Airikay

Ethrem
I definitely think 10GB is a little light when the Steam hardware survey shows an average of 8GB VRAM. I think it’s inevitable to see a refresh with 20GB, especially if the AMD 16GB rumors pan out.

Steam Hardware shows what people have, not what is required. Also, if you actually look at it you will see it isn't an average. 8GB is just the single largest group. Over 70% of people have 6GB or less. While there maybe refreshes with more VRAM it doesn't mean they're required for the foreseeable future. Nvidia themselves said they've only seen actual usage up around 6GB at 4k.

My bad, I read it wrong. The average is actually 4GB which probably means most of those 1060s are the 6GB models.

There definitely is going to be an increase in VRAM usage though. The consoles have 16GB which means that console ports are going to be north of 10GB pretty fast. Devs are very lazy when they port, it’s rare that a port has the optimization it could have had right out of the gate.

Ethrem
There definitely is going to be an increase in VRAM usage though. The consoles have 16GB which means that console ports are going to be north of 10GB pretty fast. Devs are very lazy when they port, it’s rare that a port has the optimization it could have had right out of the gate.

The 16GB for next gen is shared memory, only 10GB is for graphics. I almost was going to put that in my last post too because I figured that's where this was going to go, haha. I am going to clarify that I think 10GB is enough for 4k at the very least until 4XXX cards come out and possibly even 5XXX. I'm not saying 10GB will always be enough.

Airikay

vulcan1978

Add the fact that the 3080 may be VRAM limited with next gen console ports, to say nothing of VR (seeing 10.5GB of usage in Half Life: Alyx on the Index, and I'm upgrading to the Reverb G2 with 5.5% more actual resolution). 

There is a difference between VRAM allocated and VRAM used
https://youtu.be/mxsBZgHM7CE?t=26m15s

The problem is the inability to tell what is allocated and what is being used. 
 
Not only do I see Half Life: Alyx using 10.5GB in the Index but I also see 9GB used in Middle Earth: Shadow of War, The Division 2, Doom Eternal and Shadow of the Tomb Raider (8GB in SOTTR actually) @ 3440x1440
 
Here's a debate about allocation vs usage in Shadow of War, I will include some responses from people who attempted to use the Ultra texture pack in this game without enough video memory: 
 
 
dennis  Oct 10, 2017 @ 10:41am  

tried it on my gtx 1080 strix oc'ed, but it started stuttering like crazy, had to delete it

edit: I didn't really notice anything different without it though lol
 
 
rafnolasco  Jan 23, 2018 @ 12:44pm  

Hard to belive but in deed it can use 8GB of VRAM. I play it all settings in ultra and get 60+ FPS. However there are times when I suddenly get a message that says "Your video card is running out memory" and the game closes. ****? insuficient memory! I do have 8192MB but ultra settings ask me for 8310MB

I play on: 1920*1200p
-i5 4690k
-16GB RAM
-R9 390 8GB
 
Considering that I've personally experienced vram starvation with both my 780 Ti and even 980 Ti (3 and 6GB respectively) which results in severe hitching (the latter in Fallout 4, upgrading to 1080 Ti completely eliminated the hitching) and that NV has done this in the past with the 970 and 980 (just enough video memory for current gen titles, only for the hardware to struggle with games that came out only two years later, for example, you couldn't turn on Nightmare Textures in Doom 2016 without 6GB of video memory minimum) I find that what NV is doing with the 3070 and 3080 to be an example of engineered obsolescence. 
 
Sure, you MIGHT have enough video memory to play current gen console ports, but lets bear in mind the next gen consoles will have more unified system memory and it's axiomatic that they will employ higher fidelity textures and assets which will drive up video memory usage higher than anything we've seen up until now. 
 
8 and 10 GB isn't future proof. And that's the whole point. NV is banking on this and will release higher video memory variants, they may even release a 20GB card in response to Big Navi in November. 
 
I don't want to gamble with that, this is just another aspect of the aforementioned math I employed that strengthens my decision to go with the 3090 over the 3080: 
 
Coming from 2080 Ti the increase in rasterization and RT performance looks like: 
 
3080: +30% rasterization and +60-70% RT for $700 
 
3090: +50% rasterization and +80-90% RT for $1500 and not having to worry about being video memory limited nor or in 2-3 years with a 2160x2160x2 HMD or an upgrade to say, Samsung's 5120x1440 Odyssey G9 (12% less pixels than 3840x2160). 

YMaksymyuk
Hi guys,
 
If I were to go with EKWB EK-Quantum Vector RTX 3080/3090 water block, which EVGA 3090 will be compatible with it? EVGA is not listed currently in EK's configurator...
 
Thanks!

unless ek says specifically that it will work i wouldn't buy it. 

ThirteenEra

kingx11
hopefully the guys at EVGA are packaging 3090 KP with all the needed accessories for the PSU

Extremely unlikely.


 
It is a bad, bad idea to run PSU with cables not from that psu's manufacturer. And Evga cannot include cables for every possible PSU brand. 

So i am 99.99999983% sure that even KP will come with no PSU cables

Its not unlikely. Its going to happen. nV video cards have come with power adapters for as long as i can remember. My 1080ti Kingpin has adapters in the box.

q5sys

F5alcon
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/isrbwj/newegg_canada_will_have_around_90_stock_for_both/
 
90 cards? I hope EVGA held most of the stock for their site or these are going to sell out in seconds. 

