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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/14 10:08:20 (permalink)
Try a lower SoC if you can unless you’re using more than 32gb. I think the actual 3800 kit from gskill is 14-16-16-36 which would be a spot to try as well. Download hwinfo64 if you haven’t and run it in the background to monitor while you do stuff. If you’re getting WHEA errors in HWInfo64 during normal usage it might seem stable but it’s not. When it’s a little unstable you’ll get a handful, if it’s way off you’ll get hundreds of reported whea errors that didn’t cause a full crash
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/14 14:25:19 (permalink)
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I almost always use imgbb.com then insert the img tag on either side, or use the interface to post the link.  Uploading images here is so hit & miss I stopped trying. lol
 
 

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/16 03:46:04 (permalink)
Decided I'm going to wait until the Silver kit is back in stock for the 4000/CL15 4x8 stuff.  I like the idea of the visual of the silver/platinum with the silver/nickel look of the EK Velocity block.  Kinda wish I'd went with all lighter nickel fittings now that I think about it in terms of themes, but that's all knowledge I can carry over to the next upgrade/rebuild.
 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/18 22:38:09 (permalink)
 Tomorrow... or should I say, in about 10 hours...
 

 
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232978?Item=N82E16820232978
 

 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/18 22:55:14 (permalink)
let us know how it turns out! fittings arrived today, still not exactly sure what to do for tubing between acrylic and soft tubing. Also bad news, if I want to do gen4 pcie I cant use the riser for my case. The gen 4 cable and little stand it comes with "should be coming soon" according to singularity
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/18 22:58:18 (permalink)
New personal best by a smidge: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61872130
 

 
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/22 14:39:11 (permalink)
Did you end up ordering the 4000cl15 kit?
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/22 22:37:37 (permalink)
Nice!
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/22 23:15:52 (permalink)
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Did you end up ordering the 4000cl15 kit?




Yeah, I spent about a day fighting with it because it was having to train just to run what should be pretty normal settings, but it's given me no issues in the last 2 days or so.  Set at CL14 3800MHz with 1.5V, basically the same timings as the other kit, but with all 4 slots populated, tested for an hour then I've played Metro Exodus EE & CSGO a fair bit with zero WHEA problems, so I'm fairly confident it's stable.
I haven't taken the plastic protection off them yet since initially I thought I might be returning them when they started the whole F9 loop thing at first, probably take those off today.  I'm sure it won't make a huge difference in temps, but it might help a little.  At present they idle (with fans on low speed for idle) at 28-31C and under load it depends on how high the top radiator fans ramp up, they run between 36-38C at high fan speeds, and 38-41C if they fans are in a more quiet setting.  I've thought about putting a fan more directly on them again, but given they're not running especially warm, and part of the reason I bought the kit was for the looks, I'd prefer not to cover them partially with a fan.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/23 07:53:55 (permalink)
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Did you end up ordering the 4000cl15 kit?




Yeah, I spent about a day fighting with it because it was having to train just to run what should be pretty normal settings, but it's given me no issues in the last 2 days or so.  Set at CL14 3800MHz with 1.5V, basically the same timings as the other kit, but with all 4 slots populated, tested for an hour then I've played Metro Exodus EE & CSGO a fair bit with zero WHEA problems, so I'm fairly confident it's stable.
I haven't taken the plastic protection off them yet since initially I thought I might be returning them when they started the whole F9 loop thing at first, probably take those off today.  I'm sure it won't make a huge difference in temps, but it might help a little.  At present they idle (with fans on low speed for idle) at 28-31C and under load it depends on how high the top radiator fans ramp up, they run between 36-38C at high fan speeds, and 38-41C if they fans are in a more quiet setting.  I've thought about putting a fan more directly on them again, but given they're not running especially warm, and part of the reason I bought the kit was for the looks, I'd prefer not to cover them partially with a fan.


Did you try them at DOCP before going down? I think RAM stability is fine to 50C so if you’re at max 41 with low speed you probably don’t need the fan for just those with how much air flow you have.
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/23 08:16:56 (permalink)
This looks amazing!
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/25 17:20:50 (permalink)
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Did you end up ordering the 4000cl15 kit?




