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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/22 06:26:15
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It also doesn't look like it has any of the full-retard level RGB lighting the FTW3 block does, which is very disappointing for me cuz I like me lights lol - if it wasn't for the performance difference between the Kingpin & the regular 3090 in terms of overclockability, I'd be tempted to revert to a HC FTW3 purely because the lighting on the block is sick.
That looks like a 5V addressable RGB header cable sticking out of the black piece there. So...it would seem it has some lighting. Can't really tell how much from the pictures and it could just be for the "EVGA K|NGP|N" logos.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/22 09:16:07
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It’s the classified tool that’s made me stick around and not go after a different 3090. From working on race cars that little extra bit of tuning is way too much fun to have access too. The fact that even the galax HoF is locked really makes the KP special.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/22 11:38:49
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It also doesn't look like it has any of the full-retard level RGB lighting the FTW3 block does, which is very disappointing for me cuz I like me lights lol - if it wasn't for the performance difference between the Kingpin & the regular 3090 in terms of overclockability, I'd be tempted to revert to a HC FTW3 purely because the lighting on the block is sick.
That looks like a 5V addressable RGB header cable sticking out of the black piece there. So...it would seem it has some lighting. Can't really tell how much from the pictures and it could just be for the "EVGA K|NGP|N" logos.
Yeah I think the logo on the inlet/outlet part that's white lights up and that's it. That would be sad. In a rather neat development, my 9900K/Z390/RAM combo on EBay ended up selling afterall, albeit for the minimum bid, but $700 (before fees) to get that out of my hair & to a new owner isn't too bad considering that's basically $300/$200/$200 for the processor/motherboard/RAM. The RAM is probably worth more because it's good clocking B-die but ah well.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/23 10:40:00
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Did you get in line for a waterblock? Mine got the error so I'm pretty deep in the line at 10:00:34
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/23 13:02:16
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Did you get in line for a waterblock? Mine got the error so I'm pretty deep in the line at 10:00:34
Yepper, already got invite to purchase & preparing to ship notification emails. Got in at :06, pretty much as fast as I could with the fields being auto completed and waiting on the Captcha thing to stop spinning & go to check mark.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/23 20:26:43
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Well, shipping updated now that it's finally showing as received by UPS, says Wednesday for delivery now... but typically with Ground I get it the day before it says it's going to get here, especially when something is being shipped over the weekend, so I still expect it to get here Tuesday. If not, no big deal.
I've decided I'm probably just going to stick with single-radiator to start, see how temperatures are, and go from there. Much as I actually hate reassembling & re-testing my loop, I think it's a good idea to see how it performs with the single thicc-gurl radiator before going to a dual rad setup. So at first it'll be CPU to GPU to radiator, and we'll see how it goes.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/24 15:52:55
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Dabadger84 I was looking to get the rest of the parts to build a water cooling setup and was looking at your setup that you got a few weeks back using EKWB did you get the whole kit or did you buy all the pieces. I got in on the Hydrocopper for the KP but looks like i'm way down the list. I would like to cool the KP cooler temps. Seams the card when its below 40c it runs higher boost clock. So now looking into cooling just the card. Plus it would alot quieter on the 6 fans I have cooling the KP now.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/24 16:10:42
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You're not gonna believe this:
The Asus Hyper m.2 card guide LIES. It says for 2 drives to put one in slot 1 & the other in slot 3.
I installed the 2 gen3 m.2s I have in slot 1 & 2 in the card - they both now show up in OS (with the card in the 2nd pcie x16 slot). I'm tempted to post on the Asus forums with a "why you always lying" meme.
On another note, I tested 4.6GHz all-core "stable" this morning at 1.3V set (LLC at level 3) in BIOS seeing 1.24-1.26 under heavy load testing, Temps were manageable. Currently retesting at 1.275V set in BIOS with LLC at level 4, getting the same 1.24-1.26V under full load (cpu/fpu/cache) so I'm assuming it's going to pass 1hr of stress testing. Temps at these settings are slightly lower (by a few C so far), it's 13mins in with no windows errors reported & no failure on the test yet, highest CCD TDie has is 3C lower than the previous settings that tested stable.
