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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 14:10:46 (permalink)
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61298485 14806, as expected, not much of a bump, but there was one... scoring is very inconsistent because of the GPU boost being so funky.  But I think that's the first time I've ever ran +1300 VRAM & had something pass a benchmark.  So that's neat.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 14:23:14 (permalink)
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I'm running PR & Timespy, not expecting huge gains from +50mhz all core but who knows. Timespy was disappointing. 9pt gain. Lol

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I'm literally on a campaign now to get them to switch/redo that post with what it looks like now instead of the mess it was in the version they posted :-P lol
 
The 3080 with that crazy arse fan setup was from... December?  I think maybe even November.  I'm trying to remember when I got the 3080 cuz it wasn't long after that...




Did you see the facebook post? It's even worse over there lol. I posted a picture for you...and clarified to the people that thought you put a 650W PSU in your 3080+9900k build. Honestly, I feel like they were trying to do you a solid, but people are easily confused...and jerks.


Why would anyone think I had a 650W PSU? It literally says 1200 P2 on the side of the power supply. XD



I mean...I know that...most people would just look at it and know that...but somebody posted a picture of a contest showing that you had one a 650W EVGA PSU. Then they called you a kid. 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 14:37:25 (permalink)
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I'm running PR & Timespy, not expecting huge gains from +50mhz all core but who knows. Timespy was disappointing. 9pt gain. Lol

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I'm literally on a campaign now to get them to switch/redo that post with what it looks like now instead of the mess it was in the version they posted :-P lol

The 3080 with that crazy arse fan setup was from... December?  I think maybe even November.  I'm trying to remember when I got the 3080 cuz it wasn't long after that...




Did you see the facebook post? It's even worse over there lol. I posted a picture for you...and clarified to the people that thought you put a 650W PSU in your 3080+9900k build. Honestly, I feel like they were trying to do you a solid, but people are easily confused...and jerks.


Why would anyone think I had a 650W PSU? It literally says 1200 P2 on the side of the power supply. XD



I mean...I know that...most people would just look at it and know that...but somebody posted a picture of a contest showing that you had one a 650W EVGA PSU. Then they called you a kid. 


Wait what? I don't think I've ever had a 650W. The system I built for my dad that's a 8700K/z390/GTX 1060 has a 850W if memory serves. Which is overkill, but it's the psu I had on hand for it at the time.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 14:44:54 (permalink)
They posted this picture

 
Which is also funny in that it happened after that system in the picture was built lol. Also...I can't figure out what contest that even is.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 14:55:22 (permalink)
March 2021 is recent did you win something and not realize it? A 650w gold psu could run anything under a 3080 no problem if you’re building a second pc 🤷‍♂️ I put one in a shop pc running a 1070 (waiting on a 3060ti) and 5600x to have plenty of spare headroom
Edit: badger do you really have that many issues with windows and benchmarks? I can throw my benchmark profile on classified and pump out high 15200-153xx without fail even with gpu temps hitting 50C plus (I’m losing like two clock cycles at that point) and riot anti-cheat/bitdefender still running. What are your voltages on classified? Or was that 14800 a daily oc score again
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 15:04:46 (permalink)
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They posted this picture

 
Which is also funny in that it happened after that system in the picture was built lol. Also...I can't figure out what contest that even is.


I legitimately never got any notification what so ever that I won this. Where is this even from?

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March 2021 is recent did you win something and not realize it? A 650w gold psu could run anything under a 3080 no problem if you’re building a second pc 🤷‍♂️ I put one in a shop pc running a 1070 (waiting on a 3060ti) and 5600x to have plenty of spare headroom
Edit: badger do you really have that many issues with windows and benchmarks? I can throw my benchmark profile on classified and pump out high 15200-153xx without fail even with gpu temps hitting 50C plus (I’m losing like two clock cycles at that point) and riot anti-cheat/bitdefender still running. What are your voltages on classified? Or was that 14800 a daily oc score again


I'm not using classified tool at all yet.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 15:05:20 (permalink)
Edit: that makes more sense. My daily just has mem pushed to 1.4v but it will pass 3d mark stress tests above 98% even if I forget and 1.05 for the third voltage. 14800 is high for no classified tool it sounds like it is dialing in well
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 15:11:39 (permalink)
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Edit: that makes more sense. My daily just has mem pushed to 1.4v but it will pass 3d mark stress tests above 98% even if I forget and 1.05 for the third voltage. 14800 is high for no classified tool it sounds like it is dialing in well


Yeah like I said in the past, those 2 15.4k runs I did felt like Mirages. I've never hit higher than high 14.9s since on the 9900K system heavily tuned. I think I might be able to get back there now, but the 5950X with all them cores will be a limiting factor maybe.

