True that. And KPEs historically haven’t been eligible for step up anyways. But it’s a nice thought.

It's curious that there aren't any posted specs on the liquid cooled cards. I'd assume the hybrid and hc FTW3s would have the same boost clocks as the FTW3 Ultra. Any predictions on 3090 Ti KPE boost clock? It blows my mind that the FTW3 Ultra has the same boost clock as the 3090 KP with 2 more SMs. Really goes to show how binned these GA102s must be to even qualify to become a 3090 Ti. 

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2 of those new 12-pin connector thingamabobs.  So 6x8pin PCIe?

EVGA is advertising the PerfFE cables single 12 pin cable to 2 8 pins for EVGA PSUs as compatible with the FTW3 so I'm assuming 2 of those would be fine for the kingpin? Saves 2 8 pins cables at least.

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OMG

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2 of those new 12-pin connector thingamabobs.  So 6x8pin PCIe?

EVGA is advertising the PerfFE cables single 12 pin cable to 2 8 pins for EVGA PSUs as compatible with the FTW3 so I'm assuming 2 of those would be fine for the kingpin? Saves 2 8 pins cables at least.

So we only need two 12-pin adapter cables? So I guess being limited to only 150w without the other 4-pins was all incorrect?
 
https://forums.evga.com/Intel-introduces-ATX-30-and-ATX12VO-20-standards-12VHPWR-600W-power-connector-m3538077.aspx
https://forums.evga.com/PCIe-Gen5-12VHPWR-power-connector-to-feature-150W-300W-450W-and-600W-settings-m3533134.aspx
 
 
 

From what I saw on one of the Linus channels is that the 4 pins are for new ATX 3.0 PSUs. They will tell your GPU how much power the PSU can safely put out and automatically set your power limits accordingly in an effort to save lower capacity PSUs and their attached hardware

https://youtu.be/EGHyDuPG1ks

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OMG

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2 of those new 12-pin connector thingamabobs.  So 6x8pin PCIe?

EVGA is advertising the PerfFE cables single 12 pin cable to 2 8 pins for EVGA PSUs as compatible with the FTW3 so I'm assuming 2 of those would be fine for the kingpin? Saves 2 8 pins cables at least.

So we only need two 12-pin adapter cables? So I guess being limited to only 150w without the other 4-pins was all incorrect?

https://forums.evga.com/Intel-introduces-ATX-30-and-ATX12VO-20-standards-12VHPWR-600W-power-connector-m3538077.aspx
https://forums.evga.com/PCIe-Gen5-12VHPWR-power-connector-to-feature-150W-300W-450W-and-600W-settings-m3533134.aspx

From what I saw on one of the Linus channels is that the 4 pins are for new ATX 3.0 PSUs. They will tell your GPU how much power the PSU can safely put out and automatically set your power limits accordingly in an effort to save lower capacity PSUs and their attached hardware

https://youtu.be/EGHyDuPG1ks

Think we have some new EVGA PSUs on the horizon then?

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tresnugget
OMG

https://m.facebook.com/st...863523994&sfnsn=mo

2 of those new 12-pin connector thingamabobs.  So 6x8pin PCIe?

EVGA is advertising the PerfFE cables single 12 pin cable to 2 8 pins for EVGA PSUs as compatible with the FTW3 so I'm assuming 2 of those would be fine for the kingpin? Saves 2 8 pins cables at least.

So we only need two 12-pin adapter cables? So I guess being limited to only 150w without the other 4-pins was all incorrect?

https://forums.evga.com/Intel-introduces-ATX-30-and-ATX12VO-20-standards-12VHPWR-600W-power-connector-m3538077.aspx
https://forums.evga.com/PCIe-Gen5-12VHPWR-power-connector-to-feature-150W-300W-450W-and-600W-settings-m3533134.aspx

From what I saw on one of the Linus channels is that the 4 pins are for new ATX 3.0 PSUs. They will tell your GPU how much power the PSU can safely put out and automatically set your power limits accordingly in an effort to save lower capacity PSUs and their attached hardware

https://youtu.be/EGHyDuPG1ks

Think we have some new EVGA PSUs on the horizon then?

