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2020/10/13 15:47:40 (permalink)
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This release just became even worse. I feel like this BETA Samsung edition that all of us are trying to get a hold of will be replaced by more power efficient and higher frequency 7nm TSCM edition in 2021. What's even worse is that I fear this will depreciate all the Samsung edition versions from this year.
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 15:51:17 (permalink)
    If they do I would hope EVGA honors some kinda special step-up

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 15:52:15 (permalink)
    Wouldn't be surprised if this turns into the 3080ti and is released in June like normal incremental updates are

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 15:54:54 (permalink)
    3080 TI sure, but they are talking about moving actual current production to 7nm, and not just a new SKU (I'm sure they will have all of the 20 GB 3080 version on 7 nm TSCM). All because Samsung yield issues...
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 15:54:56 (permalink)
    Depends entirely on what happens with AMD at the end of this month, and nothing else.


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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 15:55:50 (permalink)
    Actually there is a top secret nvidia plant in Texas.  They will be producing GPU's on 5 nm there.  The change is driven by the need for advanced AI processing.  US military requires advanced AI so consumers benefit and we all get great GPU's
     
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 15:59:26 (permalink)
    Missing out on launch seems like a blessing in disguise now. It’s gonna take forever to fulfill my preorder as it is anyway. I may just wait and see what the future holds. My 2080 Ti should be able to hold me over I think. lol
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 16:06:32 (permalink)
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 16:29:26 (permalink)
    Zero chance this is true.

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 16:34:49 (permalink)
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    3080 TI sure, but they are talking about moving actual current production to 7nm, and not just a new SKU (I'm sure they will have all of the 20 GB 3080 version on 7 nm TSCM). All because Samsung yield issues...


    If they go 3080 Ti it would replace the 3090. Idk how they will make it work without going Super variants or making a 3090Ti. Hmm
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 16:40:45 (permalink)
    I am fine if they only do new SKUs like 3080 TI, 3070 Ti, 3080 20gb - whatever. But when they start messing with the current 3080 line up, replacing it with a better production node in a few months, this is ripping my soul apart while i am waiting for my SAMSUNG 3080 FTW 3 Ultra...
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 16:43:16 (permalink)
    Anyone else think it's odd that there's so many rumors this time around? Last launch there weren't any rumors, just seems like nvidia grasping at straws to take attention away from AMD's launch.

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 18:05:35 (permalink)
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    If they go 3080 Ti it would replace the 3090. Idk how they will make it work without going Super variants or making a 3090Ti. Hmm


    Even if they keep an extremely similar design they likely will be able to clock the 7nm version a lot higher since ampere 8nm is power limited.

    Ampere started out as a 7nm design at least from news reports. It was switched to 8nm later. So I wonder if the 8nm is a backport, or if there are both 8nm/7nm designs
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 18:33:17 (permalink)
    Whether or not this is true, one thing we can all agree on is that NVidia needs to increase their production so if they can open up new fabs they should. Apple already makes their own Silicon so I don't see why NVidia should not do the same. Their current production is just not cutting it. I think they would rather have enough supply to sell to everyone because from a business point of view it makes sense to have a bigger bottomline than to have less sales.
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 18:37:55 (permalink)
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    Whether or not this is true, one thing we can all agree on is that NVidia needs to increase their production so if they can open up new fabs they should. Apple already makes their own Silicon so I don't see why NVidia should not do the same. Their current production is just not cutting it. I think they would rather have enough supply to sell to everyone because from a business point of view it makes sense to have a bigger bottomline than to have less sales.


    Apple makes there own? I thought they relied entirely on tsmc
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants *edit* added fab link

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 18:44:08 (permalink)
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    Whether or not this is true, one thing we can all agree on is that NVidia needs to increase their production so if they can open up new fabs they should. Apple already makes their own Silicon so I don't see why NVidia should not do the same. Their current production is just not cutting it. I think they would rather have enough supply to sell to everyone because from a business point of view it makes sense to have a bigger bottomline than to have less sales.


    Apple makes there own? I thought they relied entirely on tsmc
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants *edit* added fab link


    Yes Apple will make their own chips starting next year in 2021.
     
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-23/apple-aims-to-sell-macs-with-its-own-chips-starting-in-2021
     
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 18:46:57 (permalink)
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    I don't know why but this made me laugh out loud so hard. lmao Just great timing on the post as I was reading through the thread.

