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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/06 20:59:22 (permalink)
I've had prob 8 beers and a key lime pie and feel fine tonight and I wana barf after looking at that.

Please do a cross pattern with the goop on the next try.

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/06 21:37:16 (permalink)
That flow is awfully slow.  I jut converted 12 LPM and it comes out to 3.17 GPM.  That's slow and will effect your temps while your water coolant temps look good.  You need to be in the 0.8-1.5 GPM range at best for an efficient running loop to utilize your rads properly while having decent air flow going through them via ambient cool air and having the rear as exhaust.
 
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I've had prob 8 beers and a key lime pie and feel fine tonight and I wana barf after looking at that.

Please do a cross pattern with the goop on the next try.





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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 01:06:57 (permalink)
I've tested HC block last week, and got temp difference ~8c idle to load (32 -> 40c) in TimeSpy. Loop was with EK XE 360, 3 fans (same ones used on Hybrid coolers). 

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 01:31:13 (permalink)
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I've tested HC block last week, and got temp difference ~8c idle to load (32 -> 40c) in TimeSpy. Loop was with EK XE 360, 3 fans (same ones used on Hybrid coolers). 



What was your baseline temps for the OE AIO?  Do you think the EK DDC3.1 on the older EK predator 360 will flow enough for the HC block?    

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 03:35:53 (permalink)
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That flow is awfully slow.  I jut converted 12 LPM and it comes out to 3.17 GPM.  That's slow and will effect your temps while your water coolant temps look good.  You need to be in the 0.8-1.5 GPM range at best for an efficient running loop to utilize your rads properly while having decent air flow going through them via ambient cool air and having the rear as exhaust.
 
(No Ahomes, we're not going intake in the rear.    Maybe you like it that way but we don't. )
 
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I've had prob 8 beers and a key lime pie and feel fine tonight and I wana barf after looking at that.

Please do a cross pattern with the goop on the next try.






3 GPM vs. 1.5 is higher though so I guess I’m unaware of something?
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 04:13:08 (permalink)
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That flow is awfully slow.  I jut converted 12 LPM and it comes out to 3.17 GPM.  That's slow and will effect your temps while your water coolant temps look good.  You need to be in the 0.8-1.5 GPM range at best for an efficient running loop to utilize your rads properly while having decent air flow going through them via ambient cool air and having the rear as exhaust.
 
(No Ahomes, we're not going intake in the rear.    Maybe you like it that way but we don't. )
 
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I've had prob 8 beers and a key lime pie and feel fine tonight and I wana barf after looking at that.

Please do a cross pattern with the goop on the next try.






3 GPM vs. 1.5 is higher though so I guess I’m unaware of something?


Yeah I caught that as well. Hehe

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 04:15:17 (permalink)
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I've tested HC block last week, and got temp difference ~8c idle to load (32 -> 40c) in TimeSpy. Loop was with EK XE 360, 3 fans (same ones used on Hybrid coolers). 


I know that rad! Heh nice choice..

I'm going with 2 of those and 2 480s along with the ek CPU block.. whatever the new block name is. Can never remember it.

Hoping 2 d5 pumps will do for flow.

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 04:23:39 (permalink)
As others have said - your Hydronaught is borked. Most likely the tube was left open for too long. I've had the same problem with that stuff and I go through a lot of it. It only takes an hour or two for it to dry out.

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 04:59:10 (permalink)
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3 GPM vs. 1.5 is higher though so I guess I’m unaware of something?
 


The conversion I used was off from some off shoot site I used through google search instead of google themselves. 

Anyhoo, how in the world are you getting 3 GPM in a loop?  I don't even think these premium pumps can go that fast or maybe if it's looped onto itself at best.  What flow meter are you using?  Seems something is off here.



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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 05:04:22 (permalink)
So you payed $299.99 ontop of an AIO card for $1889.99 which already does great and you're getting worse results than it? I would be pissed lol.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 05:35:37 (permalink)
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So you payed $299.99 ontop of an AIO card for $1889.99 which already does great and you're getting worse results than it? I would be pissed lol.


It’s because of the thermal paste. It looks like baked clay. The water loop itself is probably fine.