At the settings that 14.8k is from above on the gpu, the 9900K system running regular benchmarking settings would've gotten somewhere between 14.6-14.9

I think.

I figured out where that psu dealio is. I wrote evga an email just asking why there's no notifications sent out about these winnings, I never got any email or anything about it. Totally did not know I won it until you mentioned it just now lol

Edit: doing an hour stress test at 4.7GHz @ 1.3V LLC still at level 4. We're 53 mins in, peak Temps are 82C on the TDie & 85/84C on the CCDs with the lows at 65C - again that's with letting the loop read equilibrium for the first 20mins, then letting hwinfo monitor. If that's stable stable I'll be quite happy.

Should be noted that's with all radiator & intake fans at full tilt. Room ambient is a nice even 70F
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 15:22:05 (permalink)
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Edit: that makes more sense. My daily just has mem pushed to 1.4v but it will pass 3d mark stress tests above 98% even if I forget and 1.05 for the third voltage. 14800 is high for no classified tool it sounds like it is dialing in well


What voltages are you using in the tool for your runs if you don't mind sharing?



There's the old screenie. I don't know if I was using classified tool or not. It's not in the screenshot so I don't think so.
And it definitely wasn't on the 1K Watt bios cuz my vRAM is running low clocks.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 15:23:20 (permalink)
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Edit: that makes more sense. My daily just has mem pushed to 1.4v but it will pass 3d mark stress tests above 98% even if I forget and 1.05 for the third voltage. 14800 is high for no classified tool it sounds like it is dialing in well


Yeah like I said in the past, those 2 15.4k runs I did felt like Mirages. I've never hit higher than high 14.9s since on the 9900K system heavily tuned. I think I might be able to get back there now, but the 5950X with all them cores will be a limiting factor maybe.

At the settings that 14.8k is from above on the gpu, the 9900K system running regular benchmarking settings would've gotten somewhere between 14.6-14.9

I think.

I figured out where that psu dealio is. I wrote evga an email just asking why there's no notifications sent out about these winnings, I never got any email or anything about it. Totally did not know I won it until you mentioned it just now lol

It’s not modsrigs because I thought that was money. Maybe it’s a forum giveaway or something from Twitter? Free parts are always nice though.

Edit: daily it’s
Auto
1.40
1.05
LL 1
Switch frequency 400

Benchmark:
1.15 +\- depending on which 3d mark test
1.41875 (+1600 mem)
1.0675-1.075 on the last voltage
LL 3 on both
Switch frequency 1000khz
Both ocp on and no dipswitches flicked
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 15:39:09 (permalink)
So apparently I'm fulla crap or that screenshot was edited:
 

 
Worth noting, most of those voltages are barely over what mine read out at stock if I remember correctly (MSVDD was 1.0875V, FBVDD was like 1.36 or some such).  But still... I literally NEVER duplicated those scores again.  I'm very sure I tried with the exact same settings.
 
I'll have to find where my copy of the classified tool is & give it a go.
 
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It’s not modsrigs because I thought that was money. Maybe it’s a forum giveaway or something from Twitter? Free parts are always nice though.

Edit: daily it’s
Auto
1.40
1.05
LL 1
Switch frequency 400

Benchmark:
1.15 +\- depending on which 3d mark test
1.41875 (+1600 mem)
1.0675-1.075 on the last voltage
LL 3 on both
Switch frequency 1000khz
Both ocp on and no dipswitches flicked



Thanks, I'll have to try those out at some point.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 15:54:05 (permalink)
Progress:
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61301264 14975 @ +165/+1300 - no idea what the effective clocks were cuz that's with all background processes closed during the run except classified tool.
 

 
I think I'm being gimped by drivers at this point... I'm going to revert to the old old ones that I ran the 15.4k runs on, see if that helps.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 17:17:32 (permalink)
Tried a few different driver versions, no joy unfortunately, can't crack the 15k barrier as yet.  I'll mess with it more tomorrow, for now I'm taking my 4.7GHz stableish victory & chillin'
 
Managed to hit a new 'personal best' in Cinebench R20... I did not run Time Spy at the settings for the 14975 PR run to see if it would pass.
 

 
Gotta say if this is actually stable stable, which it tested for an hour with no issues in what I normally run that fails on stuff that's unstable, that's purdy good.  R20 run was done with HWInfo closed, then I opened it back up just to have the voltages & such displayed on the screenshot in case I lose my settings somehow.
 
Edit: That's 47x multi, 1.300V set in BIOS, CPU LLC Level 4, and under all core load it's getting... 1.269-1.281 according to HWinfo - so yeah, if this is actually stable-stable that's impressive indeed.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 18:00:19 (permalink)
Curious to know ur GPU Temps now that you have the KP Hydrocopper block? Do you see much of a difference vs the AIO? What core Temps are you seeing? If possible please post ur ambient Temps and water temps!
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/03 18:54:47 (permalink)
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Curious to know ur GPU Temps now that you have the KP Hydrocopper block? Do you see much of a difference vs the AIO? What core Temps are you seeing? If possible please post ur ambient Temps and water temps!



