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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/28 20:58:05 (permalink)
Testing boost behavior, plus 105 core resulted in 2145-2160 readout in benchmark, with effective clock being 2085-2115 throughout.
 
Temps barely went up a smidge despite the +100mV and OC on the VRAM to +1100.  Also, junction temp still stuck at 52C I approve of.  Score is irrelevant because that wasn't the purpose of the test (and my CPU/RAM/FCLK are at stock stock, not even PBO enabled).
 

 
Unfortunately one of the backplate screws the HC block does NOT reuse is one that clamps the backplate on to some of the pads I'm running back there, I have a feeling that's having a minor effect, but still... 52C is a far cry from 66-72C I was seeing before.
 
I'm probably going to run PR Stress Test just to have solid before & after numbers from a longer load, but I'm gonna wait til I take a shower in a bit to do that since it's 36mins long.
 
Edit: Bumped it up to +135, new high score for the system, 14537 :-P at stock CPU KekW 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/28 21:54:14 (permalink)
XD I can't even run +165 core now because it tries to boost too high & crashes PR.  I used to be able to run +165 core for multiple runs because of the lower boost bin meaning I'd only hit ~2175-2190 during the test... now +165 is trying to hit 2220.
 
I did manage this run:
 
14627: https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1013655
That's +150/+1250
 
Edit to add: screencap with the temps:

 
Think I'm going to finally experiment with higher RAM clocks & see if I can finally run more than 1250 without insta-crash.
 
But right now, after a long day of slaving away on this thing, it's shower time while I run the PR Stress Test at my 2160 @ 1068mV / +1000 VRAM settings that I called my 24/7 stable settings on the Intel setup.  I want as close to an apples to apples comparison on GPU steady state temps as I can get.
 
Edit to add: I'll be adding a lorge photo dump of the build/assembly process, what pictures I did take anyway cuz once I got stressed out & stopped taking pictures, after I get out of the shower.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/28 23:34:55 (permalink)
So the big reveal, I'll just copy pasta my post from the other thread, numbers comparison to AIO + backplate cooling mods vs KP HC block + backplate cooling mods (with a loose backplate cuz no screw in one place it should be thanks to the block) :
 

Have to say I am disappointed in these results:
 

 
GPU: 45.4C
GPU2: 45.3C
GPU Hot Spot: 56.6C
Mem1: 36.6C
Mem2: 39.3C
Mem3: 38.7C
Memory Junction Temp: 58C
PWR1: 43.0C
PWR2: 38.1C
PWR3: 37.5C
PWR4: 38.3C
PWR5: 38.4C
 
I was just expecting... I dunno.  Not that it's not impressive, memory temps below 40C for a 36 minute stress test at +1000 is nice.  I guess either the Kingpin AIO does a better job than I gave it credit for, or this block is the beta tier like I assume it is compared to how low it can go with a full coverage block that's higher end.
 
Either way, overall I'd say it's a good purchase for those worried about memory temperatures etc, because that is a pretty gigantic difference, even with the backplate side cooling mods, this is (compared to running the AIO with the backplate pads/paste/heatsinks) :
 
GPU: -3.4C
GPU2: -5.6C
GPU Hot Spot wasn't available yet when I last ran the PR ST on the card with the AIO
Mem1: -9C
Mem2: -12.7C
Mem3: -9.6C
Mem Junction Temp: -10C
PWR1: -5.1C
PWR2: -2.1C
PWR3: -10.2C
PWR4: +4.1C --- So the two hotter VRMs are running cooler now, 
PWR5: +3.9C --- but the 2 formerly coolest ones are now hotter
 
I guess looking at those numbers I shouldn't be disappointed.  It is a 15-25% reduction in iCX Mem temps, and overall everything is running cooler... I do wonder if I had the flow the right way (The GUIDE SAYS INLET ON THE SIDE CLOSER TO THE NVLINK BRIDGE but the ARROWS on the block say otherwise) if it would run even cooler?  I'll never know cuz there's 0% chance I'm taking this loop apart for anything but cleaning.