Yeah, I spent about a day fighting with it because it was having to train just to run what should be pretty normal settings, but it's given me no issues in the last 2 days or so.  Set at CL14 3800MHz with 1.5V, basically the same timings as the other kit, but with all 4 slots populated, tested for an hour then I've played Metro Exodus EE & CSGO a fair bit with zero WHEA problems, so I'm fairly confident it's stable.
I haven't taken the plastic protection off them yet since initially I thought I might be returning them when they started the whole F9 loop thing at first, probably take those off today.  I'm sure it won't make a huge difference in temps, but it might help a little.  At present they idle (with fans on low speed for idle) at 28-31C and under load it depends on how high the top radiator fans ramp up, they run between 36-38C at high fan speeds, and 38-41C if they fans are in a more quiet setting.  I've thought about putting a fan more directly on them again, but given they're not running especially warm, and part of the reason I bought the kit was for the looks, I'd prefer not to cover them partially with a fan.


Did you try them at DOCP before going down? I think RAM stability is fine to 50C so if you’re at max 41 with low speed you probably don’t need the fan for just those with how much air flow you have.



Problem with DOCP is it would set to CL15 & then that requires Gear Down disabled.  CL14 at 3800MHz 1.5V seems to be perfectly happy, zero issues thus far.
 
B-Die doesn't like temperature, especially if you're pushing it.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/25 17:57:33 (permalink)
I have hit almost 50c with my setup, no fan blowing on ram and it was VERY warm in my room so that contributed to the high temps
Is liquid cooling mem worth it? how exactly does that work, curious since I am pushing my mem
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/25 18:13:16 (permalink)
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I have hit almost 50c with my setup, no fan blowing on ram and it was VERY warm in my room so that contributed to the high temps
Is liquid cooling mem worth it? how exactly does that work, curious since I am pushing my mem




Not really no, when it comes to liquid cooling.  B-Die is temperature sensitive enough that hitting over 40C may will influence your stability at more aggressive settings.  Having a fan blowing air over the sticks from the top or where-ever will make a BIG difference, any air flow at all will significantly reduce temperatures because typically in between the sticks, where the heat will actually build up, is what's needed.
Disabling the RGB while you're doing stability testing specifically will lower temperatures a degree or two in my experience, and that's with cooling/fan airflow already being a thing over them.
 
The issue with "liquid cooling" memory is that the cooling devices for them rarely actually cool what needs to be cooled properly, usually it's just liquid being channeled through metal, which then connects to metal that touches the chips.  It's not flowing liquid directly over the memory modules, which is what would really be needed.  Basically DDR4 runs about as warm as DDR5 on video cards, so doing liquid cooling on it would be overkill. 
 
Just a plain ol' fan blowing some air in to the spaces between the sticks to blow that hot air out & fresh air in will probably drop your temps 10C or so.  When I had a dedicated fan blowing over my sticks last they peaked in the low to mid 30s celsius.  Now, with the top fan of the top radiator exhaust blowing over them semi-directly, I'm seeing as high as 41C on 1 of the sticks.  So more direct airflow that's closer to them is better, but any airflow is better than no direct airflow at them.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/25 19:09:48 (permalink)
well hopefully putting a gpu under water in will eliminate a source of hot air blowing into the case and lower overall air temps down to help
Edit-not everyone has a supersize pc like yours lol hard to fit a fan in there with all the tubes in the way
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/25 19:28:00 (permalink)
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well hopefully putting a gpu under water in will eliminate a source of hot air blowing into the case and lower overall air temps down to help
Edit-not everyone has a supersize pc like yours lol hard to fit a fan in there with all the tubes in the way