I think more than 90 have already sold on ebay by scalpers. lol

lol yeah, it is only Newegg Canada so I assume their allocation is smaller than Newegg US or directly from EVGA. 

Will the 3080 XC3 model be a 2 x 8 pin? i have a 1080ti ftw3 and wanted to straight swap to it

AdsAndo
Will the 3080 XC3 model be a 2 x 8 pin? i have a 1080ti ftw3 and wanted to straight swap to it

Yes, for that specific model.

i hope i can get the 3080 hybrid version on 17/09. its idiotic not allowing pre  purchase via a proper bot filtered page setup. then you will know the demand. it seems from this thread lot of people are going for 3090 but for me having a 2070 jumping to 3080 is more than enough to play @ 4k. 2070 cannot beat crysis 3 at 4k when all settings are maxed out.(goes below 30FPS mark) i hope 3080 can smash it. and hybrid will keep such demanding titles below 55 C temp mark i guess. finally i hope 3080 hybrid is like 750$ and not 1000$. 

CSM1O1
i hope i can get the 3080 hybrid version on 17/09. its idiotic not allowing pre  purchase via a proper bot filtered page setup. then you will know the demand. it seems from this thread lot of people are going for 3090 but for me having a 2070 jumping to 3080 is more than enough to play @ 4k. 2070 cannot beat crysis 3 at 4k when all settings are maxed out.(goes below 30FPS mark) i hope 3080 can smash it. and hybrid will keep such demanding titles below 55 C temp mark i guess. finally i hope 3080 hybrid is like 750$ and not 1000$. 

hybrid isn't launching then. only air cooled versions. hybrid and hydrocopper are a later date

CSM1O1
i hope i can get the 3080 hybrid version on 17/09. its idiotic not allowing pre  purchase via a proper bot filtered page setup. then you will know the demand. it seems from this thread lot of people are going for 3090 but for me having a 2070 jumping to 3080 is more than enough to play @ 4k. 2070 cannot beat crysis 3 at 4k when all settings are maxed out.(goes below 30FPS mark) i hope 3080 can smash it. and hybrid will keep such demanding titles below 55 C temp mark i guess. finally i hope 3080 hybrid is like 750$ and not 1000$. 

Not sure if Jacob was referring to both Hybrids or just the 3090 Hybrid with 3080 coming out a bit earlier

q5sys
Scalpers getting even more grimy: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-GeForce-RTX-3080-PRE-ORDER-FREE-US-SHIPPING/224157395675

Please leave feedback to release any possible holds on funds 12 hours before release date (9AM EDT) to ensure that this can be purchased on time. 
Any failure to do so may result in a refund of the listed MSRP + Sales Tax for this item following hold release.

So not only do you have to leave feedback before you even get the item... which removes your ability to complain if he scams you... but if you don't he'll refund you the MSRP + sales tax ($699+~5%) while pocketing the difference from the US $1,050.00 you paid him.
Now that's dirty.
 

I don't understand how this is legal. 

So i see some of you talking about seeing these cards in newegg, and I wonder how? Is it a setting thing or the fact the link is to newegg canada? Because I dont see any evga 3000 series cards when i look for even placeholders.
I do see one gigabyte placeholder though

antarious

q5sys
Scalpers getting even more grimy: 

Please leave feedback to release any possible holds on funds 12 hours before release date (9AM EDT) to ensure that this can be purchased on time. 
Any failure to do so may result in a refund of the listed MSRP + Sales Tax for this item following hold release.

So not only do you have to leave feedback before you even get the item... which removes your ability to complain if he scams you... but if you don't he'll refund you the MSRP + sales tax ($699+~5%) while pocketing the difference from the US $1,050.00 you paid him.
Now that's dirty.
 

The "fun part" from my perspective is... they are clearly saying they are going to use the MSRP + sales tax part of your payment to order the card.  Which is the huge glaring *hint* that you should just hang onto your money and order it yourself.
 
Back in the day people used to at least get the card on their own and then list it for double MSRP...  Now it's like for a "small fee" (lol) we'll do the pre-order for you.  So if they go to pre-order the card and one way or another they can't actually get a card (fast sell out/page issues etc) do they still only refund msrp + sales tax... makes you wonder.
 
It also seems like the fact you cannot actually guarantee you will get a card in 30 days due to limited quantities... that the listings shouldn't be allowed for that reason alone.  As per Ebay Policy pre-sale requires a guarantee of having the product in a 30 day window.  Unless you have an inside line to Nvidia or some 3rd party card maker... you can't guarantee that.

To take it one step further... that guy was also charging $119 shipping... and he actually sold his listing.
Some of them are listing shipping as Late October - Late November.  Meaning you're paying almost double for a card that you wont have for another 2 months.  I've been reporting them, but none of them have come down.  Seems Ebay doesn't care since they are getting their slice.
 
Then there are the ones that claim that its a "Guaranteed Pre-Order", and then list that they will refund the money if they are unsuccessful.  Hmm... maybe they don't understand the meaning of "Guaranteed".

Jalthir
So i see some of you talking about seeing these cards in newegg, and I wonder how? Is it a setting thing or the fact the link is to newegg canada? Because I dont see any evga 3000 series cards when i look for even placeholders.
I do see one gigabyte placeholder though

They are on the Newegg.com (usa) site, but none on UK site yet.