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 18:47:47 (permalink)
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    Whether or not this is true, one thing we can all agree on is that NVidia needs to increase their production so if they can open up new fabs they should. Apple already makes their own Silicon so I don't see why NVidia should not do the same. Their current production is just not cutting it. I think they would rather have enough supply to sell to everyone because from a business point of view it makes sense to have a bigger bottomline than to have less sales.


    Apple makes there own? I thought they relied entirely on tsmc
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants *edit* added fab link


    Yes Apple will make their own chips starting next year in 2021.
     
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-23/apple-aims-to-sell-macs-with-its-own-chips-starting-in-2021
     


    "Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., Apple’s partner for iPhone and iPad processors, will build the new Mac chips, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing private product plans."

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 18:49:21 (permalink)
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    Whether or not this is true, one thing we can all agree on is that NVidia needs to increase their production so if they can open up new fabs they should. Apple already makes their own Silicon so I don't see why NVidia should not do the same. Their current production is just not cutting it. I think they would rather have enough supply to sell to everyone because from a business point of view it makes sense to have a bigger bottomline than to have less sales.


    Apple makes there own? I thought they relied entirely on tsmc
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants *edit* added fab link


    Yes Apple will make their own chips starting next year in 2021.
     
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-23/apple-aims-to-sell-macs-with-its-own-chips-starting-in-2021
     


    Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., Apple’s partner for iPhone and iPad processors, will build the new Mac chips, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing private product plans. The components will be based on a 5-nanometer production technique, the same size Apple will use in the next iPhones and iPad Pros, one of the people said. An Apple spokesman declined to comment, as did Intel and TSMC.

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 18:50:36 (permalink)
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    Actually there is a top secret nvidia plant in Texas.  They will be producing GPU's on 5 nm there.  The change is driven by the need for advanced AI processing.  US military requires advanced AI so consumers benefit and we all get great GPU's
     
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    Yep, a fab in Chandler, and 5nm....  
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 18:58:26 (permalink)
    I have heard this rumor from multiple friends in the business also..... hard to believe it's true though....... I still don't honestly.
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 19:09:09 (permalink)
    Great, what's next?
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 19:20:25 (permalink)
    Folks...this thread would be funny, but it’s not.

    TSMC does produce the A100 on 7nm.

    The G102/104 was taped out from the start on Samsung’s 8nm. You cannot just switch.

    Apple designs chips, TSMC produces them all.

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 19:25:04 (permalink)
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    Folks...this thread would be funny, but it’s not.

    TSMC does produce the A100 on 7nm.

    The G102/104 was taped out from the start on Samsung’s 8nm. You cannot just switch.



    This. The design instructions are different. You can't just "port" the design. They would have to start over. You never see companies produce the same die at different foundaries because costs effectively double. If you see a lineup spread between different foundaries, its the dies from the ground up that are designed there. Like the TSMC/Samsung split from Pascal. Or how we have GA100 at TSMC and rest at Samsung.

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 19:40:15 (permalink)
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    Ampere started out as a 7nm design at least from news reports. It was switched to 8nm later. So I wonder if the 8nm is a backport, or if there are both 8nm/7nm designs

    Yeah, I really want to know what they're doing lol. I might regret getting the 8nm node, maybe not? I wish it was with the original 7nm, it's probably a lot less power draw. They promised performance and delivered, but at the cost of more power. That's my guess. They screwed up big and Samsung wasn't a good choice imo. But what do I know :P
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 19:42:00 (permalink)
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    Yep, a fab in Chandler, and 5nm....  


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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 19:47:57 (permalink)
    One of the engineers that worked for nvidia said this is most likely new architecture and not current 3000 series gpu 
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 19:50:17 (permalink)
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    Ampere started out as a 7nm design at least from news reports. It was switched to 8nm later. So I wonder if the 8nm is a backport, or if there are both 8nm/7nm designs

    Yeah, I really want to know what they're doing lol. I might regret getting the 8nm node, maybe not? I wish it was with the original 7nm, it's probably a lot less power draw. They promised performance and delivered, but at the cost of more power. That's my guess. They screwed up big and Samsung wasn't a good choice imo. But what do I know :P


    GA100 is TSMC. The rest were and have always been Samsung. There's alot of bad info out there from certain unreliable techtubers. They have a large audience so info gets spread far and wide. But the Samsung deal was from late 2018/early 2019.

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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 19:55:30 (permalink)
    Doubt this is true.
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    Re: NVIDIA Allegedly Moving Ampere to 7nm TSMC in 2021 2020/10/13 19:57:05 (permalink)
    Maybe they are ordering a bunch more GA100's and use them in a 3080 Ti and 3090 Ti?
     
    (I'm just making stuff up)
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