Dendra

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bkleinke

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bkleinke
Should be interesting to see if they produce enough so that it's WAY more then the 3080 launch.
 
The demand is here - it's simply insane.

Sales volume data suggest that the 3060s and 3070s are releasing with some frequency, the 3080s have been undersupplied since launch. So one (or a combination) of three things are happening:
1. NVIDIA is allocating very few of Samsung's wafers to GA102. The margins aren't very good on the 3080 because of its high power requirements.
2. NVIDIA is allocating GA102 dies to miner variants and selling directly to miners (They are certainly selling directly to miners either way, which is reducing their supply of gaming GPUs) From a business perspective this may make a lot of sense, there's mining boom right now and these potential sales will be lost if things crash. Gamers on the other hand will still be there wanting cards.
3. NVIDIA took one hard look at the market and decided it's more profitable to put GA102 dies into $999-1499 cards than the $699 RTX 3080. Under this scenario they may have been saving the better samples to put in their eventual 3080 Ti lineup.

That's interesting - Do we expect the TI to be enough an improvement to justify it belong $300+  more then the non-TI.  I've always known about TI cards but never bought one.  the 3080 was enough better then the 3070 it made a lot more sense to get one.
 
But since the 3080 is virtual a vapor GPU - I'm not holding out that the TI won't be.

Expect virtually identical performance to the 3090 for any scenario that isn't VRAM constrained. The 3080 and 3090 use the exact same GPU Die, however the 3080 uses a smaller VRAM bus and has some of the GPU cores disabled. So yeah, it's basically going to be 10-15% more compute power and 2GB more VRAM than the 3080 for what's expected to be a $999-1199 MSRP. I highly recommend giving this article a read Nvidia’s Ultimate Play (mooreslawisdead.com). Not everything played out exactly as predicted, but hey, a mining boom happened and demand was way higher than anyone ever expected. It's pretty clear at this point though that the $699 MSRP of the 3080 was in fact a lie and that NVIDIA will be more than happy to rebrand to the 3080Ti and jack up prices. Samsung's yields are pretty good now, so the only 3080s we are likely to see moving forward are the small percent that don't hit the required specs for the 3080Ti or 3090.
 

They are milking the crisis to the fullest. Rtx3080 is the best value but they clearly have other intentions.

Nvidia are not fools... crooks, sure but definitely not fools... Some day we'll look back and wonder how they weren't tied up in a bunch of litigation for their market manipulation... AMD is no better, either... they're just as bad. This isn't a headline-grabbing industry, however (not when compared to, say, the auto industry); therefore, the chances of any litigation making headway are pretty slim. 

Dendra

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bkleinke

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bkleinke
Should be interesting to see if they produce enough so that it's WAY more then the 3080 launch.
 
The demand is here - it's simply insane.

Sales volume data suggest that the 3060s and 3070s are releasing with some frequency, the 3080s have been undersupplied since launch. So one (or a combination) of three things are happening:
1. NVIDIA is allocating very few of Samsung's wafers to GA102. The margins aren't very good on the 3080 because of its high power requirements.
2. NVIDIA is allocating GA102 dies to miner variants and selling directly to miners (They are certainly selling directly to miners either way, which is reducing their supply of gaming GPUs) From a business perspective this may make a lot of sense, there's mining boom right now and these potential sales will be lost if things crash. Gamers on the other hand will still be there wanting cards.
3. NVIDIA took one hard look at the market and decided it's more profitable to put GA102 dies into $999-1499 cards than the $699 RTX 3080. Under this scenario they may have been saving the better samples to put in their eventual 3080 Ti lineup.

That's interesting - Do we expect the TI to be enough an improvement to justify it belong $300+  more then the non-TI.  I've always known about TI cards but never bought one.  the 3080 was enough better then the 3070 it made a lot more sense to get one.
 
But since the 3080 is virtual a vapor GPU - I'm not holding out that the TI won't be.

Expect virtually identical performance to the 3090 for any scenario that isn't VRAM constrained. The 3080 and 3090 use the exact same GPU Die, however the 3080 uses a smaller VRAM bus and has some of the GPU cores disabled. So yeah, it's basically going to be 10-15% more compute power and 2GB more VRAM than the 3080 for what's expected to be a $999-1199 MSRP. I highly recommend giving this article a read . Not everything played out exactly as predicted, but hey, a mining boom happened and demand was way higher than anyone ever expected. It's pretty clear at this point though that the $699 MSRP of the 3080 was in fact a lie and that NVIDIA will be more than happy to rebrand to the 3080Ti and jack up prices. Samsung's yields are pretty good now, so the only 3080s we are likely to see moving forward are the small percent that don't hit the required specs for the 3080Ti or 3090.
 

They are milking the crisis to the fullest. Rtx3080 is the best value but they clearly have other intentions.

How come the 3080 is the best value? I always thought the 3060Ti was the best value regarding all aspects (price/performance/wattage). Not being able to find one though is a big disadvantage...

