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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 16:41:42
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Wow too bad. New card release and no product for the week after. Not very impressive.
Guess good for my wallet though.
Guess I will check back in after another week or so...
Perhaps all the scalpers are making some bucks though.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 16:43:10
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 16:52:24
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Right now Samsung is making GA104 for the RTX 2070 launch. Then it will be back to GA102 for more RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 cards.
The problem for GA102 is that yields have been poor while the smaller die of GA104 is fairing slightly better, the binned chips will be the RTX 3060 which probably will surface in the not to distant future
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 16:54:00
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I have never seen a worse product launch or retail performance in my life. By all parties involved, this was an absolute joke. EVGA has my money from their attentiveness to quality and loyalty to customers (warranty etc.), but their website alone is from the 90s and can barely handle more than a few connections at a time. It's embarrassing.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 16:57:50
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I was so ready for this week!
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 16:58:45
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 17:03:29
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Im going to just settle for the picture of an RTX 3090(Paper Edition) off of Ebay its only $2,175. I will have benchmarks up once installed. 
Hopefully it can break the 0fps barrier?
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 17:07:06
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Like going to a strip b_r. You'll never know when you get to bring one home.
Every new model I always fall for it. Been happily going through this since the 8800 GTS
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 17:12:40
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Never in my life have I ever had this much trouble throwing $800 at a company for one of their products!! Sheesh!! 
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I tried to throw $1800 at them and they wouldn’t take it either. I laugh at your 800 sir! Kidding aside, it has been adventure. Not only been having trouble getting these, but my experience with the ps5 has been the same. Graphics cards dealing with bots. Ps5 dealing with the same thing, but worst. The “in person “preorder are getting bought out by GameStop managers/employee so they make a quick profit on eBay as well. At this point, I have given up hope. No point, in getting angry tbh. if I can get a card soon great. If I don’t, I’ll just wait for team red and see what they got to offer.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 17:18:35
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Right now Samsung is making GA104 for the RTX 2070 launch. Then it will be back to GA102 for more RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 cards.
The problem for GA102 is that yields have been poor while the smaller die of GA104 is fairing slightly better, the binned chips will be the RTX 3060 which probably will surface in the not to distant future
GA102 and GA104 would be on two separate production lines in the fab and can be run in parallel. Having to change out the masks to produce a different chip on the same production line would require re-calibration of some of the equipment in the line and incur production delays. Agree the GA104 yield would be a bit better than GA102 as the smaller chip inherently gives a bit better yield ratio % on the 300mm wafer size being used.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 17:51:14
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Right now Samsung is making GA104 for the RTX 2070 launch. Then it will be back to GA102 for more RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 cards.
The problem for GA102 is that yields have been poor while the smaller die of GA104 is fairing slightly better, the binned chips will be the RTX 3060 which probably will surface in the not to distant future
GA102 and GA104 would be on two separate production lines in the fab and can be run in parallel.
Having to change out the masks to produce a different chip on the same production line would require re-calibration of some of the equipment in the line and incur production delays.
Agree the GA104 yield would be a bit better than GA102 as the smaller chip inherently gives a bit better yield ratio % on the 300mm wafer size being used.
Only one line at the moment for Samsung 8nm, they are building another one but they cost a lot of won each
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 18:00:38
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I was starting to get my hopes up again. :C
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 18:10:21
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Hopefully they will take this time to stock up alot more cards. Sure would be nice if they had 3 to 4 times the amount of there last restock z
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 18:10:54
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They are saving chips for the more expensive 20GB models. This launch is just strategy to get the jump on AMD. The real cards are coming in late October. I am fully expecting to end up getting an AMD card this time around at this point. Even with a backorder I will just cancel it after I grab another card. The Zen 3 launch might be a decent indicator on the situation with bots for AMD's next products.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 18:52:50
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+2, its the dumbest problem to have.....