Oh, yeah, if you have an air-cooled GPU that is increasing your RAM temps by at least 5-10C, guaranteed.  I had the same issue when I had the 3080 FTW3 Ultra - my RAM temps went from being low to mid 30s with the RAM fan I had to being in the low to mid 40s.  Unsurprising since said 3080 was venting 50-60C air in to the case directly on the M.2 & RAM areas.  Going to the liquid cooled HC card will lower your RAM temps & M.2 temps a good bit would be my guess.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/26 12:28:03 (permalink)
So I actually went through the trouble of taking the RAM out, taking the plastic protective covers off, and then putting in a RAM fan when reinstalled... apparently the top fan that's blowing on it from the 'pull' side of the top radiator is doing a good enough job, I'm seeing no change in idle temps on the RAM... maybe my loads will be lower, but at present, doesn't seem like in this case a more dedicated/direct fan is going to do me any good.  Temps at idle are still in the 28-31C range.
 
Waiting on a phone call to go pick up my vehicle from an inspection & oil change dealio or I'd've already run some games just to see if the load temperatures are better... but since I'm only seeing high 30s/low 40s without the extra fan, I imagine it's not going to be too much better.
 
I did also swap my backplate fan to a plain black-frame RGB Vardar fan, kinda like it better that way, more subtle, matches the Kingpin's subtle looks.  I moved the 140mm fan off of back exhaust (because I honestly feel like it wasn't doing much 'good') down to the M.2/chipset area.  It seems to be doing a pretty swell job thus far.  M.2 it's blowing air over is idling at 29-30C drive temp, 2nd drive temp is 33-36C, so a little better than the janky 120mm extendo thing I had going on - but it's also sitting on top of an SSD box, so that's not exactly safe :-D
 
Think I'm going to end up ordering another few regular black-frame RGB Vardar fans & getting rid of the X3Ms. Their sound dampening doesn't really matter when it comes to this build, and the air gap they have (where they don't seal properly to the radiator) is something that gives me thoughts, especially when running at full speed, as to if I'm losing static pressure at all.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/26 15:11:13 (permalink)
Okie I stand corrected:
 


That's with fans capped at 80% as their highest possible speed during gaming, for almost 2 hours of CSGO (which is CPU intensive).  32-35C max vs 38-41C without the dedicated fan... of course, SOME of that reduction could be from removing the plastic protective covers.  Who knows.  I will probably take the fan back out & test that because I am curious.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/26 18:17:20 (permalink)
Bro your mem is bad luck lol, I'm setting 1400 on mem and no issues without classified tool lol
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/26 18:33:23 (permalink)
Also 1500 on mem works for me too
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/26 19:25:25 (permalink)
Needs voltage I think for stability
What would crash pc, causing blackout screens then restart while playing cod?
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 05:00:21 (permalink)
Would the psu be to blame for everything going dark then whole pc restarting? Didn't think I would have this issue with an 850 t2 psu:/
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 06:13:47 (permalink)
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Bro your mem is bad luck lol, I'm setting 1400 on mem and no issues without classified tool lol



Yeah I've known I got some crapoli GDDR6X since I got the card.  The highest I can run is +1400 and that only works in Port Royal, with 1.4125V set in FBVDD in Classified Tool.  +1300 is as high as I can go on stock voltage, I'm pretty sure I tested +1350 & it artifacted then crashed out of PR. 
 
Black screens specifically in CoD is a known issue I think, but the PC restarting sounds like PSU crying for halp possibly.  You could try logging with HWInfo in the background & specifically track CPU & GPU power draw - if they're hitting 700+W combined before the restart happens, it's possible it's a spike, but it's also a Titanium PSU, those are usually good for at least 50-100W over their listed limit.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 06:43:13 (permalink)
I think I had some dust in psu causing higher heat and possibly unstable clocks, I'm still learning this thing 😅
Haven't seen over 480w off gpu so idk
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 07:11:49 (permalink)
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Would the psu be to blame for everything going dark then whole pc restarting? Didn't think I would have this issue with an 850 t2 psu:/