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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/28 23:52:16 (permalink)
Photos:
 

No, I didn't clean it up anymore than that, including the putty. lol
 

 
I did change the stock pads out for 12Wm/K ones, no idea what they use stock, but it was the same kinda feel/look wise as the stock pads that come on the backplate-side of the card.  So imo they're not ideal.
 

 
During the fill/leak test process after I removed the paper towels cuz she wasn't leakin'.
 

 
The fan booster box did not last (fan fell over & tried to eat it lol)
 

 
First boot... or not, I had to reset CMOS because it freaked out having 4 sticks of RAM with no CMOS Clear for it to relearn the timings.
 

 
Now we have boot... with the lovely white LED because my display still isn't working half the time when the system comes on/boots in to Windows, resulting in me having to unplug the monitor cord & plug it back in.  Unsure if this is because of the Motherboard, the monitor, or the GPU... I learn towards GPU or monitor because this also happened with the 9900K system on occasion.  Usually it only happens on first boot, or after a BIOS reset/new voltages that result in the system turning off before resetting to load them.
 

 
Seriously, whether I need 64GB of RAM or not... these sticks look sick.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 00:09:52 (permalink)
Which Bios are these tested on?
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 00:11:25 (permalink)
Looks great! I made the same mistake when I switched to 4x Tridents from another type of RAM.. would not boot at all. Cleared CMOS and it still would not boot/just kept cycling, thought I had a bad stick. So I switched to 2x to test and got it up and running. Tested the other 2 sticks.... which also worked. After that I could put in all 4 and it booted without issues.
 
Something about switching RAM models AND going from 2->4 at the same time drove it crazy though. Lesson learned!


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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 00:11:53 (permalink)
Updated to a newer Mod Rigs build link etc:
 
https://www.modsrigs.com/revise.aspx?id=42891
 
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Which Bios are these tested on?



BIOS on the card or the motherboard? Motherboard is version 3402 from 3/22/2021.  GPU is the 520W Re-Bar BIOS update they put out via Precision X1's updater stuff.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 00:19:03 (permalink)
Oh and, little side note & nice thing about the arrangement I have now for fan flow, I no longer need a RAM fan because the top intake is blowing air through the sticks.  During the PR Stress Test they barely got up to 34-36C on the DIMM Temps.
 
Also find it funny my VRM on the motherboard never went above 27C. lol It's amazing what a little airflow will do for parts that are already running pretty cool.  Chipset I'm keeping at 51-53C with that fan that's down there cooling the lower M.2 just passively giving the Chipset air somewhat.
 
I'm just glad I don't have leaks... now that I'm thoroughly exhausted from fightin got get this thing assembled all day, time to relax, watch some videos or something then go the heck to sleep.
 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 01:51:47 (permalink)

 
This "coordinate lighting with music" setting is occasionally very entertaining. lol

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 02:59:09 (permalink)
I have officially surpassed my 9900K/3090 FTW3 Hybrid number in PR, and I finally got Time Spy to give me a darn score that was better... not sure what's up with that, but I couldn't get over 20K again for a while there.
 
PR: 14785 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1013856
Crazy thing with that run is all I did was close HWInfo & MSI Afterburner (and other background processes unnecessary to run the benchmark) and went from 14633 to 14785 O_o
Time Spy: 20310 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19984785 with a measly +135 core offset no less.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 08:57:26 (permalink)
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 09:55:07 (permalink)
Finally ordered all my stuff to fix my flow. Looks like some of the parts won't be here till next Friday. What a long week it's going to be! :P $500 out the door, but it's going to be nice 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 10:48:50 (permalink)
Is that PR score with stock cpu settings still or did you start tuning again?
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 11:13:25 (permalink)
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Finally ordered all my stuff to fix my flow. Looks like some of the parts won't be here till next Friday. What a long week it's going to be! :P $500 out the door, but it's going to be nice 




I can't believe the Kingpin HC block queue hasn't moved anymore... there were either tons of people that didn't report that queued for it, or supply was bad, or they're holding most of the blocks to be put on cards to sell them has KP HC out the gate.
 