In my mind a card of this caliber needs it’s own dedicated loop with at least a thick 360 rad or more than that to stay chilly with low noise. Just going off of how the AIO performs.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 06:36:17 (permalink)
Nah, it needs quality fans. It will run 40-45*c under load on decent Noctua's.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 06:52:55 (permalink)
I've never seen 41c on my aio
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 06:54:18 (permalink)
So after reading through most of these it seems most think it's the paste. It was a brand new tube, and those aren't cracks, and it's not that dark. I just didnt use the flash in my camera, the paste has ridges where I pulled up on the block and it pulled off. I guess I'll use a different paste this afternoon after work and try again.
In regards to the pattern, I actually spread it evenly over that card. Sorry that makes you sick? I'll keep you in mind next time I apply thermal paste.
As for the flow, I'm pretty confused as to why 3 GPM is slow but I need to be in the 0.8-1.5 which seems slower.
I have an EK 360 slim and 420 Slim with corsair 120/140 pros in push pull on both. So I dont think it's the fans. And yes after spending this much on a card and then a block for it and now getting worse temps I am pretty sad, especially since my block came with a screw broken from the acrylic.
I have a protection plan on the pump and I can replace it with a new one. Is. D5 enough for a HC, mono block and 2 rads?
Thanks for the helpful comments!
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 06:57:04 (permalink)
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I've never seen 41c on my aio
Um? Cool? Congrats I guess. I didnt keep my fans at 100% the whole time. It would stay at about 39° when at 100.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 07:03:48 (permalink)
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So after reading through most of these it seems most think it's the paste. It was a brand new tube, and those aren't cracks, and it's not that dark. I just didnt use the flash in my camera, the paste has ridges where I pulled up on the block and it pulled off. I guess I'll use a different paste this afternoon after work and try again.
In regards to the pattern, I actually spread it evenly over that card. Sorry that makes you sick? I'll keep you in mind next time I apply thermal paste.
As for the flow, I'm pretty confused as to why 3 GPM is slow but I need to be in the 0.8-1.5 which seems slower.
I have an EK 360 slim and 420 Slim with corsair 120/140 pros in push pull on both. So I dont think it's the fans. And yes after spending this much on a card and then a block for it and now getting worse temps I am pretty sad, especially since my block came with a screw broken from the acrylic.
I have a protection plan on the pump and I can replace it with a new one. Is. D5 enough for a HC, mono block and 2 rads?
Thanks for the helpful comments!


You should've got HWLabs and not wasted your money on EK.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 07:04:11 (permalink)
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I've never seen 41c on my aio


Yeah because it’s on an open bench in a cold room with the fans maxed out. Not a “real case” scenario by any means.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 07:27:23 (permalink)
I would also say it’s the paste. I understand that it might have been new tube but really something is causing it to be higher. The thermal pad would be the only thing I could think of for it.

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 07:30:43 (permalink)
Dont spread the paste. Air bubbles that way I bet. Do a cross pattern and let it spread naturally when tightening down the block.

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 07:44:06 (permalink)
I always use the 5 dots pattern like on a domino and always use the coolermaster  mastergel-maker  
                                             




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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 07:48:46 (permalink)
I think the HC KPE is going to need its own loop to match the perf of the stock CLC. When my replacement HC arrives I can though it in its own loop Nemesis 360GTX and the same EKD5 pump and see what the performance looks like.
 
It's nice to hear TIN's take aka ~8c difference idle to load but am still unsure sounds like fake news... Over a couple hours of looped timespy stress testing the liquid temp should have climbed at least 2c. So was that just a quick test or what are we even talking about with the so called 8c difference. difference over liquid temp?
 
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 08:20:39 (permalink)
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As for the flow, I'm pretty confused as to why 3 GPM is slow but I need to be in the 0.8-1.5 which seems slower.  I have an EK 360 slim and 420 Slim with corsair 120/140 pros in push pull on both. So I dont think it's the fans. And yes after spending this much on a card and then a block for it and now getting worse temps I am pretty sad, especially since my block came with a screw broken from the acrylic.
I have a protection plan on the pump and I can replace it with a new one. Is. D5 enough for a HC, mono block and 2 rads?




Please reread my responses.  I never said actually 3.0 GPM is slow (error converting 12 LPM to GPM on my end) but don't believe that is accurate either unless you're using a more powerful industrial pump.  You do not have 3.0 GPM running in your loop because you'd have so much pressure build up and bubbles up the wazoo and ......ok it's not realistic.  I know this because I own two D5s myself.  You'd be the first person in my almost 10 years into custom cooling with such a flow I've ever heard of.  You're not even bothered by the numbers you're telling me which tells me you never read intro to custom liquid cooling to get a sense of the basics and where things are at but hey, many people do the same so to each their own. 
 
You have temp issues with '3.0 GPM'.  I'd say lets start over on the troubleshooting and as helpful everyone is, I feel everyone has a difference sense of direction on how to go about this.  I say, get your basic custom cooling numbers right first and go from there so you're singling out and moving on to the next step.

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 08:24:14 (permalink)
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So after reading through most of these it seems most think it's the paste. It was a brand new tube, and those aren't cracks, and it's not that dark. I just didnt use the flash in my camera, the paste has ridges where I pulled up on the block and it pulled off. I guess I'll use a different paste this afternoon after work and try again.
In regards to the pattern, I actually spread it evenly over that card. Sorry that makes you sick? I'll keep you in mind next time I apply thermal paste.
As for the flow, I'm pretty confused as to why 3 GPM is slow but I need to be in the 0.8-1.5 which seems slower.
I have an EK 360 slim and 420 Slim with corsair 120/140 pros in push pull on both. So I dont think it's the fans. And yes after spending this much on a card and then a block for it and now getting worse temps I am pretty sad, especially since my block came with a screw broken from the acrylic.
I have a protection plan on the pump and I can replace it with a new one. Is. D5 enough for a HC, mono block and 2 rads?
Thanks for the helpful comments!