3080ti does seem like a clever way to move the MSRP up a bit, but I am super curious to see if the 24 hour elite program head start helps people get their cards sooner...

TheCrunchyFox
3080ti does seem like a clever way to move the MSRP up a bit, but I am super curious to see if the 24 hour elite program head start helps people get their cards sooner...

im gonna hope it does, otherwise my 1080ti is on its last legs
 

TheCrunchyFox
3080ti does seem like a clever way to move the MSRP up a bit, but I am super curious to see if the 24 hour elite program head start helps people get their cards sooner...

all elite members hope so) 
however, I have a bad feeling that it will be almost impossible to get the cards (regardless of whether they get a hardware mining lock or not)

Blace

atom7ktm
How come the 3080 is the best value? I always thought the 3060Ti was the best value regarding all aspects (price/performance/wattage). Not being able to find one though is a big disadvantage...

I guess it depends on what resolution you're running. At MSRP the 3080 has good value that is only exaggerated by the bad value the 20xx series had. For mining though, the 3060ti is hands down the best value at MSRP, making it sting even more. I would gladly 'settle' for a midrange card if it meant that mining was only for the highest end range..

I am only 1080p on an old IPS 24” monitor. Guess that’s why I am mostly fond of the 3060Ti. The 3080 would be “overkill” for me. Although at the moment the best card is the one that you can find…

(Playing Devil's advocate); Or, get the best card you can, a 2K / 1440p monitor is a chap upgrade these days, and games will look notably better with more pixels...

duffeywolvin
(Playing Devil's advocate); Or, get the best card you can, a 2K / 1440p monitor is a chap upgrade these days, and games will look notably better with more pixels...

I agree with the sentiment that the best card you can get right now is the card you can find. My 970 and 1080Ti both crapped out on me in the last year, leaving me with a 750Ti to game on. Considering my position in the other queues I look forward to a shot at a rumored 3070Ti or 3080Ti. I simply cannot play some of my games on even the lowest of settings. (Anno 1800, DMC5, The Witcher 3, Shadow of the Tomb Raider have been sitting in my library, unfished or unplayed for the better part of a year) I run 3440 x 1440 and this monitor doesn't scale well to 1080P ultrawide, (major artifacing as it's not a 1 to 1 pixel ratio from native resolution).
 
*edited, I said 3050Ti originally by accident

rayven96

atom7ktm

Blace

atom7ktm
How come the 3080 is the best value? I always thought the 3060Ti was the best value regarding all aspects (price/performance/wattage). Not being able to find one though is a big disadvantage...

I guess it depends on what resolution you're running. At MSRP the 3080 has good value that is only exaggerated by the bad value the 20xx series had. For mining though, the 3060ti is hands down the best value at MSRP, making it sting even more. I would gladly 'settle' for a midrange card if it meant that mining was only for the highest end range..

I am only 1080p on an old IPS 24” monitor. Guess that’s why I am mostly fond of the 3060Ti. The 3080 would be “overkill” for me. Although at the moment the best card is the one that you can find…

Try to get a 3060ti or 3070, for your monitor, even these cards are a bit "redundant":D
And why don't you consider 3060?

I have signed up for all of these, I will eventually get whichever comes up first on my queue. I was originally thinking of the 3060ti as the best value with eyes on a possible monitor upgrade with the money saved from not buying a 3070 or a 3080. But as things are right now, I would consider even a 3080 Ti, if I can get it quicker (and it doesn’t break my bank).

If you have elite its at least worth a shot.  And we can bet as far as AIB's go EVGA should be the most reasonable with their MSRP.

DavJam1337
Really not fussed if I get a 3080, a 3070ti, or 3080ti. I have the cash, just need the opportunity :(. Only running at 1440p so the higher cards are overkill anyway.

Same. Really willing to get anything if EVGA offers so I will have a better gaming system.

al2jzge
OK, I’m Elite and signed up for Early Access. Where are the notifications for upcoming queues to sign up? I missed today’s KingPin! :(

where do you sign up for early access? i thought the 24hr thing is automatic

How can I tell if I have an Elite Account already?  I have an Elite ID, so does that mean I have an Elite Account?

nardox

duffeywolvin
Yeah, but if you got a shot at a current GPU at MSRP, would you turn it down?  Not me...

fixed

Ha!  True...  Anything faster than what I have now..;.

james1997bond
I've always wondered whether the disabled core on the die can be re-enabled with software? Is the lithography on the die changed so those cores don't get any power, or is it just at a driver level?

Some CPUs could be reenabled back in the day through driver level updates, but If you end up reenabling a defective core you may brick the card. There's 3 possible scenarios here:
 
All cores are fine - They are simply disabled as there isn't enough demand for the higher skews, this is best case scenario but unlikely given the current market.
 
All cores are functional but some but not enough run at the required speeds for a higher binning - You're mileage may vary in this case.
 
Some cores are physically defective and are disabled - You will likely brick your card by reenabling these cores.