Granted, the 2 seconds it did move could've been dozens/hundreds of notifies with the way people can do direct-link Auto-Notify sign up now, but still... yikes.
 
This reminds me, time to check out the lighting on the block and hope it's not just the inlet/outlet white thing that lights up, if it is I'm going to be very sad.
 
Edit: I'm very sad - zero plexi-glass lighting present.
 
I don't get why they went full-r-tard on the RGB lighting on the FTW3 HydroCopper blocks but have absolutely none on the Kingpin... people that don't want it can turn it off, **** man :(
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 11:24:46 (permalink)
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Is that PR score with stock cpu settings still or did you start tuning again?




The 14.6k is with the CPU at 4.65GHz all core.
 
I'm still 300pts short of the non-mirage scores I've gotten with the card, but I'm also using much newer drivers that likely don't score as high, and there's the whole "windows lottery" of whether or not your system boots up in a mood to score well that people talk about in most PR threads.
 
When I get around to really pushing for high scores, I'll probably try disabling CCD2 & seeing if I can get 5GHz or so stable enough to pass benchmarks with 1900 FCLK/3800 RAM... right now I haven't been able to get 3800MHz running yet on 4 sticks.
 
Kind of debating being super stupid & ordering a 4x8 RAM kit that's the sale Royal type with 4000 being the stock speed, but I'm not really interested in reselling these kits & taking a loss on them.  Going to try either today or tomorrow to get 3800MHz running again - I'll probably turn DOCP off, set to 3800MHz & let the BIOS auto the timings so it will (hopefully) boot, then see what it reads out at in Zen Timings in Windows, and tighten it down from there.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 11:32:44 (permalink)
Ya I’m personally curious of the gains from a 2000mhz IF. I really wanted the 4000 cl15 kit but it wasn’t on the motherboard QVL so I didn’t want to risk it and the early AGESA was touchy over 1900
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 12:19:31 (permalink)
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Ya I’m personally curious of the gains from a 2000mhz IF. I really wanted the 4000 cl15 kit but it wasn’t on the motherboard QVL so I didn’t want to risk it and the early AGESA was touchy over 1900



Will be interesting to see once that update comes out that hopefully allows it.
 
 
 
So I'm running a stability test on the CPU again (CPU/FPU/Cache so it's drawing 215-222W according to HWInfo's package power readout), checked my watt-o-meter (which only has the PSU plugged in to it) - with just the CPU radiator fans spun up, I'm seeing 390-400W at the wall :-D
Load temps are ever so slightly lower (about 2-4C), neat that adding extra radiator space etc resulted in a drop at all when the loop is so over-capable of handling the CPU's heat load as it was, let alone now.
Warmest motherboard VRM temp yet... at a blazing 37C 
 
If I ever actually hit something that got full draw on the CPU & GPU and spun up all the fans that are controlled based on temps, I'm pretty sure I'd see over 1000W from the wall for sure. 
 
Guess that means the rest of my system is drawing at least 150W or so though, which given it's 9 fans (6 on the CPU radiator & 3 other fans, two of which are the bottom intake, spin up to max when the CPU is running this warm), and the GPU drawing around 32W because it's displaying stuff, isn't too horrible, but it's definitely not on the "light" side.
 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 14:21:45 (permalink)
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Ya I’m personally curious of the gains from a 2000mhz IF. I really wanted the 4000 cl15 kit but it wasn’t on the motherboard QVL so I didn’t want to risk it and the early AGESA was touchy over 1900



Will be interesting to see once that update comes out that hopefully allows it.
 
 
 
So I'm running a stability test on the CPU again (CPU/FPU/Cache so it's drawing 215-222W according to HWInfo's package power readout), checked my watt-o-meter (which only has the PSU plugged in to it) - with just the CPU radiator fans spun up, I'm seeing 390-400W at the wall :-D
Load temps are ever so slightly lower (about 2-4C), neat that adding extra radiator space etc resulted in a drop at all when the loop is so over-capable of handling the CPU's heat load as it was, let alone now.
Warmest motherboard VRM temp yet... at a blazing 37C 
 
If I ever actually hit something that got full draw on the CPU & GPU and spun up all the fans that are controlled based on temps, I'm pretty sure I'd see over 1000W from the wall for sure. 
 
