gsrcrxsi

bloot
So you are best informed based on what you read elsewhere, not on your own experience? I've got a 6800XT since launch and have had no big problems with it. Anyway, if you don't like AMD gpus nor drivers you don't have to buy one in case EVGA switches to Radeon (which is pretty likely to happen).

I've had various nvidia and AMD cards for many many years. i do all of the things i mentioned in my post and have tried both AMD and nvidia solutions for both. AMD can't compete in ML/AI or media transcoding, CUDA and NVENC are farrrr superior to anything AMD has. nvidia hands down makes the superior product with the most stable drivers. can't say the same with AMD. their driver support is trash, and it was me who blew the whistle on them not being able to compute FFT correctly causing all kinds of incorrect calculations on certain scientific research. or the fact that they claim to support openCL 2.0 on their hardware, yet the drivers mostly dont support it, and linux support on AMD is a mess for real compute, but most people are none the wiser because they only play fortnite on Windows. so because you had "no big problems" (so you had small problems?) on your gaming rig and a sample size of 1, means no one ever had issues? ok. go read the complaints. the drivers in general are far worse on AMD.
 
I still have an RX570, that i use for troubleshooting and testing application performance on AMD. but that's about it. i dabbled with some Navi10 cards, but was unimpressed. the only card that's worth anything is the RVII for the FP64 performance, but again most people only focus on games FPS so a metric like that goes largely unnoticed. but half of those have died by now. they had a short run and lots of them even had issues. and they are still plagued by driver issues. getting it to work on modern  linux OSs can be non-trivial

SunnyBeach
Sad news but you know there is a story behind this. Hope we learn it one day.  Nvidia obviously is a fault somewhere here. 
 
 

squall-leonhart

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the_Scarlet_one
I’m curious what folks think should happen that keep saying “but they cut 75-80% of their revenue” after EVGA stated they have been selling GPU’s at a loss for months. Just keep bleeding money for a few more months, while NVidia purposely undercuts the AIB’s? NVidia will undercut the AIB’s with the 40 series as well, and it will likely be even worse with the 40 series.

Revenue does not equal profit. Constant loss is unsustainable even if it is revenue.

You're being mindshared to the max here,
 
FE boards are low volume products and the 3090 models were often still on shelves in Bestbuys because nobody actually wanted them.
 
EVGA is responsible for its losses on its products through poor aesthetic choices which increased production costs.
 

Neutro
There are so many people here and all over the internet that are expressing right now their sadness to see EVGA

 
Fanboys need a king, EVGA was that king.
 
Doesn't make their products any better then a competitors,
 
You overestimate your group,
 
EVGA reached too hard with products that don't have mass appeal.
 
Cry over it.

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squall-leonhart

Bruno747
Wonder if this is related to the crazy failure rates of the FTW3 early on even though that was a custom board with soldering issues IE not Nvidia's fault. Or maybe somehow its fallout to the chinese nvidia export laws that recently came to be.
 
Also wonder if they will be doing AMD cards now.

There wasn't soldering issues,
 
EVGA lied, there was an intentional component change between Rev 0 and 01 that introduced volatile current variation, the result would have been obvious if they had performed due diligence and projected for it in engineering.

Do I want performance to the MAX & willing to skip the Bling ... in a heart beat

the_Scarlet_one
I’m curious what folks think should happen that keep saying “but they cut 75-80% of their revenue” after EVGA stated they have been selling GPU’s at a loss for months. Just keep bleeding money for a few more months, while NVidia purposely undercuts the AIB’s? NVidia will undercut the AIB’s with the 40 series as well, and it will likely be even worse with the 40 series.

Revenue does not equal profit. Constant loss is unsustainable even if it is revenue.

LFaWolf

the_Scarlet_one
I’m curious what folks think should happen that keep saying “but they cut 75-80% of their revenue” after EVGA stated they have been selling GPU’s at a loss for months. Just keep bleeding money for a few more months, while NVidia purposely undercuts the AIB’s? NVidia will undercut the AIB’s with the 40 series as well, and it will likely be even worse with the 40 series.

Revenue does not equal profit. Constant loss is unsustainable even if it is revenue.

