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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/25 12:48:37 (permalink)
@ vladdimplr Compared to mine
Room 23.5°C Coolant 20.9°C

 
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/25 12:58:19 (permalink)
I may reseat mine again with diff thermal pads, that mem temp is obnoxious! Replacing the top fans with 2000RPM ML140s hoping that can bring a degree or 2 down on the coolant. Plenty chill for gaming, but I really miss my 1080ti ftw3 hydro lol 35c max across the board.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/25 13:36:53 (permalink)
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/25 13:37:43 (permalink)
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I may reseat mine again with diff thermal pads, that mem temp is obnoxious! Replacing the top fans with 2000RPM ML140s hoping that can bring a degree or 2 down on the coolant. Plenty chill for gaming, but I really miss my 1080ti ftw3 hydro lol 35c max across the board.

I hear you about the your FTW3 Cards, Not giving mine up.
Are you running two loops or one with the CPU?

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/25 15:49:03 (permalink)
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I am over the KP Hype, Flow is there, reseated multiple times now, temps are meh, this thing is going up for sale end of july more than likely. Here are the temps under full load.
2 xe480 rads
1 ce420
dual d5
the heat out of this bad boy is something else, in my opinion for the $300 or what ever it was this hydrcopper is terrrrrible.
https://imgur.com/a/iPU95Tg
 
low temps when there is no load.
 
I really expected a lot more, these temps are more than enough for gaming, 2145/2160 stable, the whole claim of 2200 is a bit of a far reach. 




Temps look good to me man. My memory runs at like high 60's C with the AIO lol. 
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/26 06:59:06 (permalink)
I ended up putting my AiO back on. Testes it with an EK 420 CE in push pull. Brought the temps down to 45 at stock settings and 49 with the OC. Seems pretty unacceptable. I still dont understand how the Hybrid cooler is better with a slim 240 than a 360 or a 420.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/26 11:34:05 (permalink)
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I ended up putting my AiO back on. Testes it with an EK 420 CE in push pull. Brought the temps down to 45 at stock settings and 49 with the OC. Seems pretty unacceptable. I still dont understand how the Hybrid cooler is better with a slim 240 than a 360 or a 420.



Technically it shouldn't which means something else is going on.

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/26 16:07:24 (permalink)
Hybrid on same superposition 8k run with fans 80% compared to the 100% with the 420 CE I'm getting a max of 44°C. That's with the 2115 OC that I use for 24/7 operation. Compared to the 49°C my card was hitting with the Hydro copper. I reseated it 8 times so I dont think it's my placement.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/26 19:09:37 (permalink)
Jahusaphet have you created a Service Ticket for your KPE HC Water Block?

Did you ever post a photo like the ones below showing your Temperatures?
 
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/26 20:08:28 (permalink)
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Hybrid on same superposition 8k run with fans 80% compared to the 100% with the 420 CE I'm getting a max of 44°C. That's with the 2115 OC that I use for 24/7 operation. Compared to the 49°C my card was hitting with the Hydro copper. I reseated it 8 times so I dont think it's my placement.



I'm wasn't referring to your placement but could be just a bad spec'd block or some pads too thick by accident somehow.  Just throwing any possibilities.  I would probably RMA the block seeing what you have done already.
 
I almost forgot to ask, did you have the GPU bracket installed on the WB?  If so, try without it one last attempt before moving towards a RMA or at least get a hold of support.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/27 06:55:04 (permalink)
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Hybrid on same superposition 8k run with fans 80% compared to the 100% with the 420 CE I'm getting a max of 44°C. That's with the 2115 OC that I use for 24/7 operation. Compared to the 49°C my card was hitting with the Hydro copper. I reseated it 8 times so I dont think it's my placement.



I'm wasn't referring to your placement but could be just a bad spec'd block or some pads too thick by accident somehow.  Just throwing any possibilities.  I would probably RMA the block seeing what you have done already.
 
I almost forgot to ask, did you have the GPU bracket installed on the WB?  If so, try without it one last attempt before moving towards a RMA or at least get a hold of support.
Oh, I wasn't actually answering anyone when I said I don't think it's the seating. I was also just throwing out things I've tried Haha. The first time I tried it with the bracket and the last 6 without after i saw others had luck with that. I'll be seeing about another possible RMA or a refund. I'm getting 4-5 ° difference with the hybrid. My 2080 to Xc2 ultra only reached 44°C after 3+ hours of use. I know this card uses more Voltage but man.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/27 09:38:19 (permalink)
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Hybrid on same superposition 8k run with fans 80% compared to the 100% with the 420 CE I'm getting a max of 44°C. That's with the 2115 OC that I use for 24/7 operation. Compared to the 49°C my card was hitting with the Hydro copper. I reseated it 8 times so I dont think it's my placement.