@wodell757 I bought the kit & got some additional parts separately. The kit is cheaper than buying the parts in the kit separately. I bought a larger radiator, some extra fittings (because I knew I wanted to add a gpu eventually), extra tubing just in case I made anything too short (which I ended up making everything too long lol), and I bought an EK XE 480mm radiator later & swapped that in. This rad laughs at the 5950X's 200-230W loads, air coming out of the exhaust side is barely warmer currently while stress testing.
Basically if you wanna do a cpu/gpu loop, you can buy the kit, add another radiator & some fittings, maybe additional tubing, and with the KP HC block, you should be good to go.
I'm going to be testing cpu+gpu with just the 480mm long 60mm thick radiator to see how Temps are, once the HC block gets here, then I'll go from there in terms of possibly adding the P360 kit's rad to the loop.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/24 17:57:08
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Oi @Clovis559 have you tested how low you can go on voltage for lower multis? I'm all the way down to 1.275V set, getting 1.24-1.26V load with LLC @ Level 4, for 4.6GHz. I think that's pretty impressive considering some folks can't hit 4.6GHz with 1.35V on the "less than ideal" 5950Xs out there. You said you're at 4.85 right? What's your set voltage & LLC level for that and what temps are you seeing with the chiller loop? Edit: Some stuffs for 4.6 @ 1.275V @ LLC level 4:  
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/24 19:41:45
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Damn those are really great numbers for 4.6!!!!!
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/24 21:26:23
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And my night just keeps getting better seeing Thug Rose win back her belt then Usman put Masvidal to sleep. Ah what a year already. lol I guess I'm gonna plug in x47 and see what she does with 1.325V & LLC 4. Edit: was not a fan of the Temps at those settings. Currently testing 4.65GHz at still 1.275V - 13mins in & no errors no failure yet. This is promising. If it can run 4650MHz at this low of a voltage it will be similar to my 3930K in that yeah I could run a higher clock at easy higher voltage, but running it at a slightly lower clock with way less voltage and lower Temps seems like an intelligent choice for the livelihood of the CPU.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/24 22:49:14
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Oi. Why did I even test lower speed. lol   4.65GHz @ 1.275V set ~1.25V get and only tickling 80C on occasion, I'll take it.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/24 23:32:57
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Broke 20K in TimeSpy: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61021559 20118 @ 4.65GHz CPU clockarinos, GPU was showing 2085-2115 effective clock during the test. Edit: Should be noted, this is with the Asus Hyper M.2 card installed in the second x16 slot, so that score is with the Kingpin running in an x8 4.0 slot.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/25 01:16:34
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Actually got the effective clock on the GPU to stick in the 2115-2130 range for this run, new best for the system: Port Royal 14479: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023791 Edit: Re-running things with all background processes I normally have running closed, so no HWInfo, Afterburner settings were set then closed: Time Spy Normal 20279: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023909 PR to come... Edit 2: Port Royal 14512: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61024029 - again with all background stuff closed out. Average temp is high because that's with no undervolt on the GPU. Edit 3: Turns out average temp was higher because the Asus Hyper M.2 card being in the slot 1-space below the GPU is causing some additional heat build up despite it being a hybrid card. Tested with it removed & highest load temp on the same test was 51C, vs with the M.2 card installed it peaks at 55C. Ah well, moot point because the card getting it's HC block will solve that issue.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/25 04:10:32
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Definitely looking great with outstanding scores.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/25 16:23:13
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Actually got the effective clock on the GPU to stick in the 2115-2130 range for this run, new best for the system:
Port Royal 14479: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023791
Edit: Re-running things with all background processes I normally have running closed, so no HWInfo, Afterburner settings were set then closed:
Time Spy Normal 20279: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023909
PR to come...
Edit 2:
Port Royal 14512: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61024029 - again with all background stuff closed out. Average temp is high because that's with no undervolt on the GPU.
Edit 3: Turns out average temp was higher because the Asus Hyper M.2 card being in the slot 1-space below the GPU is causing some additional heat build up despite it being a hybrid card. Tested with it removed & highest load temp on the same test was 51C, vs with the M.2 card installed it peaks at 55C. Ah well, moot point because the card getting it's HC block will solve that issue.
So you are getting lower scores then your 9900k build in at least Port Royal right? You had it 15.4 I believe?
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/25 17:30:19
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Actually got the effective clock on the GPU to stick in the 2115-2130 range for this run, new best for the system:
Port Royal 14479: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023791
Edit: Re-running things with all background processes I normally have running closed, so no HWInfo, Afterburner settings were set then closed:
Time Spy Normal 20279: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023909
PR to come...
