically and not the card :/
 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 02:59:27 (permalink)
now that I think about it, I think its just my memory reaching a high enough temperature to cause instability which happens when under sustained load, since benchmarks don't last long
post edited by CptT95 - 2021/05/28 04:41:23
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 05:21:29 (permalink)
Will check and see if thats the case tonight by lowering mem clocks, have an MP5works active backplate cooler on the way, and should get here Tuesday
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 09:15:16 (permalink)
What do you all think?
Was I too aggressive on mem clocks for stock voltage and cooling? 😆
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 09:32:40 (permalink)
Could also try Msi Afterburner, basically the only good thing about MSI right now 😆
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 10:47:02 (permalink)
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What do you all think?
Was I too aggressive on mem clocks for stock voltage and cooling? 😆



I think you need to move this discussion over to the memory overclocking thread or something lol. Hijacking Debadger's build blog like this...sheesh 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 11:13:02 (permalink)
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What do you all think?
Was I too aggressive on mem clocks for stock voltage and cooling? 😆



I think you need to move this discussion over to the memory overclocking thread or something lol. Hijacking Debadger's build blog like this...sheesh 

Oops my bad 😆🤣
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 17:13:40 (permalink)
Try running the RAM at stock to eliminate that as causing the issue.  If it still happens, it's either a PSU spike, or it's the game.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 17:14:42 (permalink)
running lower mem did the trick in keeping from hard crash lol
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 17:28:00 (permalink)
Nice rig, I don't even want to know how much it cost.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 18:34:07 (permalink)
who him or me?
honestly I think I lost track around 5K lol
Edit- Just realized what thread this is XD
got too many tabs with threads open 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 18:40:06 (permalink)
Either, I didn't quote and the thread is pretty long. I would have stopped counting already. Dream rig for sure though.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/28 18:42:34 (permalink)
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Either, I didn't quote and the thread is pretty long. I would have stopped counting already. Dream rig for sure though.

I am not even finished yet, need to get higher binned memory to hit 4K cl14, for whenever AMD updates agesa to support 2K clocks, upgrade 5800x to 5950x, expand my cooling setup to have 3 rads and 2 pumps/reservoirs, various extra fittings needed for this expansion lol
Edit-also did I mention I "only" have a 850w t2?
with the KP pushing close to 550w with classified tool, I need more power if I want to tweak like I want 
post edited by CptT95 - 2021/05/28 18:49:10
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/29 07:50:07 (permalink)
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Either, I didn't quote and the thread is pretty long. I would have stopped counting already. Dream rig for sure though.



Especially if you include the monitor, it's well in to the $5k range.  GPU now that it has a HydroCopper block is basically $2319 if you could find it at MSRP, CPU is $799-$850 (again if you could find it at MSRP).  Motherboard (again with the if you could get it at MSRP thing) is in the $350+ range, RAM kit I'm rocking now is $489, the combined cooling loop is roughly $700 before fans, fans add another $400 to that (EK Vardars are esspensive), monitor is $1199-$1399 depending on if you can find it on sale, then the drives are up there too, M.2s without the M.2 card installed add up to $600 or there about, regular SSDs & HDDs add another $800 or so (the 4TB Samsung SSD is the big kahuna in terms of cost there).  Power Supply, again, if you could even find it at MSRP, is retailing for more now than it was when I got it (MSRP on eVGA website is over $300, I paid $189 for it on a christmas sale).
 
Things I would complain about for sure: Keyboard & headset, never buying either of those again.  This K100 is already experiencing random stuck keys or keys that won't respond and it's only 3-4 months old.  I purposefully took great care of it, even putting the plastic cover back on when it's not in use, so I really don't undersand it at all, I 100% regret spending over $200 on this thing.  Headset is pretty much the same deal, it's falling apart & I've literally never abused it.  The thing is 6 months old & the plastic has already started breaking near the leather headband as well as the screw-in area on one of the ear cups breaking off partially.  I've literally NEVER had a headset fall apart like this before even with ones I've actually abused. 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/29 08:31:57 (permalink)
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Either, I didn't quote and the thread is pretty long. I would have stopped counting already. Dream rig for sure though.