That information is scattered in this thread post block install as well as being in the other thread I have going about cooling the backplate side VRAM chips better: https://forums.evga.com/3090-Kingpin-amp-others-Get-that-backside-VRAM-cool-m3219773-p27.aspx 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/04 00:04:20 (permalink)
Copy/pasta from the VRAM cooling thread:
 
So this hit 44.17C in the GPU tracker built in to 3DMark for Time Spy:
 
 
Time Spy: 20505  https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20083758 
Port Royal: 14993  https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1021106 
 
At this point I'm becoming irritated that I can't hit 15k in PR for some stupid reason no matter what I do.
 
Oh, that's with PBO + Curve Optimizer, not 4.7GHz all core.  So if I can get those clocks to run with the 4.7 settings my Time Spy should be higher because of the CPU test at the end.
 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/04 07:15:07 (permalink)
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Copy/pasta from the VRAM cooling thread:
 
So this hit 44.17C in the GPU tracker built in to 3DMark for Time Spy:
 
 
Time Spy: 20505  https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20083758 
Port Royal: 14993  https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1021106 
 
At this point I'm becoming irritated that I can't hit 15k in PR for some stupid reason no matter what I do.
 
Oh, that's with PBO + Curve Optimizer, not 4.7GHz all core.  So if I can get those clocks to run with the 4.7 settings my Time Spy should be higher because of the CPU test at the end.
 

At the vram voltage I sent I can get +1600 every time. Vram should be good for another few points to bump over 15k
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/04 18:39:00 (permalink)
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At the vram voltage I sent I can get +1600 every time. Vram should be good for another few points to bump over 15k


With mine getting hard stuck at 1250 without a voltage bump prior to the block I dunno how much higher it will go. I tried 1400 at 1.4V and it crashed out of PR pretty quickly.

I'll try your voltage bump on it & see what I can push, if the power ever comes back on. Been out for almost 4 hours. Yesh.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/04 21:13:34 (permalink)
Poggers, my idle on Memory Junction Temp got down to 28C, and that's with fans just on normal settings not full speed... Mem iCXs were all in the 20.4-21C range.  Interesting cuz my ambient is still showing 70F.  Maybe Thermalright pads have a curing period or something that I wasn't previously aware of.
 
Edit: I forgot to post this with that R20 run, this is... 4.7GHz @ 1.3V set, 1900 FCLK @ 1.125V set, 3800 CL14 RAM @ 1.5V set, stableish load temperatures etc after an hour of burn at 70F ambients:
 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/05 18:11:52 (permalink)
Dont know if its off topic but I seen some of yall using homemade chiller and was looking anyone try just using a chiller and Kingpin block?  I dont want to have to worry about the dew and condensation
but if there is a chiller that would just plug into the block and a chiller thats keeps 50deg all the time when loaded or idle?  maybe I'm dreaming but maybe some one used one here.   

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/05 18:50:48 (permalink)
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Dont know if its off topic but I seen some of yall using homemade chiller and was looking anyone try just using a chiller and Kingpin block?  I dont want to have to worry about the dew and condensation
but if there is a chiller that would just plug into the block and a chiller thats keeps 50deg all the time when loaded or idle?  maybe I'm dreaming but maybe some one used one here.   


Clovis will be when he gets his block i'm sure and would be a good person to ask and will respond to PM's. 50F (i assume not C) shouldn't be that difficult for a chiller, most people get them to try and run sub-zero. I would also assume with a chiller there's no downside to having the cpu in the loop as well.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/05 19:52:44 (permalink)
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wodell757
Dont know if its off topic but I seen some of yall using homemade chiller and was looking anyone try just using a chiller and Kingpin block?  I dont want to have to worry about the dew and condensation
but if there is a chiller that would just plug into the block and a chiller thats keeps 50deg all the time when loaded or idle?  maybe I'm dreaming but maybe some one used one here.   


Clovis will be when he gets his block i'm sure and would be a good person to ask and will respond to PM's. 50F (i assume not C) shouldn't be that difficult for a chiller, most people get them to try and run sub-zero. I would also assume with a chiller there's no downside to having the cpu in the loop as well.




My main reason for not going sub-ambient/chiller is the cost, and the condensation worries.  I have a stupid amount of airflow in my case, I would actually have to dial that back to avoid condensation issues on the CPU block I think, given the amount of heat these CPUs put out.  I imagine it would be slightly less of an issue on the GPU because the GPU block only contacts the GPU in a few areas, and any condensation would be on the block, not the PCB, I think... the CPU would be more of an issue since, unless you have your system hanging so that the block is DOWN, any condensation would run down the block and drip on to the PCIe slot sooner or later.
 