I'm wasn't referring to your placement but could be just a bad spec'd block or some pads too thick by accident somehow.  Just throwing any possibilities.  I would probably RMA the block seeing what you have done already.
 
I almost forgot to ask, did you have the GPU bracket installed on the WB?  If so, try without it one last attempt before moving towards a RMA or at least get a hold of support.
Oh, I wasn't actually answering anyone when I said I don't think it's the seating. I was also just throwing out things I've tried Haha. The first time I tried it with the bracket and the last 6 without after i saw others had luck with that. I'll be seeing about another possible RMA or a refund. I'm getting 4-5 ° difference with the hybrid. My 2080 to Xc2 ultra only reached 44°C after 3+ hours of use. I know this card uses more Voltage but man.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/27 10:34:06 (permalink)
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Hybrid on same superposition 8k run with fans 80% compared to the 100% with the 420 CE I'm getting a max of 44°C. That's with the 2115 OC that I use for 24/7 operation. Compared to the 49°C my card was hitting with the Hydro copper. I reseated it 8 times so I dont think it's my placement.



I'm wasn't referring to your placement but could be just a bad spec'd block or some pads too thick by accident somehow.  Just throwing any possibilities.  I would probably RMA the block seeing what you have done already.
 
I almost forgot to ask, did you have the GPU bracket installed on the WB?  If so, try without it one last attempt before moving towards a RMA or at least get a hold of support.
Oh, I wasn't actually answering anyone when I said I don't think it's the seating. I was also just throwing out things I've tried Haha. The first time I tried it with the bracket and the last 6 without after i saw others had luck with that. I'll be seeing about another possible RMA or a refund. I'm getting 4-5 ° difference with the hybrid. My 2080 to Xc2 ultra only reached 44°C after 3+ hours of use. I know this card uses more Voltage but man.



 
I'm pretty sure its just a crappy block design, the 6 p's, piss poor planning produced poopy product since these temps seem to be pretty average between current users.
 
 
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 12:30:09 (permalink)
So this is what i got my idle temps at now at room temperature. Liquid temp at 19C room temp at 20C. I pulled all stock thermal pads and replaced them all with fuji 17w/km.  1.0mm on the memory and 1.5mm everywhere else. Also the memory modules i put a little drop of thermal paste between the module and the pads.

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 12:32:25 (permalink)
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So this is what i got my idle temps at now at room temperature. Liquid temp at 19C room temp at 20C. I pulled all stock thermal pads and replaced them all with fuji 17w/km.  1.0mm on the memory and 1.5mm everywhere else. Also the memory modules i put a little drop of thermal paste between the module and the pads.
what do you get under load?
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 12:47:21 (permalink)
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So this is what i got my idle temps at now at room temperature. Liquid temp at 19C room temp at 20C. I pulled all stock thermal pads and replaced them all with fuji 17w/km.  1.0mm on the memory and 1.5mm everywhere else. Also the memory modules i put a little drop of thermal paste between the module and the pads.
what do you get under load?



Don't know yet still getting things ready for benching.




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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 12:58:37 (permalink)
Cool. Cant wait.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 13:09:28 (permalink)
Nice, looking forward to that too, since I want to do a similar thing with the kingpin myself. I also wonder what kind of thermal pad thickness is on the stock AIO...
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 13:20:42 (permalink)
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Nice, looking forward to that too, since I want to do a similar thing with the kingpin myself. I also wonder what kind of thermal pad thickness is on the stock AIO...
I'm interested to see if the memory thermal pads are too thick and stopping the cold plate from making good contact.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 13:27:49 (permalink)
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Nice, looking forward to that too, since I want to do a similar thing with the kingpin myself. I also wonder what kind of thermal pad thickness is on the stock AIO...
I'm interested to see if the memory thermal pads are too thick and stopping the cold plate from making good contact.



The stock thermal pads are 1.25mm on the memory and 1.5mm everywhere else according to Tin but when i took mine apart it didn't seem like the thermal paste was spreading very well. I used a straight edge to make sure of the gpu bracket and there was a gap between the straight edge and the gpu bracket when laying it across the corners so with a gap there and the block having an added protusion as well for the gpu die there is no way the block can hit the gpu bracket. So thats when i decided to try the 1.0mm pads instead of 1.25mm for the memory and i was able to get much better thermal paste spread when the block was tightened down. 




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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 13:54:13 (permalink)
So here is what my temps are after running furmark gpu stress test for 10 minutes when without oc. The test is still running when the picture is taken.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 14:05:25 (permalink)
And here is what the temps are after 10 minutes of furmark when oc'd.

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 14:09:57 (permalink)
@dwexpress Do you have a Backup Normal Custom Water Loop for your KPE?