You should've got HWLabs and not wasted your money on EK.
You understand that lots of people use EK and they are actually fine. Are they the best? No. These kind of comments aren't helpful, if you have nothing to add to this that's going to actually help please refrain from responding.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 08:31:14 (permalink)
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As for the flow, I'm pretty confused as to why 3 GPM is slow but I need to be in the 0.8-1.5 which seems slower.  I have an EK 360 slim and 420 Slim with corsair 120/140 pros in push pull on both. So I dont think it's the fans. And yes after spending this much on a card and then a block for it and now getting worse temps I am pretty sad, especially since my block came with a screw broken from the acrylic.
I have a protection plan on the pump and I can replace it with a new one. Is. D5 enough for a HC, mono block and 2 rads?




Please reread my responses.  I never said actually 3.0 GPM is slow (error converting 12 LPM to GPM on my end) but don't believe that is accurate either unless you're using a more powerful industrial pump.  You do not have 3.0 GPM running in your loop because you'd have so much pressure build up and bubbles up the wazoo and ......ok it's not realistic.  I know this because I own two D5s myself.  You'd be the first person in my almost 10 years into custom cooling with such a flow I've ever heard of.  You're not even bothered by the numbers you're telling me which tells me you never read intro to custom liquid cooling to get a sense of the basics and where things are at but hey, many people do the same so to each their own. 
 
You have temp issues with '3.0 GPM'.  I'd say lets start over on the troubleshooting and as helpful everyone is, I feel everyone has a difference sense of direction on how to go about this.  I say, get your basic custom cooling numbers right first and go from there so you're singling out and moving on to the next step.
If you have a link to the intro to custom cooling that'd would be helpful, I have read and watched plenty of things and have been running custom loops for 2 years. I'm not a veteran but not a full blown newb.
I havent exactly looked up what my waterflow should be at normally and I was just giving the answer my flow meter indicated. As for re-reading your response. I want the only one confused, I read it many times. As far as the pump speed goes its 720LPH which is close to half of the 1500LPH stated on the spec sheet. So im losing half of the flow through the loop?
If you want to help please help, but just saying im obviously a noob and need to just start over isnt helpful. I'm not looking for why I'm wrong, I'm looking for help.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 09:47:31 (permalink)
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As others have said - your Hydronaught is borked. Most likely the tube was left open for too long. I've had the same problem with that stuff and I go through a lot of it. It only takes an hour or two for it to dry out.
I'm going to use some other paste tonight. I hope it's just a bad tube. It was brand new and bought for this exact reason. Thanks 👍
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 09:57:25 (permalink)
Slim line EK rads are not going to give great or even good results, IMO. As others have said, redo the TIM, put the card into a single loop, try a new flow meter, and swap rads for best performance. The straightest line of flow is your best bet. Use 45* vs 90* elbows or no elbows and soft 1/2 tubing if you can. The TIM looks thick and old or dunked in water or something. Looks like it never was able to spread or thin out.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 10:06:00 (permalink)
Among other things, looks to me that you didn't use enough paste. Don't be afraid of using "too much" thermal paste.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 10:12:02 (permalink)
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I've tested HC block last week, and got temp difference ~8c idle to load (32 -> 40c) in TimeSpy. Loop was with EK XE 360, 3 fans (same ones used on Hybrid coolers). 


What was the water temperature and ambient with both setups before testing? How about after and hr or two of testing? What temps were the design team seeing during testings?
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 11:08:41 (permalink)
Im just wondering if there is actually and issue with the Loop temps being high but the software your using for the CPU is way low, heres my theory, Your only getting up to the mid 40s under full load in benchmarks, but your GPU is reading higher then what your CPU and its first in the loop, I would like to know what the exit water temps were from the hydro copper because that seems sorta low to me for them both to daisy chain together. Another issue I can think of, what if the Monoblock is actually dead heading pressure, and making water flow in the GPU slow down, If water is staying the GPU block for to long it will let temps climb. If you have a some soft line and maybe an air cooler, take the cpu mono block out of the equation, and see what the GPU temps are by itself.  

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SSD: Corsair MP510 980GB NVME
PSU: Corsair RM1000i


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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/07 11:26:17 (permalink)
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I think the HC KPE is going to need its own loop to match the perf of the stock CLC. When my replacement HC arrives I can though it in its own loop Nemesis 360GTX and the same EKD5 pump and see what the performance looks like.
 
It's nice to hear TIN's take aka ~8c difference idle to load but am still unsure sounds like fake news... Over a couple hours of looped timespy stress testing the liquid temp should have climbed at least 2c. So was that just a quick test or what are we even talking about with the so called 8c difference. difference over liquid temp?
 
While we are at it what is the difference in cooling performance on the VRM and MEM vs CLC?
 
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