1. I don't know where you got the information that EVGA is losing money on each GPU sale. Perhaps from the various posted videos. I haven't had the time to watch any of the videos, but I will make time today to watch some.
2. I base my information on this article (https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-ceases-video-card-production-no-more-evga-geforce-gpus ), which I quote, "The company said to Gamers Nexus ‘it’s about respect’.  It was a principal decision to break ties with NVIDIA, not a financial one." Now, at a personal level, perhaps you stop being friends with someone that disrespected you. But in the business world, where you have responsibility for the company and all your employees? No, that is not how you conduct business as a professional.
3. I do not believe EVGA is losing money on each GPU sale. At one point, 3090 was selling for near $2k. If they were losing money because of their version .1 PCB disaster, that is on EVGA.
4. Whatever restrictions that NVIDIA placed on the AIB partners, ASUS/MSI etc made do with it. I have an ASUS 3090 Strix (lucky with Newegg Shuffle) early on and it had been running fine throughout this time. Reviews had said the Strix is either better or matched FTW in quality. 
5. If you believe EVGA will survive just by making peripheral and PSUs, that is a possibility, but it would be incredibly hard. Two reasons, (A) EVGA's name recognition is their GPUs. Without the GPUs, newcomers have many selections to choose from, such as Corsair/Razer (they spent a ton of money on marketing and are well known to many people), and I don't think EVGA can match them in terms of product selections and quality. (B) If you go to Target to pick up some toilet papers or milk, you may pick up some fruits as well. Without their GPUs, will people make a concerted effort to pick up an EVGA keyboard if they are buying a PSU? I had an EVGA Z20 that I RMA with a stuck key. I have been using Corsair K95 since, and I have not had a problem. Chances are, people are going to buy Corsair/Seasonic PSUs and Corsair/Razer/Logitech keyboards.
6. All I can see from EVGA is a lot of excuses and mismanagement. From what I have observed over the years, since 2008 and on, EVGA has been on a decline. 

S2000Gan

rjohnson11
I hope EVGA will consider AMD as a GPU partner. 

Or even Intel but from everything I've heard today sounds like EVGA is completely getting out of the VGA business. :(

the_Scarlet_one

LFaWolf

the_Scarlet_one
I’m curious what folks think should happen that keep saying “but they cut 75-80% of their revenue” after EVGA stated they have been selling GPU’s at a loss for months. Just keep bleeding money for a few more months, while NVidia purposely undercuts the AIB’s? NVidia will undercut the AIB’s with the 40 series as well, and it will likely be even worse with the 40 series.

Revenue does not equal profit. Constant loss is unsustainable even if it is revenue.

1. I don't know where you got the information that EVGA is losing money on each GPU sale. Perhaps from the various posted videos. I haven't had the time to watch any of the videos, but I will make time today to watch some.
2. I base my information on this article (https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-ceases-video-card-production-no-more-evga-geforce-gpus ), which I quote, "The company said to Gamers Nexus ‘it’s about respect’.  It was a principal decision to break ties with NVIDIA, not a financial one." Now, at a personal level, perhaps you stop being friends with someone that disrespected you. But in the business world, where you have responsibility for the company and all your employees? No, that is not how you conduct business as a professional.
3. I do not believe EVGA is losing money on each GPU sale. At one point, 3090 was selling for near $2k. If they were losing money because of their version .1 PCB disaster, that is on EVGA.
4. Whatever restrictions that NVIDIA placed on the AIB partners, ASUS/MSI etc made do with it. I have an ASUS 3090 Strix (lucky with Newegg Shuffle) early on and it had been running fine throughout this time. Reviews had said the Strix is either better or matched FTW in quality. 
5. If you believe EVGA will survive just by making peripheral and PSUs, that is a possibility, but it would be incredibly hard. Two reasons, (A) EVGA's name recognition is their GPUs. Without the GPUs, newcomers have many selections to choose from, such as Corsair/Razer (they spent a ton of money on marketing and are well known to many people), and I don't think EVGA can match them in terms of product selections and quality. (B) If you go to Target to pick up some toilet papers or milk, you may pick up some fruits as well. Without their GPUs, will people make a concerted effort to pick up an EVGA keyboard if they are buying a PSU? I had an EVGA Z20 that I RMA with a stuck key. I have been using Corsair K95 since, and I have not had a problem. Chances are, people are going to buy Corsair/Seasonic PSUs and Corsair/Razer/Logitech keyboards.
6. All I can see from EVGA is a lot of excuses and mismanagement. From what I have observed over the years, since 2008 and on, EVGA has been on a decline. 

Start by watching the videos from J2C and GN. GN asked directly if they were losing money on the sales of 30 series and EVGA wouldn’t give exact numbers, but said yes.

VideoCardz is a clickbait website and never covers the details, they only scalp minor amounts of details that can cause more people to visit. They are doing the same here and did not cover every single word of a 30 minute video.

actualrootwyrm
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It's going to be challenging, but I don't believe EVGA is going anywhere. And I'm genuinely excited to see what EVGA comes up with next.

moose517
Yeah i wish they'd do AMD GPU's, this news is upsetting regardless as I love EVGA GPU's, been buying them forever now, I don't know who I'll go with now, but man the red GPU drivers have always been more solid for me overall anyways.