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 19:03:14
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Unfortunate, but I'm patient and not in a rush. It's at least nice to see updates from Jacob than nothing at all.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 19:07:47
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I'm surprised at so many of you calling this a paper launch. All the tech reviewers on Youtube, who have been given cards from every manufacturer, are saying those manufacturers told them it wasn't a paper launch. So come on, all... case closed. 
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/28 23:21:58
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Let's think about this rationally: Each 40ft side open shipping container could, in theory, hold the volume of 3,055 GPUs if we are strictly talking about retail packaging volume (no excess cardboard whatsoever filling the entire thing), perfectly stacking them, etc. Now, let's round down to 3,000 for lost space of cardboard and the open gaps etc. Each container takes approximately 2-3 weeks at sea + customs and truck to get to Brea, CA from Taiwan/China where they are manufactured. If they are JUST ramping production late last week, and they don't use a lot of air freight due to most small air freight being on passenger planes (Rona kinda stopped that so air freight is more expensive), then the earliest we could see the ramped stock come in would be Oct 12th. If Nvidia didn't let them ship the first batch until the announcement (Sep 1st), we should be seeing the first containers come in any day now. Otherwise, it already arrived and that was the thousands he was talking about on twitter. So it's just a waiting game now....
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 00:58:17
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I really want to buy an EVGA FTW3 but I will have to buy whatever comes first. It is a very unfortunate state of affairs.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 01:19:51
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Let's think about this rationally: Each 40ft side open shipping container could, in theory, hold the volume of 3,055 GPUs if we are strictly talking about retail packaging volume (no excess cardboard whatsoever filling the entire thing), perfectly stacking them, etc. Now, let's round down to 3,000 for lost space of cardboard and the open gaps etc. Each container takes approximately 2-3 weeks at sea + customs and truck to get to Brea, CA from Taiwan/China where they are manufactured. If they are JUST ramping production late last week, and they don't use a lot of air freight due to most small air freight being on passenger planes (Rona kinda stopped that so air freight is more expensive), then the earliest we could see the ramped stock come in would be Oct 12th. If Nvidia didn't let them ship the first batch until the announcement (Sep 1st), we should be seeing the first containers come in any day now. Otherwise, it already arrived and that was the thousands he was talking about on twitter. So it's just a waiting game now....
You also have to consider their production capacity. How many cards can be produced per day? They are producing XC3 and FTW3 in both 3080 and 3090 models. How many of each are made each day or is one model made that day? How many chips are they receiving from NVidia and other components needed to make em? Lots of questions we don't get answers for.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 02:02:17
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Does this include the eu.evga store? I swear I remember jacob saying that EU will be stocked this week?
No EVGA store will get any stock as they're all frozen, the US one to improve checkout and try to stop the bots from buying, the EU one, well who knows if it's even being worked on... my guess would be no.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 02:06:29
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Let's think about this rationally: Each 40ft side open shipping container could, in theory, hold the volume of 3,055 GPUs if we are strictly talking about retail packaging volume (no excess cardboard whatsoever filling the entire thing), perfectly stacking them, etc. Now, let's round down to 3,000 for lost space of cardboard and the open gaps etc. Each container takes approximately 2-3 weeks at sea + customs and truck to get to Brea, CA from Taiwan/China where they are manufactured. If they are JUST ramping production late last week, and they don't use a lot of air freight due to most small air freight being on passenger planes (Rona kinda stopped that so air freight is more expensive), then the earliest we could see the ramped stock come in would be Oct 12th. If Nvidia didn't let them ship the first batch until the announcement (Sep 1st), we should be seeing the first containers come in any day now. Otherwise, it already arrived and that was the thousands he was talking about on twitter. So it's just a waiting game now....
You also have to consider their production capacity. How many cards can be produced per day? They are producing XC3 and FTW3 in both 3080 and 3090 models. How many of each are made each day or is one model made that day? How many chips are they receiving from NVidia and other components needed to make em? Lots of questions we don't get answers for.
