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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 09:55:06 (permalink)
more of a water-cooling question , what cards from evga are reference pcb (since i saw ekwb has ref blocks already , i don't want to screw up and buy an incompatible card) 


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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 10:12:46 (permalink)
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Hello Everyone, 
 
I'm comparing the XC3 Ultra (1755 mhz) vs the FTW Ultra and wondering how roughly how many FPS more the FTW (1800 mhz) people expect will actually produce, and is it worth it since I just like the look of the XC3 and probably lower price better.  My use will be with the HP Reverb G2 (4k 90 hrtz).
 
Thanks,




Advertised MHz are guaranteed by EVGA ... any given card "might" clock higher .. people refer to this as the "silicon lottery"
 
Higher end cards usually have additional improvements besides MHz - like: more Power Phases, Memory bandwidth, RAM speed, Coolers ....

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 10:25:44 (permalink)
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Hello Everyone, 
 
I'm comparing the XC3 Ultra (1755 mhz) vs the FTW Ultra and wondering how roughly how many FPS more the FTW (1800 mhz) people expect will actually produce, and is it worth it since I just like the look of the XC3 and probably lower price better.  My use will be with the HP Reverb G2 (4k 90 hrtz).
 
Thanks,




Advertised MHz are guaranteed by EVGA ... any given card "might" clock higher .. people refer to this as the "silicon lottery"
 
Higher end cards usually have additional improvements besides MHz - like: more Power Phases, RAM speed, Coolers ....




I asked this in another thread, do you know if the XC3 will have iCX sensors? Thanks! 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 10:44:19 (permalink)
Your asking if the XC3 will have all the bells & whistles ... temp sensors ?
 
 
 ... like everyone else I'm waiting for the release of more information .. just this info https://www.evga.com/technology/icx3/
 
 
Last generation (20 series) cards fell into 2 - distinct groups for "icx"  --> iCX2 Cooling  &  iCX2 Technology
 
 
 iCX2 Technology - had All the bells & whistles
 
 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 10:46:14 (permalink)
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Only FTW3 and K|NGP|N cards have the iCX3 Technology features, including sensors and safety fuse.


 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3077630
 
Lee answered you in one of the other topics.  
post edited by Airikay - 2020/09/10 10:53:00

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 10:49:15 (permalink)
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Only FTW3 and K|NGP|N cards have the iCX3 Technology features, including sensors and safety fuse.


 
Lee answered you in one of the other topics.  




can you add a link to that post you quoted ?

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 10:50:10 (permalink)
https://forums.evga.com/R...k-Speeds-m3077403.aspx

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 10:52:13 (permalink)
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https://forums.evga.com/R...k-Speeds-m3077403.aspx


thank you
 
I found that post from Lee  https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3077630



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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 11:01:55 (permalink)
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Hello Everyone, 
 
I'm comparing the XC3 Ultra (1755 mhz) vs the FTW Ultra and wondering how roughly how many FPS more the FTW (1800 mhz) people expect will actually produce, and is it worth it since I just like the look of the XC3 and probably lower price better.  My use will be with the HP Reverb G2 (4k 90 hrtz).
 
Thanks,


It is a 2.5% difference in clock speed. Realistically 1 or 2 fps, maybe not even that since they are both going to boost higher than either of those numbers. I also have that headset preordered, I don't think there is a big enough difference without going to a 3090 to make a real world difference. Most games are going to be fine and some are going to require turning down settings no matter what. Even the 3090 probably isn't going to get 90fps in Flight simulator on Ultra for example. 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 11:10:58 (permalink)
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Only FTW3 and K|NGP|N cards have the iCX3 Technology features, including sensors and safety fuse.


 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3077630
 
Lee answered you in one of the other topics.  




Thanks, also thanks to Cool GTX. Looks like I will be getting a 3090 FTW3 and waiting for a block to be made for it. Hopefully EVGA pulls out all of the stops and this thing has a 450w TDP limit (3x8 pin power) as it's going to need it. There was a leak of a 3090 FTW3 doing 2.1 GHz at 1.1v, that's a 25% overclock. 25% over 350W is 440W, so I'm assuming it does have a 450 or so TDP limit. 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 11:26:43 (permalink)
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Only FTW3 and K|NGP|N cards have the iCX3 Technology features, including sensors and safety fuse.


 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3077630
 
Lee answered you in one of the other topics.  