Guess that means the rest of my system is drawing at least 150W or so though, which given it's 9 fans (6 on the CPU radiator & 3 other fans, two of which are the bottom intake, spin up to max when the CPU is running this warm), and the GPU drawing around 32W because it's displaying stuff, isn't too horrible, but it's definitely not on the "light" side.
 
I'm so glad I picked up that 460W tiny eVGA PSU for leak testing though, that made the whole process faster because I didn't have to fully unplug stuff in my system to run the pump for leak testing off my system's PSU.  
 
 



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I do love my Optimus block so far, but would love to know how it compares to a full mononblock. 
 
 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 14:33:56 (permalink)
I used a monoblock on my z390 hero, they’re good but the cpu runs a couple of C higher because it’s dissipating VRM heat as well. Visually it looked great, if I could post photos I would. The performance of the optimus cpu block will be much better for cpu temps. It and the ekwb quantum magnitude cpu blocks are the best two you can get and they’re only about 1-2C max cooler than a standard block from the testing I saw in reviews.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 14:39:37 (permalink)
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I used a monoblock on my z390 hero, they’re good but the cpu runs a couple of C higher because it’s dissipating VRM heat as well. Visually it looked great, if I could post photos I would. The performance of the optimus cpu block will be much better for cpu temps. It and the ekwb quantum magnitude cpu blocks are the best two you can get and they’re only about 1-2C max cooler than a standard block from the testing I saw GN do.


I'm wondering though, if I would have that problem. The VRMs would cool after the CPU, the water reaching the CPU first would always be near the same temperature.  One of these days I have to meter the temperature of the water before it reaches the reservoir. 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 15:07:11 (permalink)
With how cool the VRMs already run on this board, especially in my case, a monoblock would just be a waste.  All you really need is a fan blowing at them & they stay cool.  Literally never passed 37C while doing that all-core stress test that had the CPU sitting at 68-80C throughout & the RAM floating in the high 30s/low 40s.
 
Don't get me wrong, monoblocks look sick, but there's no chance in h-e-double-hockey-sticks I'm taking this loop apart again until it's cleaning time. lol
 
I really wish chipset on this motherboard didn't run so warm & the chipset fan wasn't so dumb (literally turned off because chipset is at 54C & it deems that "fine" lol).  At least with the KP block the chipset fan is partially not blocked so the fan I have blowing on the lower M.2 is also blowing air in that area - under CPU loads that spins up along with the case intake fans, chipset drops down to 51C most of the time so far.  I just don't like anything in the system running warmer than it has to be, and the fact that the PCH fan is like "NAH MATE I OFF" and I can't do anything about it unless I want to take the board out & remove the chipset heatsinks cover to re-wire it or replace it with a better heatsink, is pretty annoying.
 
 
I'm really perturbed about the zero RGB on the plexi for the HydroCopper KP block though, but I had a strong feeling that was how it would be. 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 16:05:35 (permalink)
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With how cool the VRMs already run on this board, especially in my case, a monoblock would just be a waste.  All you really need is a fan blowing at them & they stay cool.  Literally never passed 37C while doing that all-core stress test that had the CPU sitting at 68-80C throughout & the RAM floating in the high 30s/low 40s.
 
Don't get me wrong, monoblocks look sick, but there's no chance in h-e-double-hockey-sticks I'm taking this loop apart again until it's cleaning time. lol
 
I really wish chipset on this motherboard didn't run so warm & the chipset fan wasn't so dumb (literally turned off because chipset is at 54C & it deems that "fine" lol).  At least with the KP block the chipset fan is partially not blocked so the fan I have blowing on the lower M.2 is also blowing air in that area - under CPU loads that spins up along with the case intake fans, chipset drops down to 51C most of the time so far.  I just don't like anything in the system running warmer than it has to be, and the fact that the PCH fan is like "NAH MATE I OFF" and I can't do anything about it unless I want to take the board out & remove the chipset heatsinks cover to re-wire it or replace it with a better heatsink, is pretty annoying.
 