Rightfully so, we don't know but making educated guess might give us an insight to when it could be expected to level out. An example can be taken from when Guru3d visited gigabytes factory in Taiwan a few years ago, they claimed they could produce 50,000 Graphics cards per month. If evga even does 1/2 of that per month 25,000 cards at peak and they are ramping up to produce whatever they can get their hands on from Nvidia. Say let's be generous and estimate they are allotted/buy 10,000 sets of silicon and memory per month since launch. Now that things are ramping up as the node has matured and they get 20,000 sets per month they could produce about 20,000 units each month, that's without any interference from human malware tho... So even then let's say they make 15,000 units per month with ramped up production that's still couple containers full every few weeks. Stock should level out when he said it would. Mid/late October. Again all educated guessing but it roughly lines up with what he's been saying. They are trying their best given the circumstances. As for how much of each, he said mostly ftw3 at the beginning but then they found the capacitor issue during production QC. So they were probably focused on fixing that and we're late to production because they needed to be sure nothing was faulty on any card. Given demand for the ftw3 and the node being more mature I'd hedge my bets they will try and make more ftw3's than xc3 provided that the silicon can play nicely. Again it's all hypothetical fun to try and figure things out as we wait but it can help us understand the stock in the coming weeks. I guess we need to have patience..
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 03:52:43
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China is having Golden Week as of October 1st, where the country nearly shuts down for about a week. That won't help supply. lol I have to assume some freight is on the way already however.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 03:54:49
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Never in my life have I ever had this much trouble throwing $800 at a company for one of their products!! Sheesh!!
It's beyond absurd!
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 03:58:56
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Never in my life have I ever had this much trouble throwing $800 at a company for one of their products!! Sheesh!!
It's beyond absurd!
Demand is exceeding supply many times over. It will be some time before there is enough stock to satisfy demand.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 04:55:21
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Ya Nvidia must of been tipped off about AMD has this year. The way all this release went at such a rush and all the hype.
Hoping AMD keeps Nvidia honest for a bit as we would all win in the end.
I would be shocked if AMD is a threat. I don't think anyone was expecting the 3080 to be 30% less then a 2080Ti and 30% better performance. Since AMD wasn't already at NVIDIA level they have to hit a huge increase in performance just to catch up and it's unlikely they thought NVIDIA would do such a huge price drop this generation over last generation. I feel that if AMD is to catch up they might be doing it with a card they built to cost $1,000.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 05:21:30
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Ya Nvidia must of been tipped off about AMD has this year. The way all this release went at such a rush and all the hype.
Hoping AMD keeps Nvidia honest for a bit as we would all win in the end.
I would be shocked if AMD is a threat. I don't think anyone was expecting the 3080 to be 30% less then a 2080Ti and 30% better performance. Since AMD wasn't already at NVIDIA level they have to hit a huge increase in performance just to catch up and it's unlikely they thought NVIDIA would do such a huge price drop this generation over last generation. I feel that if AMD is to catch up they might be doing it with a card they built to cost $1,000.