Edit 2:
Port Royal 14512: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61024029 - again with all background stuff closed out. Average temp is high because that's with no undervolt on the GPU.
Edit 3: Turns out average temp was higher because the Asus Hyper M.2 card being in the slot 1-space below the GPU is causing some additional heat build up despite it being a hybrid card. Tested with it removed & highest load temp on the same test was 51C, vs with the M.2 card installed it peaks at 55C. Ah well, moot point because the card getting it's HC block will solve that issue.
So you are getting lower scores then your 9900k build in at least Port Royal right? You had it 15.4 I believe?
That PR run is a daily clock and so is the timespy from other posts. I would imagine badger is fine tuning the 5950x before striking for benchmarking runs. I would imagine under the same circumstances they would score the same. Mine is very close to even under totally different ambient temps
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/26 01:18:45
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Actually got the effective clock on the GPU to stick in the 2115-2130 range for this run, new best for the system:
Port Royal 14479: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023791
Edit: Re-running things with all background processes I normally have running closed, so no HWInfo, Afterburner settings were set then closed:
Time Spy Normal 20279: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023909
PR to come...
Edit 2:
Port Royal 14512: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61024029 - again with all background stuff closed out. Average temp is high because that's with no undervolt on the GPU.
Edit 3: Turns out average temp was higher because the Asus Hyper M.2 card being in the slot 1-space below the GPU is causing some additional heat build up despite it being a hybrid card. Tested with it removed & highest load temp on the same test was 51C, vs with the M.2 card installed it peaks at 55C. Ah well, moot point because the card getting it's HC block will solve that issue.
So you are getting lower scores then your 9900k build in at least Port Royal right? You had it 15.4 I believe?
The 15.4 run was a mirage, I was only able to hit 15.4k for 2 runs, one time, unable to recreate it since. The highest I could get on a regular daily basis was ~14.9K with the 9900K @ 5GHz, RAM heavily tuned & OCed, and the GPU being on the bleeding edge of stability. I haven't pushed the GPU yet since putting it in this setup, and since I know I have a block on the way now, I'm waiting for that to get here before I try that. I'm hoping I can actually run 2205MHz+ core, stable, and work out the secondary voltages in Classified Tool, to get it to ACTUALLY run EFFECTIVE clocks that high instead of constantly having to fight it to even hit 2100 effective. That's been the problem in all of my benchmark runs lately, the effective/actual clock the card is running at on the core is much lower than what it's showing in the 3DMark results page, and I know that because HWInfo shows it to be so, during the benchmark runs on the Afterburner/Rivatuner OSD. I know that tuning the secondary voltages can fix that, but I haven't bothered with it yet because of the block thing. The GPU is also running warmer, currently, because of the M.2 card being under it - that's another issue that should be completely resolved once the card is under a block. I'm pretty confident I could hit 14.5K at present. The 14479 was with the CPU @ 4.65GHz, and the GPU only hitting ~2085 or less effective clock. Compared to the 15.4K run being the card actually running at 2160-2190MHz the whole run, effective clocks not just set clocks. Whenever I'm going for records, it's likely I'll be running a curve optimizer undervolt curve, because that allows single core/low load workloads to boost up to 5025-5100MHz, which I believe should handily beat the 9900K in it's ability to feed the GPU frames. Then it's just a matter of getting the GPU to actually run the freakin' clocks I'm telling it to run. I've also seen increase in CPU throughput with the custom RAM timings I'm fiddling with (hit 12K in R20 with 4.65GHz + the custom timings 3800/1900 settings), that also includes 1900MHz FCLK. Unfortunately some of the custom timings I found just straight up will not boot on my system, even with the RAM voltage at 1.55V & the RAM set to 3600MHz (with 1800 FCLK) instead of 3800MHz - not sure what I'm doing wrong, as I haven't read too much in to it yet.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/26 09:06:24
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Actually got the effective clock on the GPU to stick in the 2115-2130 range for this run, new best for the system:
Port Royal 14479: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023791
Edit: Re-running things with all background processes I normally have running closed, so no HWInfo, Afterburner settings were set then closed:
Time Spy Normal 20279: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61023909
PR to come...