Titanium doesn't always buy you extra power lol. The rating only means it is more efficient. If you're seeing 480W on the GPU, you're spikes are much higher. Not sure what else you have for parts in your build, but you might be hitting the limit of the 850W PSU when it comes to spike-handling. The regular 3090's push 850W supplies to the limit, EVGA even had to RMA and revise their cheaper models to handle the spikes from 3080's. It also seems like there's an issue with the 30-series cards in general where certain games quickly shift between high load and low load situations, and at the transitions, these cards current-spike like crazy. I would think KP would have the most stable power delivery, so you wouldn't have as many issues with current spikes, but that may mean that the card still has them and just handles them better lol.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 07:46:29 (permalink)
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 07:47:57 (permalink)
Cpu pushes like 100w max gaming
Gpu like I said 480w max I have seen, though game was drawing 300w(cod MW when I hard crashed) about for gpu so idk
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 08:18:40 (permalink)
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5800x (~100Wmax (# from you))
Asus crosshair viii formula
4 x 8 gb gskill trident z rgb 3200cl14 at 3800 cl15 (~12W)
D5 pump (~20W at 12V)
9 x unifans 120mm from Lian li through control hub (total of ~50W with hub)
2 HDD that don't get used much (~20W)
1tb 980 pro (~8.5Wmax)
Oh and one exhaust 120 ml120 pro corsair fan lol (~2.7W)



So that's ~693W max (also throwing in 480W on the GPU). Normal conditions, yeah, I'd think the 850W was more than plenty. The thing we don't know is how much of a current spike the GPU could have added to that, or how much of a current spike the PSU can actually handle.
 
Looking at this review of that supply, it looks like the one negative they gave it was for the 3.3V drop during the transient testing. Is that your actual problem? I don't know. Just to be clear, I'm not saying "this is it, replace that thing". I'm just saying you have a little bit of evidence to say that it could be an issue. Some reviews show peak power for the 5800X hitting 140W. That still wouldn't take you to the limit, but if for reasons I can't explain COD spikes everything beyond normal values simultaneously for no reason...maybe? I haven't played COD since they got rid of private servers. I think BO (original) was the last COD game I bought so I can't really run any testing with it to give you some info from my system.

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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 08:25:52 (permalink)
Do you think using boost lock on X1 would help mitigate those spikes? This keeps the gpu at full power state and hold boost clock all time 😒🤔
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Re: Project Rainbow Wind Tunnel LUL - 5950x/Asus X570/Trident Z Royal/3090 Kingpin Build 2021/05/27 09:16:06 (permalink)
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Do you think using boost lock on X1 would help mitigate those spikes? This keeps the gpu at full power state and hold boost clock all time 😒🤔



Probably not. There are two different kinds of spikes that seem to be prevalent. One is due to the weird voltage jump when a game jumps from a low power state to a high power state. That is what seems to be happening to people who's 3080's and 3090's crap out with the red light of death during Halo or League of Legends or something...what your describing might help those folks, but I couldn't say for certain. Then there are the high power usage spikes that happen when actually using the card in high power loads like games where the GPU is at 100% utilization. Those are just there...I don't know what scenes or gaming events cause them, but it seems like the whole 30-series has higher spikes than any cards before them, which is why people have had issues with 750W and even some cheaper 850W supplies even though the spec says 750W should be enough. I haven't seen a lot of documentation about what they look like or what you can expect from them, but I'd personally be hesitant to run any 3090 with less than a 1000W PSU (let alone a KP lol), especially while overclocking everything in the system. Now, you do not have a cheap 850W PSU, and I bet if everything was stock you wouldn't have a problem, but the KP is already not "stock" and if you threw some extra +'s in the speeds, it would definitely hit higher than stock. You do have an efficient CPU (especially compared to mine that peaks ~250W during an r23 run lol), so that should definitely help. Another question I would have for you is how old is your PSU? Something like transient spike handling capability could degrade over time. Usually the T2's are built like tanks so I would think it should take quite a while before it had trouble, but there are very limited data-points out there for exactly what the spikes look like, what power supplies can handle (exactly), and if/when you might be in trouble. The 30-series totally changed the game in my mind, as for years people were buying way bigger PSUs than they needed...now, not so much.

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