 
I'm really perturbed about the zero RGB on the plexi for the HydroCopper KP block though, but I had a strong feeling that was how it would be. 




That does stink about the lighting for the RGB. Like don't even include RGB if it's just the light on the side. Do the lights on the fans light up your card at all?
I'm not too excited about fixing my loop next week. Last time I redid everything I started at noon and finished at 2am. This time shouldn't be nearly as rough.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 16:39:24 (permalink)
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That does stink about the lighting for the RGB. Like don't even include RGB if it's just the light on the side. Do the lights on the fans light up your card at all?
I'm not too excited about fixing my loop next week. Last time I redid everything I started at noon and finished at 2am. This time shouldn't be nearly as rough.



Sounds like me doing this assembly yesterday.  Started at 8AM, finished as the sun was going down. lol Granted there was a 2 hour lunch & other issue in the middle there, but still.  I did take my time, but it still took a lot longer than I expected.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 17:01:22 (permalink)
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I used a monoblock on my z390 hero, they’re good but the cpu runs a couple of C higher because it’s dissipating VRM heat as well. Visually it looked great, if I could post photos I would. The performance of the optimus cpu block will be much better for cpu temps. It and the ekwb quantum magnitude cpu blocks are the best two you can get and they’re only about 1-2C max cooler than a standard block from the testing I saw GN do.


I'm wondering though, if I would have that problem. The VRMs would cool after the CPU, the water reaching the CPU first would always be near the same temperature.  One of these days I have to meter the temperature of the water before it reaches the reservoir. 

I shouldn’t even say it’s “worse” performance as that could just boil down to which cpu block youre comparing against and with a chiller I doubt the extra heat will be noticeable. But the optimus block is definitely at worst #2 and the quantum magnitude is probably $80-100 more depending on what store/sales etc. I think I paid $190 for my black acetal quantum block. Optimus was just all out of stock at ppcs at the time.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 18:32:23 (permalink)
Thanks for the results.  Now I got to decide do I want to spend 1k for block and water cooling setup.   
Guess I could just change the fans on the rad to Noctua NF-A12x25 to get it a little bit quieter.
 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 20:06:35 (permalink)
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Thanks for the results.  Now I got to decide do I want to spend 1k for block and water cooling setup.   
Guess I could just change the fans on the rad to Noctua NF-A12x25 to get it a little bit quieter.
 

I haven't used Noctua but EKWB fans are quite low noise for the static pressure performance and you get some pretty lights I switched them day 1. I use the Vardar but the X3M that Badger is using as a few are supposed to be whisper quiet. I don't know how significant the real world performance is of switching to custom cooling outside maybe one clock cycle if youre lucky or another +100 mem gpu. The 10900k may be a different story given intels TVB. If you don't want to do full loop cooling for the aesthetics AND performance it might not be worth the investment. The kingpin is already the top 1% of 3090s but if you do look at Performance-pcs, their prices are usually lower than newegg and they have a wide selection of water-cooling parts
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 22:41:16 (permalink)
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Thanks for the results.  Now I got to decide do I want to spend 1k for block and water cooling setup.   
Guess I could just change the fans on the rad to Noctua NF-A12x25 to get it a little bit quieter.
 

I haven't used Noctua but EKWB fans are quite low noise for the static pressure performance and you get some pretty lights I switched them day 1. I use the Vardar but the X3M that Badger is using as a few are supposed to be whisper quiet. I don't know how significant the real world performance is of switching to custom cooling outside maybe one clock cycle if youre lucky or another +100 mem gpu. The 10900k may be a different story given intels TVB. If you don't want to do full loop cooling for the aesthetics AND performance it might not be worth the investment. The kingpin is already the top 1% of 3090s but if you do look at Performance-pcs, their prices are usually lower than newegg and they have a wide selection of water-cooling parts




After using them for a while, I definitely wouldn't recommend X3Ms over regular Vardars at least for Radiator use, for 2 reasons: 
1: the way the fan is shaped it actually has gaps when mounted on a radiator, which means if you're pushing a lot of air you're going to have air leaking instead of it all being pushed through the radiator like you would with a properly mounted Vardar (which are flat edged)
2: The mounting hardware for them... the rubber noise dampers they have on them mean you have to use small screws... which require a custom-sized allen-wrench hex-head to install.  What's even more annoying - EK radiators come with Hex-Head screws, at least my 480 & the P360 kit did... the hex head on those screws (and the allen key wrenches that come with them) is a smaller size than the one for the X3M fans.
 
