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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 05:58:11 (permalink)
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Good day people.
I've been looking for some info about various partner cards, right now i think i will not be getting beefy 3x8 pin cards like FTW3 or alternatives.
I think i will stick to 2x8 pin, looking at 3080 XC3 on newegg, there are 3 models - regular, ultra and black. I suspect "ultra" is like "oc" but what is "black"? Can anyone tell?
Edit: looking at some german price placeholders black seems to be on the cheaper side.




If you do a comparison on NewEgg, the 'XC3 Gaming' is listed as having a metal back-plate while the 'XC3 Black' does not.
 
https://www.newegg.com/Pr...4-487-521%2C14-487-522
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 06:20:28 (permalink)
Hi everyone, very excited for these new cards !!!! 
 
I assume this has been answered in some capacity in these past 32 pages, but due to my limited time I'm just gonna go for it:
If I am eligible for step-up on the 17th/24th, and the cards sell out instantaneously (which likely will happen), can I queue myself into a line so that when "a card" becomes available I can still qualify for step-up for it?
 
My step up ends on like October 5th or something, so obviously I am not expecting the cards to be back in stock for sure before then, I just hope that there is a "get in line for step-up" and when you "get in line", it stops your step up from expiring?
 
Thanks everyone, appreciate your time!
 
Edit* changed date of my step-up expiration, oops!
post edited by wenzeld - 2020/09/13 09:45:01
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 07:47:55 (permalink)
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My step up ends on like July 5th or something, so obviously I am not expecting the cards to be back in stock for sure before then, I just hope that there is a "get in line for step-up" and when you "get in line", it stops your step up from expiring?



Im going to guess you put the wrong date in. I'm pretty sure cards will be back in stock before July 5 2021.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 08:37:19 (permalink)
evga STILL hasn't put up the links for the products page?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 09:37:01 (permalink)
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evga STILL hasn't put up the links for the products page?


Why would they? There's still 3 days to go before hardware embargo lifts. They cant provide any specs or prices until embargo is gone. What would their products page list? Pictures and placeholder lorem ipsum text?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 10:23:31 (permalink)
wenzeld
Hi everyone, very excited for these new cards !!!! 
 
I assume this has been answered in some capacity in these past 32 pages, but due to my limited time I'm just gonna go for it:
If I am eligible for step-up on the 17th/24th, and the cards sell out instantaneously (which likely will happen), can I queue myself into a line so that when "a card" becomes available I can still qualify for step-up for it?
 
My step up ends on like October 5th or something, so obviously I am not expecting the cards to be back in stock for sure before then, I just hope that there is a "get in line for step-up" and when you "get in line", it stops your step up from expiring?
 
Thanks everyone, appreciate your time!
 
Edit* changed date of my step-up expiration, oops!


Once you join the step up queue, you are in queue, and just have to wait for your number to be called. As long as you have time left, you can actually hop out of queue to join a different queue. Example, you jump on the 3080, but decide you prefer the 3090 when it launches, so you drop the 3080 and get in line for the 3090, but you still have to be within the 90 days to be able to switch queues, and you also go to the back of the queue line as well.

Your number will not be visible, but everyone goes in order from when they submitted their step up request.

It could be a few days, a few weeks, or even a few months.

Just be aware, it is usually the base model cards in the step up list, so be prepared for the Black or XC3 model to go on the list at most. The other cards will not get listed, especially not the hybrids, FTW3’s, or K|ngp|n’s.
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2020/09/13 10:27:00
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 11:07:37 (permalink)
I'm sure one would have no problem selling said card for retail or more if they want to jump to another model later on. ;)

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 12:25:02 (permalink)
Newegg has a couple different SKU's for the XC3 3080
 
This one shows a little faster GPU speed:
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card, 10G-P5-3885-KR, 10GB GDDR6X, iCX3 Cooling, ARGB LED, Metal Backplate 
Whats the price difference? from the 3881-KR ?
 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 12:30:29 (permalink)

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I'm sure one would have no problem selling said card for retail or more if they want to jump to another model later on. ;)


Even after NV release 20GB 3080 and 16GB 3070 variants within a quarter in response to Big Navi (who will have a 16GB card that will sit in between the 3070 and 3080 in rasterization  @ $550 and 24GB card that will sit in between the 3080 and 3090 @ $1k? Remember the 1060? They sold 3GB and 6GB variants simultaneously and the 6GB variants had considerably higher resale value. 
 
https://youtu.be/s5T1uAEbMuE?t=813
 
 
See the gaping chasm in price and performance between the 3080 and the 3090? Yeah, NGreedia have something up their sleeve for Big Navi, whether that will be a 20GB 3080 or 3080S is the question. 
 
Everyone buying first wave ampere expecting them to be at the top of the stack and to hold value goes against what Nvdia has done with their product releases historically. 
 
First wave refresh NEVER hold their value. 
 
See: 
 
RTX 2070
GTX 1080
GTX 1060
GTX 980 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 12:36:45 (permalink)
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 13:47:12 (permalink)
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See the gaping chasm in price and performance between the 3080 and the 3090?

