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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 11:29:05
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Slim line EK rads are not going to give great or even good results, IMO. As others have said, redo the TIM, put the card into a single loop, try a new flow meter, and swap rads for best performance. The straightest line of flow is your best bet. Use 45* vs 90* elbows or no elbows and soft 1/2 tubing if you can. The TIM looks thick and old or dunked in water or something. Looks like it never was able to spread or thin out.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 11:31:53
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So after reading through most of these it seems most think it's the paste. It was a brand new tube, and those aren't cracks, and it's not that dark. I just didnt use the flash in my camera, the paste has ridges where I pulled up on the block and it pulled off. I guess I'll use a different paste this afternoon after work and try again.
In regards to the pattern, I actually spread it evenly over that card. Sorry that makes you sick? I'll keep you in mind next time I apply thermal paste.
As for the flow, I'm pretty confused as to why 3 GPM is slow but I need to be in the 0.8-1.5 which seems slower.
I have an EK 360 slim and 420 Slim with corsair 120/140 pros in push pull on both. So I dont think it's the fans. And yes after spending this much on a card and then a block for it and now getting worse temps I am pretty sad, especially since my block came with a screw broken from the acrylic.
I have a protection plan on the pump and I can replace it with a new one. Is. D5 enough for a HC, mono block and 2 rads?
Thanks for the helpful comments!
I do the same "I actually spread it evenly over that card" but also on the Water Block Side. I will be using TF8 on mine. You should have RMA'ed the Card Back for the "Broken Acrylic" or at least sent in a Photo in a Service Ticket to record your Damage. If the OLED Fails or the acrylic cracks more and you start to leak your RMA could be rejected for you damaging the acrylic. Thin Radiators are not going it cut it with a Single Loop with the CPU and GPU. Maybe with two loops but the RTX Cards Run Much Hotter than the Older GTX Cards Ever Did.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 11:49:42
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Just getting my HC and KPE together...
At idle, I'm around 29C. On load with Firestrike Extreme stress test, temp peaked at 50C with water temp at 36C. Ambient water temp at idle is 28-29C.
Do those temps fall in-line with what you all are seeing?
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 11:57:02
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Just getting my HC and KPE together...
At idle, I'm around 29C. On load with Firestrike Extreme stress test, temp peaked at 50C with water temp at 36C. Ambient water temp at idle is 28-29C.
Do those temps fall in-line with what you all are seeing?
Not very many other numbers out there yet so hard to say. What is your water loop like? What radiators and fans?
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 11:57:47
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Just getting my HC and KPE together...
At idle, I'm around 29C. On load with Firestrike Extreme stress test, temp peaked at 50C with water temp at 36C. Ambient water temp at idle is 28-29C.
Do those temps fall in-line with what you all are seeing?
It's pretty similar to what I get with the AIO @ +130/+1000 with push/pull Noctua A12's @ 1600rpm. Usually I see 48C holding steady in FSE etc, I set my fan profile so that temps never break past 49C. This is with ambient room temp of 70F. You are the first person I have seen here who has actually done some runs with their KPE HC installed. Hopefully more people chime in over the weekend once their blocks are delivered/installed.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:02:25
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Just getting my HC and KPE together...
At idle, I'm around 29C. On load with Firestrike Extreme stress test, temp peaked at 50C with water temp at 36C. Ambient water temp at idle is 28-29C.
Do those temps fall in-line with what you all are seeing?
For me I think 50°C is very high. I Guess I put mine on today and delay my case custom and report back. But "Peaked at 50°C" might not be bad for this card.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:04:03
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Just getting my HC and KPE together...
At idle, I'm around 29C. On load with Firestrike Extreme stress test, temp peaked at 50C with water temp at 36C. Ambient water temp at idle is 28-29C.
Do those temps fall in-line with what you all are seeing?
C'mon huh? I believed the clc to be good, but may be the total design is that good. I have not opened mine. All fans are removed , right? Could the loss of the card fans have this affect? I know it's early. @Jahusaphet The acrylic tube going into your cpu wb looks to be hurting flow from here, gpu temps aside.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:06:19
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At least we are seeing that this Hybrid Cooler is doing a Great Job.
Lets Hope EVGA will Change all their Hybrid Kits and Cards to this new 240.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:07:48
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I have a single loop with 2 360mm rads. My 9900k is at 5.1GHz, card is stock with no OC. The fans on my radiators are in pull configurations at 1300rpm SilentWings3 High-Speed. I can try using the card as the PWM signal for the fans (running off a mobo temp sensor now). Room ambient is 73-74F.