If I had done my research and realized that, I would've never bought the 5 X3Ms I have & just went with all Vardar Evo/Whites instead.
 
the EK Vardar fans move a very impressive amount of air while at 900-1000RPM (what I have mine at idle), while being pretty much silent, and they're designed for radiator use.  If you're wanting a great quality fan with RGB (they also sell them without RGB), the Evo RGB version of the Vardars is the majority of the fans I have, and I would highly recommend those.
Oddly, the White versions vary in shade a bit, but not enough to be easily noticeable in a setup... what is odd, the lighting varies a tad from fan type to fan type - in particular, Orange is a color that shows up quite a bit different on each of the 4 types of fans I have in my system.  Some of them look yellow, some of them look orange.  But, that's not a huge deal as I've yet to notice it effecting any other color.  I think it's just a shade issue where the fans that show more of a yellow have issues with the red/yellow mix, and the ones that show a proper orange shade don't.  Perks of having slightly different models of fans I suppose.  For exactly models, I have some of their Vardar AIO fans (which are labeled differently on the fan hub), some that show Vardar S, and some that show Vardar EVO. The EVO ones show proper orange, the S ones don't.  Or maybe it's supposed to be yellow and some of them are displaying Orange... I should investigate that further.  I have them plugged in to an EK Loop Connect controlling the RGB & it's set to Fading RGB Spectrum so it goes through the colors randomly, fading in & out.
 
Also, completely different fan topic so to speak, but one of my X3Ms keeps having a lighting zone conniption fit, not sure if it's just the RGB wire is loose or there's too many devices on one chain or what, haven't messed with the wiring at all today because my hands & back needed a day off from working on this thing after working on it all day yesterday then only getting 3-4 hours of very crappy constantly-waking-up sleep.
 
 
 
Further off topic: I sold something on EBay, I go to transfer the money to my bank account, print the label, yadda yadda, then I get an email from Paypal saying the payment is on hold because: "You have received a payment that we believe may not have been authorized by the PayPal account holder." 
First thought: This is a fake email maybe?  So I go on Paypal directly (not through any link in the email cuz I'm not a moron), and there is indeed a Resolution Center case and the payment is on hold... but when I go to it it says:
 

 
??????????????????????? I didn't report anything LOL  When I click on the status it only gives me the option of "I already shipped the item" or "refund the buyer" like... excuse me?
 
What makes this a tiny bit comical is I already started the transfer from Paypal to my bank account sooooo that's going to be interesting.
 
Guess I have to get ahold of them in the morning, see if they actually need anything from me, or what is going on.  I'm definitely not shipping anything until that gets resolved, I've heard about scammers doing stuff like this & I'm not about to end up with no item & no money either.
 
 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/29 23:00:15 (permalink)
Did you ship the item already?
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/30 00:14:22 (permalink)
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Did you ship the item already?


Nah I was going to ship it this morning. Since their thing says not to ship I'm withholding till things are sorted out. I've had payments get put on hold before because it's the amount, from ebay, but with this, the email specifically mentioned the hold is for possible unauthorized account usage for the buyer's account.

I just don't get why it says I opened it, we'll see what the rep says when I wake up & call them.

Like I said if it's a scam or a legit unauthorized thing, no big deal, they can just cancel stuff then I can relist it. We'll see how it goes. I'm going to sleep lol

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/04/30 08:01:07 (permalink)
If I quote those posts it will be a whole page lol but I agree with badger then, my Vardar evo d-rgb look amazing, are quiet even on full blast and are essentially silent at 50% where I have mine idle. When noctua finally accept that rgb = moar fps I’ll try them out 😂
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