Edit 2:
Port Royal 14512: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61024029 - again with all background stuff closed out. Average temp is high because that's with no undervolt on the GPU.
Edit 3: Turns out average temp was higher because the Asus Hyper M.2 card being in the slot 1-space below the GPU is causing some additional heat build up despite it being a hybrid card. Tested with it removed & highest load temp on the same test was 51C, vs with the M.2 card installed it peaks at 55C. Ah well, moot point because the card getting it's HC block will solve that issue.
So you are getting lower scores then your 9900k build in at least Port Royal right? You had it 15.4 I believe?
The 15.4 run was a mirage, I was only able to hit 15.4k for 2 runs, one time, unable to recreate it since. The highest I could get on a regular daily basis was ~14.9K with the 9900K @ 5GHz, RAM heavily tuned & OCed, and the GPU being on the bleeding edge of stability.
I haven't pushed the GPU yet since putting it in this setup, and since I know I have a block on the way now, I'm waiting for that to get here before I try that. I'm hoping I can actually run 2205MHz+ core, stable, and work out the secondary voltages in Classified Tool, to get it to ACTUALLY run EFFECTIVE clocks that high instead of constantly having to fight it to even hit 2100 effective. That's been the problem in all of my benchmark runs lately, the effective/actual clock the card is running at on the core is much lower than what it's showing in the 3DMark results page, and I know that because HWInfo shows it to be so, during the benchmark runs on the Afterburner/Rivatuner OSD.
I know that tuning the secondary voltages can fix that, but I haven't bothered with it yet because of the block thing.
The GPU is also running warmer, currently, because of the M.2 card being under it - that's another issue that should be completely resolved once the card is under a block.
I'm pretty confident I could hit 14.5K at present. The 14479 was with the CPU @ 4.65GHz, and the GPU only hitting ~2085 or less effective clock. Compared to the 15.4K run being the card actually running at 2160-2190MHz the whole run, effective clocks not just set clocks.
Whenever I'm going for records, it's likely I'll be running a curve optimizer undervolt curve, because that allows single core/low load workloads to boost up to 5025-5100MHz, which I believe should handily beat the 9900K in it's ability to feed the GPU frames. Then it's just a matter of getting the GPU to actually run the freakin' clocks I'm telling it to run.
I've also seen increase in CPU throughput with the custom RAM timings I'm fiddling with (hit 12K in R20 with 4.65GHz + the custom timings 3800/1900 settings), that also includes 1900MHz FCLK. Unfortunately some of the custom timings I found just straight up will not boot on my system, even with the RAM voltage at 1.55V & the RAM set to 3600MHz (with 1800 FCLK) instead of 3800MHz - not sure what I'm doing wrong, as I haven't read too much in to it yet.
Where did you find timings for the sticks we are using or are they just b-die settings? I’ll post my ram timings in just a minute. I was able to leave my primary timings at stock 14-15-15 and shave some off of the important secondary timings at around 1.51v while bumping to 3800mhz. After the next AGESA that deals with infinity fabric I might try and push the frequency to 3866 but I got WHEA errors like crazy on AGESA 1.2.0.1 with IF at 1933
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/26 10:24:00
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Where did you find timings for the sticks we are using or are they just b-die settings? I’ll post my ram timings in just a minute. I was able to leave my primary timings at stock 14-15-15 and shave some off of the important secondary timings at around 1.51v while bumping to 3800mhz. After the next AGESA that deals with infinity fabric I might try and push the frequency to 3866 but I got WHEA errors like crazy on AGESA 1.2.0.1 with IF at 1933
Browsing through an overclock thread and eyeballing it mostly. My problem currently is I can't set the 3rd-string timings the way they have them set, and apparently that makes a huge difference. What SoC are you using for 1900MHz FCLK? I think I was testing at 1.125V, most people I've seen doing 1900+ are running in the 1.1-1.15 range I think.  I haven't tested it stable yet, but that's with some secondaries tuned & that's about it. I'll probably work on that over the next 2 days, set the CPU to a tested-stableish setting, and start clamping down the RAM timings with FCLK at 1900 & RAM at 3800, see where I can get down to. The ones that were specifically giving me trouble where the TWRRD-TRDRDSC through TWRWRDD & tCKE - I tried to set those to 1-1-7-7-1-5-5-1 as someone suggested and it literally won't boot, even at 1.55V DRAM with 1.125V SoC, and that's regardless of if I'm trying to run 3600 or 3800 RAM clock. What's weird is, the RAM shows 7-1-5-4-1-7-6-0 on those stock in Zen Timings:  and has not given me any troubles... Only thing I can think of is some of those timings don't want to go up/down that much, and I tried just leaving those alone while tuning the rest, and it did boot, didn't test for stability yet though. I'll have to try just bumping to 3800 with 1.5V, no timings tightened, maybe I got a dud of a RAM kit. lol After rewatching some of Hardware Unboxed's videos, I'm kind of regretting now just splurging a bit extra & getting a 4-stick kit to begin with. The gains in games from going from 2 to 4, and the fact that I wouldn't have to worry about running out of RAM (which has happened to me once so far) would be nice, but spending another $375 on a second kit, and then having to fight with the timings because 4 sticks tune differently from 2, is a bit of a meh. And the kit went up $25 since I bought it...