Thanks, also thanks to Cool GTX. Looks like I will be getting a 3090 FTW3 and waiting for a block to be made for it. Hopefully EVGA pulls out all of the stops and this thing has a 450w TDP limit (3x8 pin power) as it's going to need it. There was a leak of a 3090 FTW3 doing 2.1 GHz at 1.1v, that's a 25% overclock. 25% over 350W is 440W, so I'm assuming it does have a 450 or so TDP limit. 


3X8 is a 525W limit because 75w from the slot. 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 11:37:50 (permalink)
Does anyone from EVGA have the sizes for the 3090 FTW Ultra? (Not the 3080, the 3090)?
 
Specifically the width is what im worried about
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 11:51:52 (permalink)
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Does anyone from EVGA have the sizes for the 3090 FTW Ultra? (Not the 3080, the 3090)?
 
Specifically the width is what im worried about




The 3080 and 3090 share the same PCB, they have the same GPU core (GA102-300 vs GA102-200) with a few SM's disabled on the 3080. The only difference is the 3090 has VRAM on the top side of the PCB. 
 
My question is, going by pictures we have thus far of the EVGA 3090 variants, how are they addressing VRAM cooling on the top of the PCB and will replacing the air cooler void the warranty (because cooling will now be limited to a back-plate for the top bank of VRAM)? 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 12:02:14 (permalink)
I have now seen 3 listed cards in a store. The boards are longer than expected.
  • GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Gaming, 10240 MB GDDR6X
  • GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Black Gaming, 10240 MB GDDR6X
  • GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra Gaming, 10240 MB GDDR6X
Is there an information which of the cards use a reference design. So that the chances for a water cooler are higher? 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 12:50:25 (permalink)
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what's the difference between FTW3, FTW3 Ultra and what of the two will the hydro copper be?


I found per this new egg listing that the Ultras have higher clock speeds, and you can see more RGB lighting.  Aside from that, I'm not sure what other differences exist.  
 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 12:51:05 (permalink)
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Thanks, also thanks to Cool GTX. Looks like I will be getting a 3090 FTW3 and waiting for a block to be made for it. Hopefully EVGA pulls out all of the stops and this thing has a 450w TDP limit (3x8 pin power) as it's going to need it. There was a leak of a 3090 FTW3 doing 2.1 GHz at 1.1v, that's a 25% overclock. 25% over 350W is 440W, so I'm assuming it does have a 450 or so TDP limit. 


It wasn't a leak.  It was just something from the promotional video you can see on the homepage.  2105 is an impossible clock speed for Ampere because it increases in increments of 15 like Turing.  For whatever reason that became "news".  It is just promotional stuff, EVGA never claimed the clock speed.  Someone used it as click bait and others reposted without even thinking about it.  That doesn't mean it can't hit 2.1, but the fact is we just don't know.  

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 12:52:51 (permalink)
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The main difference is that for any (recent) CPU/MB combo out there, there are _a lot_ of 3rd party coolers. And good ones.

That's just not the case for GPU.
Like take a 2080 ti FTW3. If you don't want to watercool it.
Good luck for finding a good GPU air cooler (yes EVGA sells an hybrid conversion kit, but even them are not confident it would work with just a bare PCB and nothing else).


I don't see how that it is relevant to OP's assertion that liability (i.e. the threat of being sued) is the reason that a GPU can't be purchased without a cooler. Whether it's possible, or easier, to purchase a cooler doesn't change the fact that a clueless individual can attempt to use a cooler-less CPU out of the box just as easily as a cooler-less GPU.
 
Nevermind that, as far as I know, temps would prevent an unmodified system from POSTing with such a CPU or GPU in the first place. But even if not, the point is that a CPU and GPU are both in the same category when it comes to clueless people. :)
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 12:53:44 (permalink)
That is what I was thinking, so I might as well go with the XC3 (I just wish it didn't have the red on the end.)  
 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 13:06:00 (permalink)
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Thanks, also thanks to Cool GTX. Looks like I will be getting a 3090 FTW3 and waiting for a block to be made for it. Hopefully EVGA pulls out all of the stops and this thing has a 450w TDP limit (3x8 pin power) as it's going to need it. There was a leak of a 3090 FTW3 doing 2.1 GHz at 1.1v, that's a 25% overclock. 25% over 350W is 440W, so I'm assuming it does have a 450 or so TDP limit. 


It wasn't a leak.  It was just something from the promotional video you can see on the homepage.  2105 is an impossible clock speed for Ampere because it increases in increments of 15 like Turing.  For whatever reason that became "news".  It is just promotional stuff, EVGA never claimed the clock speed.  Someone used it as click bait and others reposted without even thinking about it.  That doesn't mean it can't hit 2.1, but the fact is we just don't know.  