Just curious if i needed to try to reseat it etc. My 1080ti in the same configuration barely broke 42C under load but i know the 2080ti runs warmer.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:16:41
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I'd wait for some high temp cure time and others to post results before that. Sure hope the TIM doesn't turn out all brain like if you remove it. That would have everyone really confused.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:21:01
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No, i dont think so. I used a new tube of Kryonaut - spread a thin coat across the GPU then added a squeeze in the center for good measure.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:23:33
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That's a pretty healthy overclock on your 9900k in the same loop so with low-speed fans and 2x 360mm rads your temps might make sense. Lets wait until we see some more results though to get a better idea.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:30:14
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Here are the spread patterns. I'm re fitting the card again.
I've had the same pattern because of the GPU Bracket, the protuberances facing the HC block are creating a bigger gap between the core and block. Also because of this my GPU was freezing with bad artifacts. EVGA Support replied back to me saying the black insulation was applied on the wrong side of the bracket, they clearly stated that it was supposed to be applied on the side with the protuberances, so the flat side facing the HC block. They asked me to peel it off and reapply on the right side. But installed in this way now the screws are way too long so I guess that the screws with the spring used for the hybrid bracket are just fine (I did not test it bc the block was removed too many times and I was tired of trying to fix a thing that EVGA is supposed to do), so I decided to keep the bracket off and now everything is working great. This GPU Bracket solution has been creating a lot of confusion, obviously I'm not recommending you do the same, I'm just sharing my experience. Another thing that I noticed, the block protuberances/standoffs, have to be aligned very good bc some of them are going to fit inside the PCB holes.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:35:08
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Jahusaphet
So after reading through most of these it seems most think it's the paste. It was a brand new tube, and those aren't cracks, and it's not that dark. I just didnt use the flash in my camera, the paste has ridges where I pulled up on the block and it pulled off. I guess I'll use a different paste this afternoon after work and try again.
In regards to the pattern, I actually spread it evenly over that card. Sorry that makes you sick? I'll keep you in mind next time I apply thermal paste.
As for the flow, I'm pretty confused as to why 3 GPM is slow but I need to be in the 0.8-1.5 which seems slower.
I have an EK 360 slim and 420 Slim with corsair 120/140 pros in push pull on both. So I dont think it's the fans. And yes after spending this much on a card and then a block for it and now getting worse temps I am pretty sad, especially since my block came with a screw broken from the acrylic.
I have a protection plan on the pump and I can replace it with a new one. Is. D5 enough for a HC, mono block and 2 rads?
Thanks for the helpful comments!
I do the same "I actually spread it evenly over that card" but also on the Water Block Side.
I will be using TF8 on mine.
You should have RMA'ed the Card Back for the "Broken Acrylic" or at least sent in a Photo in a Service Ticket to record your Damage.
If the OLED Fails or the acrylic cracks more and you start to leak your RMA could be rejected for you damaging the acrylic.
Thin Radiators are not going it cut it with a Single Loop with the CPU and GPU.
Maybe with two loops but the RTX Cards Run Much Hotter than the Older GTX Cards Ever Did.
I did send in for an RMA. They are taking forever to get back.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:40:51
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Jahusaphet
Here are the spread patterns. I'm re fitting the card again.
I've had the same pattern because of the GPU Bracket, the protuberances facing the HC block are creating a bigger gap between the core and block.
Also because of this my GPU was freezing with bad artifacts.
EVGA Support replied back to me saying the black insulation was applied on the wrong side of the bracket, they clearly stated that it was supposed to be applied on the side with the protuberances, so the flat side facing the HC block. They asked me to peel it off and reapply on the right side.
But installed in this way now the screws are way too long so I guess that the screws with the spring used for the hybrid bracket are just fine (I did not test it bc the block was removed too many times and I was tired of trying to fix a thing that EVGA is supposed to do), so I decided to keep the bracket off and now everything is working great.
This GPU Bracket solution has been creating a lot of confusion, obviously I'm not recommending you do the same, I'm just sharing my experience.
Another thing that I noticed, the block protuberances/standoffs, have to be aligned very good bc some of them are going to fit inside the PCB holes.