I think that's part of why LN2 overclockers always use a flat open air bench to do runs, they Vaseline up their board to protect it from the condensation, any water accumulates on top of that, so they only time they have to worry is once it makes it's way in to the socket of the CPU or the slot of the GPU.  If they ran the system in a more standard orientation, it would happen quicker because of gravity and whatnot.
 
 
Anyone interested in running a chiller should definitely do their due research in to other people's setups that have done it & what steps they follow to prevent system damage and all that jazz.  I'm sure it's fun, but I don't like spending this much on hardware once, I'd be too afraid to kill something & have to spend it again O_o lol

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/07 16:00:09 (permalink)
Think tonight maybe the night I push some benchmarks through.  Gonna depend on how cool it gets once the sun is down, dropping my room ambient an extra 2 degrees may make all the difference.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/07 17:33:51 (permalink)
Ya living in Florida I got one good shot in December and the rest has to be at whatever my ac can pull the room down to so I usually stop around 21C (69-70) on the thermostat. It’s not the best for this but it makes me pretty happy with my scores that I can hit 15300+ at 50C gpu temp. My runs that almost hit 15500 were at 44C. Cant really recreate that anymore when it’s in the 80’s outside
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/07 18:05:53 (permalink)
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Ya living in Florida I got one good shot in December and the rest has to be at whatever my ac can pull the room down to so I usually stop around 21C (69-70) on the thermostat. It’s not the best for this but it makes me pretty happy with my scores that I can hit 15300+ at 50C gpu temp. My runs that almost hit 15500 were at 44C. Cant really recreate that anymore when it’s in the 80’s outside



I already have my AC set to 68F, problem is our house AC is busted, so even with the door closed, it's having to combat hotter air coming in the room from the area under the door.  But, we had a nice storm pass around 3-4PM that cooled it down outside, and it's supposed to get down to 48F tonight (we're in the worst part of the year temps range wise, it gets up in to the 80s with high humidity during the day and gets down in to the 30s or 40s at night, so you need AC during the day & heating at night if you like things inside to stay near room temp).
 
Plan is to try & get the room nice & cool then hit some benches.
 
The 15461 run I did was with the room at 68F on the AIO with fans at max, I still say the drivers had something to do with it, and Windows just deciding to let me score well, because I literally couldn't hit 15K again with those settings after that on the Intel setup.
 
I'm going to test with my PBO boosted curve optimizer settings that let it boost up to 5.1GHz sometimes, and with 4.7GHz all core, with the same GPU settings, to see which one scores higher in Port Royal... I know all core 4.7GHz will score better in Time Spy, so I'll do the Curve tests first, then switch to 4.7 all core & go for TS & TSE personal bests.
 
20558 is my current best in Time Spy, I don't think I've run Time Spy Extreme since getting this CPU setup.
 
I'm hoping the switching monitor resolution to 2560 x 1440 before running the tests & some other tweaks will push me to at least 15.2K on PR. 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/07 20:01:59 (permalink)
Ya on an ultra wide I wonder if that does make a difference. I didn’t gain going from 1080-1440 but a 3090 at 1080p was massive overkill and PR is done in 2560x1440p which is what my overpriced monitor is now (yay Alienware... at least I only paid $800 and not the $1000+). I’m planning on using the g9 or the 165hz version when I help someone put together a driving simulator. I think the curve will be perfect for that but idk if a 2080ti can run 240hz ultra wide on iRacing
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/07 21:56:20 (permalink)
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Ya on an ultra wide I wonder if that does make a difference. I didn’t gain going from 1080-1440 but a 3090 at 1080p was massive overkill and PR is done in 2560x1440p which is what my overpriced monitor is now (yay Alienware... at least I only paid $800 and not the $1000+). I’m planning on using the g9 or the 165hz version when I help someone put together a driving simulator. I think the curve will be perfect for that but idk if a 2080ti can run 240hz ultra wide on iRacing


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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/07 22:09:28 (permalink)

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/07 22:29:54 (permalink)
“rYzEn iSnT gOoD fOr tHe KinGPin” congrats on breaking 15600 what improved the score so much?
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/07 22:45:05 (permalink)
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“rYzEn iSnT gOoD fOr tHe KinGPin” congrats on breaking 15600 what improved the score so much?



Changing my resolution to 2560 x 1440 on the monitor.  I have NO idea WHY that effects the score so much, but that's literally the only difference, ALL of my settings were the same, drivers are the same, CPU was at stock so I can probably go a little bit higher with PBO + curve optimizer.
 
Right now I'm doing Time Spy runs with 4.7GHz all core:
 
TS: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20183189 21919
TSE: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20183335 11790
 
 
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