Thanks for the clarification, I heard the rumor somewhere, plugging in "3090 FTW3 2.1 GHz 1.1v" into a search engine yields the source: 
 
https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ftw3-teased-with-2-1-ghz-oc-boost-clock
 
And yes, it's the promotional video. 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 13:12:53 (permalink)
https://www.igorslab.de/en/chip-is-not-equal-to-chip-first-information-on-the-possibility-to-binning-and-dispersal-at-the-force-rtx-3080-andrtx-3090/
"The sources speak almost unanimously of an average of up to 30% of chips with Bin 0, approx. 60% with Bin 1 and only 10% with Bin 2 for the RTX 3080"
 
This explains why they have said there are more FTW3 Ultras than FTW3 base, good yields on the top card.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 14:17:04 (permalink)
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Only FTW3 and K|NGP|N cards have the iCX3 Technology features, including sensors and safety fuse.


 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3077630
 
Lee answered you in one of the other topics.  




Thanks, also thanks to Cool GTX. Looks like I will be getting a 3090 FTW3 and waiting for a block to be made for it. Hopefully EVGA pulls out all of the stops and this thing has a 450w TDP limit (3x8 pin power) as it's going to need it. There was a leak of a 3090 FTW3 doing 2.1 GHz at 1.1v, that's a 25% overclock. 25% over 350W is 440W, so I'm assuming it does have a 450 or so TDP limit. 


Why don't you just take Hydro Copper?

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 14:17:11 (permalink)
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"The sources speak almost unanimously of an average of up to 30% of chips with Bin 0, approx. 60% with Bin 1 and only 10% with Bin 2 for the RTX 3080"
 
This explains why they have said there are more FTW3 Ultras than FTW3 base, good yields on the top card.




So that means that we should pull the trigger on the FTW3 Ultra as it is a much better chip and as a result a better GPU as a whole? 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 16:06:48 (permalink)
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"The sources speak almost unanimously of an average of up to 30% of chips with Bin 0, approx. 60% with Bin 1 and only 10% with Bin 2 for the RTX 3080"
 
This explains why they have said there are more FTW3 Ultras than FTW3 base, good yields on the top card.




So that means that we should pull the trigger on the FTW3 Ultra as it is a much better chip and as a result a better GPU as a whole? 


Not necessarily, both cards might be from the same bin, but they want to maximize profit and if the cards are capable of hitting the higher speed they will label more of them ultra rather than normal.  
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 16:12:03 (permalink)
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Only FTW3 and K|NGP|N cards have the iCX3 Technology features, including sensors and safety fuse.


 
https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3077630
 
Lee answered you in one of the other topics.  




Thanks, also thanks to Cool GTX. Looks like I will be getting a 3090 FTW3 and waiting for a block to be made for it. Hopefully EVGA pulls out all of the stops and this thing has a 450w TDP limit (3x8 pin power) as it's going to need it. There was a leak of a 3090 FTW3 doing 2.1 GHz at 1.1v, that's a 25% overclock. 25% over 350W is 440W, so I'm assuming it does have a 450 or so TDP limit. 


Why don't you just take Hydro Copper?




https://forums.evga.com/Hydro-Copper-m3073134-p2.aspx
 
SpadeRoyalFlush 
 
The 20 series block are quiet an disappointment, at least in my experience. Despite the great look, Heaven benchmark will have the GPU peaks at 75 degree, which is even 10 degree higher than the stock heatsink. I RMAed that block but did not even slap the replaced one on, order an EKWB instead and the temp did not even exceed 55 under the most stressful OC benchmark.
 
Given that there are better options performance wise (German blocks like Watercool Heatkiller) and this manufacture does not fabricate blocks for custom designed cards except the Asus Strix, i will rather go for a reference PCB XC3 and have a compatible Heatkiller sit on it. Since Asus is very likely to deny warranty claims if they confirms that you have modified the cooler. 
 
 
 
 
But this isn't the only reason. I find the aesthetic direction EVGA has taken with Ampere to be distasteful. 
 
Here's the 30 series HC: https://videocardz.net/ev...3080-10gb-hydro-copper
 
Here's the 20 series HC for comparison: https://farm8.staticflick...64507_8b6ca5f0d5_o.jpg
 
And we haven't even seen the back-plate (it's like the same design as FTW3). 
 
That's not the end of it though, with a 3rd party WB the RGB is controlled by the motherboard software via 5v 3 pin. With EVGA's HC this isn't the case, the RGB are controlled independently through Precision X. 
 