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
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Edit I see you’re on 32gb so the same kit exactly (as long as they don’t bin neo vs royal). So I haven’t touched any of the really obscure timings yet because mine was finicky as well. I got most of my gains from Trfc and Trc which you already have about the same as mine (my Trfc didn’t like 310 so I went with 320) I’ll have to see where mine ended up with auto on the others and report back. My SoC voltage is in the 1.15 range I think but I never turned it down after trying to go higher on frequency. I may try to wiggle that down some now that I think about it.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
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Edit I see you’re on 32gb so the same kit exactly (as long as they don’t bin neo vs royal). So I haven’t touched any of the really obscure timings yet because mine was finicky as well. I got most of my gains from Trfc and Trc which you already have about the same as mine (my Trfc didn’t like 310 so I went with 320) I’ll have to see where mine ended up with auto on the others and report back. My SoC voltage is in the 1.15 range I think but I never turned it down after trying to go higher on frequency. I may try to wiggle that down some now that I think about it.
Yeah, pretty sure there's no difference between the Neo & Royal CL14 3600MHz kits, other than the looks, so we should be able to hit around the same stuff. I'll try manually setting what the primaries auto to & pushing to 1900FCLK/3800DRAM with 1.51 like you are & see what happens, at the very least it'll let me see around about what performance should be like at that speed if I can stabilize it.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/26 14:13:03
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Went ahead & ordered a second RAM kit before they go up in price anymore. Hopefully I don't regret that decision :-P
Should be here Wednesday or Thursday. Hopefully not long after the GPU block... that may be here tomorrow or Wednesday.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/26 14:53:37
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Went ahead & ordered a second RAM kit before they go up in price anymore. Hopefully I don't regret that decision :-P
Should be here Wednesday or Thursday. Hopefully not long after the GPU block... that may be here tomorrow or Wednesday.
I think with some tweaking it shouldn't be a huge deal. at worst you may just have to go back to DOCP and start fresh. I'm sure 3600cl14 is still in high demand too, it's a great spot for ryzen that basically every cpu can hit. I put the 16-19 kit in a TUF b450m for my friend (yay newegg shuffle combos...) and it runs that IF speed no problem
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
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Went ahead & ordered a second RAM kit before they go up in price anymore. Hopefully I don't regret that decision :-P
Should be here Wednesday or Thursday. Hopefully not long after the GPU block... that may be here tomorrow or Wednesday.