For sure.

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It's difficult to believe they would make a card like this with no water block options. Seems pointless. An air cooled version is likely not any faster than my water cooled 3090. Very very little anyway.

It's tough to say.  Their HC release has always lagged a bit, especially so with 3090 and the whole supply shortage.  So even if 3090 Ti is announced for actual sale this month [(X) doubt], it'll be a few months until HC blocks come out.  And then we're that much closer to 40-series.  And no other major waterblock manufacturer is even making blocks for KP cards anymore, so not like anyone will be pushing development.  All we had for 3090 KP was EGVA official and Optimus, and Optimus has had it's issues with its 30 series KP blocks.  I bet they're fully aware that people want blocks for these cards, but don't know how it works out on the books for them.  I'd be happy if EVGA partner with some mainstream waterblock manufacturer and get blocks out that way.  (No idea who's making the current blocks) 

I've love to see EVGA partner with EKWB or another larger mainstream water cooling parts manufacturer instead of whoever makes their current blocks.  My MSI 3090 with the EKWB block and active backplate cooling only runs a few degrees warmer under load with the same power limit as my Kingpin 3090 with the Optimus block. 
 
Asus and Power Color partner with EKWB already for water cooled GPUs.  I got the impression form EKWB that theyd on't make Kingpinw ater blocks because of the low demand for them.  However if theyw ere the OEM for EVGA, that could change.

Did EKWB make the earlier HC blocks?  Or has it always been some third-party?

EVGA has had a couple of partners to my knowledge that used to make their GPU blocks.  

Back in the GTX 700 series, my pair of GTX 780 Classified HCs in SLI all had Swiftech Water Blocks.

A few generations back it was than EK.  I think they did one or two generation run with them before that ended.

At his moment, EVGA has stated that they make their HCs in house.  Not a fan of their HCs at all.  My 2080 Ti HC I've had for less than 2 years was slow leaking from a small fracture near the ports.  Wish they can go back to a reputed custom WC company like they did in the past and get their blocks that way.

Let's hope that means they will actually produce a decent number of them unlike the 3090 HC.

Other than boost clocks, what's the difference between the 3090 Ti FTW3 Black and the 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra? The product images and descriptions are exactly the same for both cards. 

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It looks like they may have changed course a bit with their waterblocks for 3090 Ti.  At least from the Ti FTW3 HC, the block is completely different from 20-series or the 3090 HC.  Looks more like an Optimus block.  But I would think it'd be near impossible for Optimus to partner with EVGA and actually deliver enough blocks to make a more consumer friendly product.  Likely whoever designed the 3090 Ti took design and flow cues from the Optimus block.

If Optimus did make the blocks for the 3090 ti Hydro Copper, the cards would take 7 months for delivery after you ordered them. 

When do y'all think the 3090ti Kingpin will drop?

Baasha
Guys - so does the EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 Ti not require a 16-pin cable/adapter? I'm a little confused here. Thought all 3090 Ti needed the 16-pin. So I can potentially use the 12-pin cable I have for my "regular" 3090 on the 3090 Ti? 

It requires a single 12-pin at the minimum. Yes, you can use the cable that came with your fe card.

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kingfin12
When do y'all think the 3090ti Kingpin will drop?

I’m guessing same day as oc invitational... https://forums.evga.com/I...-m3539677.aspx#3539700

So April 8th.

I didn't even think of that! Didn't the last launch coincide with an OC event with Jay and Steve? I wasn't able to get into the first KP queue due to issues with the site and just remember being super jealous.

I find it interesting that every other piece of hardware listed under "Specs" has a model number where the video card is left generic "EVGA GeForce RTX™ Graphics Card"