Hmm maybe i should have used more paste. I never did really understand the purpose of the GPU bracket. Every other non-evga block i've used in the past never had one. I wonder if it would be wise to remove it.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 12:52:54
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I have done a few port royal and time spy extreme runs with the hydro copper and I'm staying at 43c with mine. That's +135 core clock which is 2190 and memory +1500 with 1.55v to the vram
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 13:11:00
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I have done a few port royal and time spy extreme runs with the hydro copper and I'm staying at 43c with mine. That's +135 core clock which is 2190 and memory +1500 with 1.55v to the vram
Is that about 6-7* difference than you were getting before the swap? How difficult would it be to do away with the stock radiator and replace it with a 360-480 rad keeping everything else stock? edit: except new fans
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 13:13:06
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I have done a few port royal and time spy extreme runs with the hydro copper and I'm staying at 43c with mine. That's +135 core clock which is 2190 and memory +1500 with 1.55v to the vram
Are you more consistently at 2190 with the hc block on? Sounds like temps improved but overclocking of GPU not so much.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 13:23:52
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Yeah temps maintain better but still not a big enough gain to be a big game changer in higher OC's. Yes about 7c better then the stock aio the kingpin comes with. For sure better for the memory temps though with the HC block.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 13:27:03
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My chiller came in today but probably won't get a chance to do anything with it until Sunday.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 13:28:53
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My chiller came in today but probably won't get a chance to do anything with it until Sunday.
Give me 2 Hours and I will Report my Findings. 
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 13:57:10
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So after reapplying the paste and removing the gpu block I am now seeing a max temp of 42C. Thanks everyone for your suggestions! When the Luxe 2 comes out I may move it to its own loop. Right now I am in a modded Luxe TG So I can only fit slims in my case. Again thank you to everyone who took time to answer me. I will be buying a new tube of paste this weekend.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 14:31:08
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I would not purchase Thermal Grizzly, I find that its extremely thick and very hard to apply correctly. Noctua especially the new formula (NT-H2) is very easy to apply...
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 14:38:09
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Anyone know what thermal compound the Kingpin cards use from EVGA? Is it KPx?
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 15:06:11
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I wouldn't use anything other than Liquid Metal for this card... You're simply going to get better performance because of how sensitive these cards are in relationship to temperature and power/speed.
Of course, if you plan to go sub zero benching disregard my suggestion.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 16:05:43
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Jahusaphet
Here are the spread patterns. I'm re fitting the card again.
I've had the same pattern because of the GPU Bracket, the protuberances facing the HC block are creating a bigger gap between the core and block.
Also because of this my GPU was freezing with bad artifacts.
EVGA Support replied back to me saying the black insulation was applied on the wrong side of the bracket, they clearly stated that it was supposed to be applied on the side with the protuberances, so the flat side facing the HC block. They asked me to peel it off and reapply on the right side.
But installed in this way now the screws are way too long so I guess that the screws with the spring used for the hybrid bracket are just fine (I did not test it bc the block was removed too many times and I was tired of trying to fix a thing that EVGA is supposed to do), so I decided to keep the bracket off and now everything is working great.
This GPU Bracket solution has been creating a lot of confusion, obviously I'm not recommending you do the same, I'm just sharing my experience.
Another thing that I noticed, the block protuberances/standoffs, have to be aligned very good bc some of them are going to fit inside the PCB holes.
Hmm maybe i should have used more paste. I never did really understand the purpose of the GPU bracket. Every other non-evga block i've used in the past never had one. I wonder if it would be wise to remove it.
The first time I installed the block, I used 1 whole pack of paste (the one provided with the block), and with the bracket installed as shown in the instructions, the GPU was freezing and crashing. Once I removed the block, the paste was dripping from the bottom (the card is vertical), and I found the same spread pattern showed on this thread. The protuberances on the bracket keep the block too far away from the GPU core. This bracket serves no purpose! At this point I don't really know what is its function when mounted with the flat side facing the block.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 16:25:50
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The flat side does not go towards the block, the flat side has the black coating and goes towards the pcb to prevent short circuit and then the little black sticky washers go between the pcb and the screw head.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 17:04:55
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This bracket serves no purpose! At this point I don't really know what is its function when mounted with the flat side facing the block.
That bracket is designed to Stop you from cracking the GPU Die  Physical damage is Not covered by Warranty
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 17:13:37
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The flat side does not go towards the block, the flat side has the black coating and goes towards the pcb to prevent short circuit and then the little black sticky washers go between the pcb and the screw head.
Well, EVGA support told me that the flat side goes towards the block and the insulation was supposed to be applied on the side with the protuberances If they say something I assume is correct!
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps.
2019/06/07 17:18:03
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dwexpress
The flat side does not go towards the block, the flat side has the black coating and goes towards the pcb to prevent short circuit and then the little black sticky washers go between the pcb and the screw head.
Well, EVGA support told me that the flat side goes towards the block and the insulation was supposed to be applied on the side with the protuberances
If they say something I assume is correct!
You need to read your directions better step #13. People did the same mistake with earlier hydro coppers and short circuited gpu's. The bracket is to prevent to much pressure on the die with pressure, when installed properly it will not stick up and prevent the block from contacting the gpu die.
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