I think with some tweaking it shouldn't be a huge deal. at worst you may just have to go back to DOCP and start fresh. I'm sure 3600cl14 is still in high demand too, it's a great spot for ryzen that basically every cpu can hit. I put the 16-19 kit in a TUF b450m for my friend (yay newegg shuffle combos...) and it runs that IF speed no problem
Would be one sad chip out of the 3000/5000-series if it can't hit 1800 infinity clock lol Since I know I have a fresh kit incoming, I'm just going to wait til that arrives to fiddle with the RAM much more, as I'm pretty sure I'll have to start from scratch once I go from 2 DIMMs to 4, in terms of how I can run some of the non-primary timings. Hopefully I can still hit 1900MHz Infinity Clock, I've seen some people comment that running the memory controller with 4 DIMMs stresses it out a fair bit more, which makes sense, so I may have to push closer to 1.15V on it to get 1900. We'll see. I replaced the thermal pad on one of the 2 Motherboard M.2 heatspreaders, and it's pretty impressive how much of a difference it made. the 2TB 980 Pro was running noticeably warmer than the 1TB (that has more airflow because it's next to the GPU so it's getting airflow from the RAM fan as well as the backplate fan), now they're running the same temp or the 2TB is slightly cooler. I'll have to swap the 1TB heatspreader to a 6W Pad while I have the Kingpin out of the way for it's transition to having a block on it. Just looked at temps after the gaming sessions I had, 1TB hit 40C/50C Temp1/2, 2TB only hit 37C/45C, and the 2TB is the drive that has the actual game on it, 1TB is OS. Of course, the 1TB has the exhaust of the GPU backplate fan & RAM fan like I said, so not surprising it runs warmer now that the cooling is better on the other M.2 - mayhaps they'll go back to even again once that M.2 is under a better thermal pad. The yellow/off-white pads Asus uses stock on the motherboard M.2s as well as the Asus Hyper M.2 card are pretty cheap feeling, if I had to guess they're very low thermal conductivity, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
2021/04/26 15:37:04
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Maaaaan Newegg why you do dis. Order was placed at 3:12PM my time which is 2:12PM Pacific but I bet it still won't ship today. Lazy bassards. Ah well, not like I'm in a big hurry since the system will likely be down for at least part of Wednesday anyway, so even if it arrives then, I won't be doing much beyond putting it in & running at stock most likely. I plan to let the loop leak test for at least 2-3 hours before I put it back in the system, now that I have a lil' eVGA 460W PSU to leak test with, I don't have to mess with running wires from my case to the loop leak testing area lol
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
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I think the "daily ceiling" on SoC voltage is 1.2v so I was using that as my ceiling for pushing the RAM/IF clock
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
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I think the "daily ceiling" on SoC voltage is 1.2v so I was using that as my ceiling for pushing the RAM/IF clock
From what I understand from Buildzoid & other videos referencing it 1.2 is about as high as you should go for daily yes. I wonder if there's a noticeable heat difference between stock SoC & 1.2, I'll have to test that with all other settings the same, just the FCLK increased with RAM, see if there's a notable heat difference on the CPU. Imagine it's only on a few degrees at most, if that. Probably wait to test that til I have the 4-sticks in since otherwise it'll be kind of a waste of time since I have to go back to scratch at that point :-D
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build
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I think I just came the closest I’ve ever been to having a heart attack. After these posts I pulled up hwinfo64 to check my settings and realized my cpu had stopped going over base clock and wouldn’t draw over 0.92v. Fixed it by resetting the whole pc to default settings and starting from scratch... have you come across anything similar I’m trying to figure out why it happened. My only conclusion is the pc got pissed it was without any power for two days during my move but that doesn’t seem right.
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I think I just came the closest I’ve ever been to having a heart attack. After these posts I pulled up hwinfo64 to check my settings and realized my cpu had stopped going over base clock and wouldn’t draw over 0.92v. Fixed it by resetting the whole pc to default settings and starting from scratch... have you come across anything similar I’m trying to figure out why it happened. My only conclusion is the pc got pissed it was without any power for two days during my move but that doesn’t seem right.
I've had some weird behavior in reference to whether or not my GPU wants to actually output video that's been going on since I assembled the system, sometimes I have to literally unplug it (from the computer) & power cycle the monitor to get it to display that Windows logon screen is there. Other than that & the not posting/training when I'm trying to test memory timings (which I think is normal... maybe? Maybe I'm just not hitting the Retry button enough times?) I haven't had an issues... but then again my system is on every day. Tomorrow, assuming the Kingpin HydroCopper Block arrives on schedule, will be the first time it's not on for most of the day, and that will be of course because it'll be being operated on. I haven't noticed my CPU doing anything like that yet. Other than the FMax option I mentioned before resulting in lower boost clocks etc, I've had no issues with it getting stick or not performing properly. I plugged in 3800MHz RAM (just voltage bump nothing else changed from DOCP) @ 1.5V, FCLK 1900MHz @ 1.125V and booted with the CPU still at 4.65GHz @ 1.275V LLC Level 4, and got some swanky numbers... pretty sure this is almost the highest R20 I've gotten. I have no idea if it's stable or not, haven't done any prolonged testing yet:  Tempted to throw Time Spy at it just because I know that will result in a new high score. Probably will shortly.
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