According to some of the more recent leaks, AMD's card will be a 4k card that comes very very close to the 3080 and has more VRAM to boot. If they price it comparably, you're basically getting a slightly worse 3080 that you can actually find (since they said they foresee no stock issues comparable to Nvidia) priced better, maybe at the 500-600 USD range if not lower. Their driver issues have also largely been sorted out now. The cards will also have ray tracing, though probably not very good ray tracing capabilities, not that too many gamers really give a crap atm. DLSS, which is far more interesting, is something they need to catch up on and is something they said they're already working. If the rumors pan out, THIS is the gen AMD finally catches up, so your guess is pretty far off, though it won't be until next gen likely that they truly compete. They also badly need an answer to DLSS, which their CEO openly acknowledged. Next GPU gen is going to be very deliciously interesting, though I'm already 100% confident that AMD will take a decent chunk of gamer market share in October. Pricing something between a 3070 and 3080 competitively and having it actually be widely available will draw a lot of gamers towards them, especially with Nvidia's mess the way it is now. Nvidia could release the 3060 or more 20 gig cards and I don't think it would change things much other than keep NVIDIA from hemorrhaging as much of the low end and budget gamers, which vastly outnumber we enthusiasts who spend at the 3080+ level. Not that anyone should be surprised. The price shock of the 30xx series is probably exactly because Nvidia sees AMD as a threat, and heck, we already know Nvidia is offering partners rebates in order to help keep prices down at MSRP levels. Pretty much a 180 from the 20xx launch... partner cards at the same time without fuss, juicy generational jump in performance, far better price per performance and cards actually at MSRP unlike the joke of a launch that was the 20xx. This is Nvidia having stumbled and then feeling the dread of AMD's slap on an asscheek, and if the competitive prices are the result then I'm all for AMD coming in hard. I have real gsync right now so Nvidia it is, but we'll see what happens in two years. I don't believe in brand loyalty, merely acknowledgment of consistent quality service and products (such as EVGA's customer and warranty service), so if AMD becomes top dog I'll swap without the slightest emotion.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 05:26:34
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Golden Week Starts this week. China is going to essentially shut down. Jacob and others have previously stated to expect pretty much nothing during golden week
I just looked up Golden Week. That's pretty cool. 7-8 days off for the whole country. Must be nice. Nothing like that here in the USA. Just work work work and keep working. Anyway, really sucks for availability. Why did Nvidia even launch these cards when they did? They could have just waited a month and had plenty of time to stock up fully and do a real launch. Instead they have like zero cards and launch right before China shuts down for a week. Now there seems like none are on the way any time soon. All this does is make customers mad.
Oh yeah, real nice of them to throw in some off time with their cultural genocide, mass imprisonment, and total censorship.
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 05:32:52
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Re: No new stock in EVGA store this week
2020/09/29 05:48:09
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^ Lol hard, AMD drivers are still an utter dumpster fire and probably always will be.
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You must own a chunk of AMD stock or something. That’s the only reason I can think of for such apologist denial of how terrible AMD drivers are.
Oooh, cherry picking! How... mundane. So, in case you didn't know, tons of people have and had issues with Nvidia drivers too - just recently people were installing Nvidia studio drivers instead of game ready drivers to avoid other issues while some were crashing to desktop no matter what they did, or did you forget already? Besides, I didn't say there were no issues - just that they're not nearly as bad as they used to be. Some games, especially older ones, were literally impossible to play, and this has all been fixed. Both Nvidia and AMD drivers will continue to iterate, it's kind of the nature of drivers, which should be obvious enough to not need to say, but there you go. There's no need to be so defensive, I don't own AMD stock and I'm not sure why it would matter if it did. Just remember that fanboyism is basically fanatical consumerism and serves no consumer positively... and it also looks ugly and cringey. You owe Nvidia absolutely nothing, so please don't willingly brand their logo on your buttocks. Lately I just lol whenever AMD fanboys talk about ray tracing or even DLSS. AMD software support can’t even get basic features to work, let alone anything as complex as DLSS. It’s a joke. I'm not an AMD fanboy, and I'm not sure why you feel the need to so aggressively defend Nvidia. Plenty of people use AMD cards atm without issue, and heck, just a while ago Nvidia cards were crashing to desktop remember... hardware/driver issues aren't brand exclusive, my friend. But it doesn't really matter what you think. Intel fanboys were laughing at AMD all up until literally moments before AMD came in and became the default CPU choice for the majority of gamers. Now Intel is readying to fight back, and I'm excited to see what they come up. True competition is generally good for us, so I honestly don't know why any rational person wouldn't be rooting for AMD even if you want to continue buying Nvidia cards. Nvidia's 30xx's pricing, after all, definitely wasn't chosen because Jensen wants to nurture some kind of altruistic friendship. But, as is true with fanaticism of literally any kind, trying to use logic and reason is always pointless... so believe whatever you want to believe, because things are going to change in the GPU landscape whether you like it or not. I seriously can't wait to see what happens over the next few GPU gens.
post edited by Cerulean_Shaman - 2020/09/29 05:50:24
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