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 14:15:16 (permalink)
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@dwexpress Do you have a Backup Normal Custom Water Loop for your KPE?




I have a koolance pump/reservoir combo unit that i use. When i got home it decided it didn't want to work but i can't complain the unit was several years old.  Ordered another one but won't have it until early next week. So right now the chiller is my pump unit and its set at 20C which is my room temperature so it is basically set to what a normal custom loop would be. I wanted to use that before hooking the chiller up so i could get a good comparison but since it took a crap i couldn't.  I will be able to once it gets here though because i have quick couplers so i can switch from chiller to stock custom loop in a matter of just a few minutes.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 14:45:54 (permalink)
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@dwexpress Do you have a Backup Normal Custom Water Loop for your KPE?




I have a koolance pump/reservoir combo unit that i use. When i got home it decided it didn't want to work but i can't complain the unit was several years old.  Ordered another one but won't have it until early next week. So right now the chiller is my pump unit and its set at 20C which is my room temperature so it is basically set to what a normal custom loop would be. I wanted to use that before hooking the chiller up so i could get a good comparison but since it took a crap i couldn't.  I will be able to once it gets here though because i have quick couplers so i can switch from chiller to stock custom loop in a matter of just a few minutes.
Doesnt the chiller still pull heat out of the loop? Is there a control to test against?
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 14:55:18 (permalink)
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@dwexpress Do you have a Backup Normal Custom Water Loop for your KPE?




I have a koolance pump/reservoir combo unit that i use. When i got home it decided it didn't want to work but i can't complain the unit was several years old.  Ordered another one but won't have it until early next week. So right now the chiller is my pump unit and its set at 20C which is my room temperature so it is basically set to what a normal custom loop would be. I wanted to use that before hooking the chiller up so i could get a good comparison but since it took a crap i couldn't.  I will be able to once it gets here though because i have quick couplers so i can switch from chiller to stock custom loop in a matter of just a few minutes.
Doesnt the chiller still pull heat out of the loop? Is there a control to test against?


 Yes the chiller will pull heat out of the loop, it replaces what a normal loop would have as a radiator. When your running a custom loop naturally you want to keep the loop as close to room temperature as possible so by using a large radiator or multiple smaller radiators you maintain the loop as close to room temp as you can. Thats the same way the chiller works only without the radiators in the loop. If the chiller is set lower it can go below room temps of course but thats why i set  the liquid temp as the room temp to try and be as close to a normal custom loop as possible so i can compare when i get my other pump/reservoir replaced.




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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 17:06:42 (permalink)
Went out and got an EK thermosphere. I'm going to try it out and see if that helps temp. Might narrow it down.
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 19:04:42 (permalink)
warning.. be prepared for ghetto :)
 
setup, this is a TV gaming PC. I'm replacing 2080 ti SLI (bitspower blocks) with KPE.
(it is a small case! :) It has to fit in a AV cabinet and look good.) 
I'm been having issues both with flow and temp of the second card.
I don't think the card likes being feed from the sides. I tried parallel as you'd expect and the second card got very hot. The flow dropped from 8lpm to 3. I tried serial and the temps were fine-ish, but the flow dropped to 1.5lpm. (ugh)
So i ghetto'd this parallel. :) Coming in from the top of the card vs the sides, and using a y spiller. Flow still isn't great (over 5lpm), but much better. Temps a bit higher than i'd expect, but i think that is because of the flow. ~48C on both cards on Port Royal with +125 core and +1400 ram. I took the water sensor out, but i'll add it back in later. Room temp is about 25C.

 
 Anyone else in SLI? Are the HC cards more flow restrictive than most? (i normally use bitspower and EK.)
 
 
I have a gillion Koolance quick disconnects that i'm sure aren't helping. I'll take some of them out and maybe add another pump. :)
 
(I did beat my old port royal score with these.. which was cool as i wasn't trying to push the cards. Moving up higher in the 100s. (blah i used to be in the top ten.) My other system is in my sig. So it beat Titan RTXs and higher OC'd CPU with more cores. (not that port royal cares about those.)
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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 19:08:27 (permalink)
Now That is What I Call a Rats Nest
MAKE SURE YOU PUT A TOWEL UNDER THE FITTINGS BEFORE YOU DISCONNECT THEM.
You've Been Warned

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Re: Kingpin Hydro copper temps. 2019/06/28 19:12:35 (permalink)
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Now That is What I Call a Rats Nest
MAKE SURE YOU PUT A TOWEL UNDER THE FITTINGS BEFORE YOU DISCONNECT THEM.




oh, yeah, i know the Koolance disconnect dance. wrap it in paper towers. Then take the female side, hold to the side and bash it into something till the center pops up. ugh. I hate these things (and love them!)
I feel like a won a prize one when disconnects correctly.
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