I like to have the RGB of the WB correspond with the RGB of the rest of the system: https://youtu.be/VNQjOteKpnU
 
With their HC block, it will be doing whatever it wants as there is no communication between EVGA PX and Gigabyte's RGB Fusion. 
 
I understand that SpadeRoyalFlush may have had a bad unit, but he's not the only one to relay bad performance with the 20 series HC block. I really don't like the aesthetic direction. The hexagonal pattern, the cheap looking red plastic trim, the dark grey, none of that will gel with my system (aforementioned youtube vid). 
 
 
 
 
What I'm worried about, and I pointed this out over on overclock.net, is that it took EKWB one year to produce a WB for the FTW3: 
 
If you intend to put the card under water the dilemma is:

A. "Reference" PCB and being limited to 2x8 or 1x12 pin power limitations (BIOS side, yes I understand that 2x8 pin power can convey more than 300w).

B. "Non-Reference" PCB and having to wait, I don't know 1 year for a quality block to be made but having 3x8 pin power and no power limitations?

I'm faced with the same dilemma, and am currently leaning heavily towards going non-reference and waiting. I've settled on EVGA's 3090 FTW, I anticipated it being another $200 up and over $1500 but I already know that wattage starvation is going to be THE limiting factor of GA-102 with 375w. You may be able to flash a non-reference BIOS (i.e., I'm running FTW3 bios on my 2080 Ti XC2, 2x8 pin) the question is, will flashing be more difficult this time around and do you run the risk of burning something up over 2x8 pin? I doubt it. This is what I'm mulling over in my head right now. Although I'm leaning towards FTW today (XC3 yesterday) having a look at how long it took EKWB to make a block for this variant:

EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra 11 GB Review (FTW3 Review, Nov 2018)

EK Water Blocks Announces EK-Quantum Vector FTW3 Water Block (EKWB FTW3 block announced, Nov 2019)

I mean EVGA will undoubtedly release their HydroCopper block much sooner (I'm hearing Oct this year) but that block, it doesn't look good, EVGA, in their infinite wisdom has decided to put this permanent plastic red trim on all of their cards this time around, and to top everything off I'm hearing reports that the 20 series HC blocks had performance issues (possibly due to inadequate contact with the GPU die / VRM / Memory etc). I've seen a thread over in the EVGA forums where someone stated that their HC blocked 2080 Ti was running at 75C!
 
 
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Seriously, and please don't take this personally, whoever was in charge of the aesthetic direction of the 30 series cards needs to be fired. 
 
Here, let's compare once more: 
 
20 series FTW3 HC:  https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7853/31948064507_8b6ca5f0d5_o.jpg
 
30 series FTW HC:  https://videocardz.net/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-10gb-hydro-copper
 
 
Is this Back to the Future and EVGA paid someone to go back in time 10 years and find a designer for their 30 series cards? 
 
Taboo #1: DON'T FORCE NON-NEUTRAL COLORS ON PEOPLE. 
 
The red plastic trim shouldn't be there. Full stop. 
 
 
 
Edit: 
 
Also, steel / iron plugs inviting galvanic corrosion. How much did that save EVGA in the grand scheme of things? Let's see, 2080 Ti HydroCopper ran $1600 and they saved $10 using steel / plugs instead of copper and just hoped no-one would notice? 
 
https://youtu.be/VBzGbhnSi9I 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 16:20:56 (permalink)
Any rumors/confirmation on when the 3080 FTW3 Hydro Copper will come out?

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 16:53:16 (permalink)
Just need that 3090 FTW.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 17:47:49 (permalink)
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Sick designs, dude. I like that EVGA has put two HDMI 2.1 sockets on their cards and two Displayports 1.4a's. The founders edition has only one HDMI 2.1 socket and three Displayports 1.4a's instead. This means i can use one HDMI 2.1 for the monitor and rig the other one up to my eARC AV Receiver for lossless audio/surround sound. Nice job 

:EDIT: Looks like its just 1x HDMI 2.1 and 3x Displayport 1.4a booo 


ASUS is showing 2 HDMI and 3 DP configuration.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/10 22:41:22 (permalink)
B&H Photo has the Asus 3080 OC Tuff available to buy and has prices on cards. The MSI X Gaming Trio 3090 going for 1900$. Expect EVGA to be about the same for this card.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/11 01:45:25 (permalink)
I hate to say it but the RED thingy at the edges totally destroys the card for me. Black or a grey tone would fit great...
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/11 01:48:11 (permalink)
@vulcan1978

Now I know I'll take the "normal" card and the waterblock from EK. Before that I had 1080ti FTW3 with EK WB and I was very pleased with this combination.

Thanks for the extensive explanation!

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