I am not even finished yet, need to get higher binned memory to hit 4K cl14, for whenever AMD updates agesa to support 2K clocks, upgrade 5800x to 5950x, expand my cooling setup to have 3 rads and 2 pumps/reservoirs, various extra fittings needed for this expansion lol
Edit-also did I mention I "only" have a 850w t2?
with the KP pushing close to 550w with classified tool, I need more power if I want to tweak like I want 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/31 09:49:30 (permalink)
My personal favorite is the blue one.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/06/01 15:05:23 (permalink)
damn I am looking forward to the day I can have a build like this! looking really marvelous!
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/06/01 19:43:49 (permalink)
KekW I was spot on on my 3080 Ti pricing guesses looks like, MSRP for Founders Edition is $1199, I expect high end models will clear $1500.
 
Unfortunately due to my car needing new tires (2/32 tread on the front tires yikes) and thusly also an alignment, I doubt I'll have the money available to pick one up & give it a test-arino.  That's going to run me upwards of $800 with taxes & whatnot (tires are ~$150 each before the discount I'll be getting), but at least it's the last thing I have to worry about with it for a while.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/06/01 23:30:25 (permalink)
Holy moly, tires! That's like 3 drops of rain and you're hydroplaning!
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/06/02 16:25:16 (permalink)
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Holy moly, tires! That's like 3 drops of rain and you're hydroplaning!



Yeah that's why I haven't driven it since getting the inspection done during it's oil change.  I'll be taking it in in the morning & getting the new ones on, and then getting the windshield replaced, which the dealer is paying for because they were going to do that before they sold it but I came at them for it 2 days after they bought the vehicle from the last owner.
 
Looking forward to once this is over with so I can actually drive it, second vehicle I've actually owned-owned (as in paid in full no loan etc).  It's a nice BMW from right after they updated their technology to support things like bluetooth phone connection etc., pretty good stereo system (which is important for me cuz if I can't jam on the way to work I show up in a bad mood LOL).  Never owned a beamer before, so far with what little I've driven it, it's acceptable.
 
 
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I do wonder if they're actually going to have Hybrids/HCs on release for once - they've literally never done that before, but then again, they had HCs & such listed on launch day for the 3080 & 3090 and we didn't actually get those models for months... or in the HCs case, except for the initial release, we haven't gotten them period. lol

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/06/02 19:44:53 (permalink)
Nice, enjoy the Bimmer! I had an E85 M Roadster for 7 years, was a blast the entire time. Watch out for dealers though, they will take your firstborn. Find a reputable independent mechanic, they are common for euro brands because the dealers charge such extortionate rates.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/06/03 13:53:35 (permalink)
nice!
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/06/03 16:25:02 (permalink)
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Nice, enjoy the Bimmer! I had an E85 M Roadster for 7 years, was a blast the entire time. Watch out for dealers though, they will take your firstborn. Find a reputable independent mechanic, they are common for euro brands because the dealers charge such extortionate rates.



Yeah I have a friend who is a mechanic that won't charge me an arm and a leg unless the repairs actually cost that much.  Eventually I'm going to have him figure out where the slow oil seepage is coming from.  I would assume it's one of the rubber gaskets or something, it's way too slow of a leak to be anything major.  It runs like a champ & doesn't have any other issues, especially now that the windshield is replaced & it's got new tires.  After the alignment is done on Saturday, it might as well be a new vehicle.  Inside is pristine other than one small "wear" area on the passenger side inside door handle, all of the rest of the leather is in insanely good shape, especially considering it's a 2007 vehicle.  Managed to grab the dealer's pictures of it before they took them down, they're low res as heck, but they get the point across:
 





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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/06/03 21:14:13 (permalink)
Think I'm done with this crap.
 
I am beyond tired of fighting with this stupid thing.  I changed LITERALLY NOTHING IN BIOS trying to find a power option for my USB type C port because it wasn't detecting my phone properly, and it refused to boot again at 3800/1900 regardless of what I changed.  I even updated BIOS thinking that would help, made absolutely no difference.  Went as high as 1.55V on the RAM, still wouldn't boot.  Tried DOCP/XMP timings with 3800/1900 at 1.5V/1.125V, still F9.
 
If it wasn't such an absolutely gargantuan pain in the *** to take this loop apart & change the mounting bracket on my CPU block again, I'd've already done it.  
 
Beyond infuriating that I can literally boot at these settings for DAYS, USE THEM for DAYS with ZERO issues then it will randomly stop POSTing & F9 when I changed ABSOLUTELY ZERO SETTINGS.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/06/03 21:23:31 (permalink)
Did a quick pop just to make sure things are working semi-properly.  This is at stock CPU with 3600 RAM/1800 FCLK, GPU is "only" at +135/+1250: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/62331928 so almost 15.4k isn't bad at all.  Effective clock was around 2150MHz average.
 
I just don't understand why it suddenly refuses to boot at the higher settings.

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