 
The problem is that I only see a gaping chasm in price. The 3090 has ~20% higher FLOPS than the 3080 for a 114% higher price. The difference in apparent raw performance between the 3080 and 3090 is far less than than between the 3070 and 3080. And that means that there is also no performance room at all for a 3080 Ti....a 3080 Ti that isn't a complete joke, that is.
 
vulcan1978
Yeah, NGreedia have something up their sleeve for Big Navi, whether that will be a 20GB 3080 or 3080S is the question. 



Whatever they do, they better never, ever again release cards with different RAM amounts and exactly the same naming scheme, lol. The only thing worse is releasing the same card with a 128-bit and 256-bit version and leaving the poor average gamer to figure that out for himself.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 17:00:18 (permalink)
Is 780 3gb and 780 6gb that hard to differentiate?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 17:06:04 (permalink)
Unless you go to the very top aka 2080ti (or titans before that) they tend to (as of the last couple years) put out the biggest card they'll make at a high price and make some lower stuff under it with room to wiggle for competition reasons.

I feel pretty safe with a 3090 that no matter how things shuffle underneath it will remain the top card just like 2080ti did last time.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/13 17:17:06 (permalink)
When you factor in the fees ebay and PayPal charge along with the shipping the profits you think they are making aren't nearly as much.

You don't have to pay 13% of the profit to eBay / PayPal you have to pay 13% of the entire amount charged even the shipping.

For example at $1000 for a $700 card after fees and $40 in shipping they end up with $130

Its profitable sure but not nearly as profitable as a lot of people think. At $2000 for a $1500 they only see about $200.

They can't even sell them for less than ~850 (@700 cost) without losing money.

$1500 card would have to sell for $1775 to basically break even.

If anyone's making off like a bandit it's eBay / PayPal.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 02:50:54 (permalink)
when will the RTX 3080 be available for purchase and where?
 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 05:23:37 (permalink)
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Is 780 3gb and 780 6gb that hard to differentiate?



I don't know how things are done now, but when I bought my GTX 770 in 2014, I had no clue there was a 4GB variant. I knew that the 770 was a 2GB card, so it never occurred to me to check for different RAM amounts. The problem is producing different versions of the same product name, instead of at least differentiating them by name, such as '8800 GTS 320', '8800 GTS 640', and '8800 GTS 512'.
 
When I purchase products like that, or build a system, I assure you that I do a lot of research, and still I only found out several months ago that a 4GB 770 ever existed, lol! I can't imagine that the average Joe would have fared any better than I.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 05:32:59 (permalink)
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Is 780 3gb and 780 6gb that hard to differentiate?



I don't know how things are done now, but when I bought my GTX 770 in 2014, I had no clue there was a 4GB variant. I knew that the 770 was a 2GB card, so it never occurred to me to check for different RAM amounts. The problem is producing different versions of the same product name, instead of at least differentiating them by name, such as '8800 GTS 320', '8800 GTS 640', and '8800 GTS 500'.
 
When I purchase products like that, or build a system, I assure you that I do a lot of research, and still I only found out several months ago that a 4GB 770 ever existed, lol! I can't imagine that the average Joe would have fared any better than I.


I hear what you're saying but take an iPhone or any other device that has a memory specification. You'll find almost all of them with the same name with the ram amount added to the end to differentiate.

To me its clear that GTX 780 3gb (or 6gb) listed as the products name (and even built In to the product sku) or the box says GTX 780 with 3gb in the ram spot or 6gb setting next to each other on the shelf (and the price difference) all to be enough to indicate they are 2 different models.

I hear ya that it hurt to get burned but (and I'm not trying to be a jerk) if you had dines bit more than assuming that was it instead of checking is why that happened.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 05:34:44 (permalink)
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I feel pretty safe with a 3090 that no matter how things shuffle underneath it will remain the top card just like 2080ti did last time.

It seems like you are ignoring the TITAN RTX for some reason? The 3090 is being promoted as a TITAN-level card.
 
You can't arbitrarily ignore it based upon price: The MSRP of the TITAN RTX was 150% higher than the 2080 Ti, while the 3090 is 114% higher than the 3080. So the 20 Series price gap wasn't radically different than the 30 Series gap.
 
In fact, very few people paid $1000 USD for a 2080 Ti, with many or most paying ~$1200 - $1700+.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 05:41:27 (permalink)
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To me its clear that GTX 780 3gb (or 6gb) listed as the products name (and even built In to the product sku) or the box says GTX 780 with 3gb in the ram spot or 6gb setting next to each other on the shelf (and the price difference) all to be enough to indicate they are 2 different models.

I understand what you're saying--the iPhone example is what I'm saying is the right way. It's the way NVIDIA did it with the 8800 GTS.
 
But I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying that I had a hard time knowing which cards were 2GB or 4GB...I'm saying I didn't even know the GTX 770 was anything but a 2GB card. I didn't even look for a 4GB version because I had no idea it existed. That's because the RAM amount wasn't part of the official product names.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 06:21:42 (permalink)
Anyone knows what's up with the eu store? It's listing prices but you can't actually buy stuff.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 06:55:29 (permalink)
Any word if the hybrid cards will be out on launch or if there will be a 3090 hybrid? 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 07:07:28 (permalink)
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I feel pretty safe with a 3090 that no matter how things shuffle underneath it will remain the top card just like 2080ti did last time.

It seems like you are ignoring the TITAN RTX for some reason? The 3090 is being promoted as a TITAN-level card.
 
You can't arbitrarily ignore it based upon price: The MSRP of the TITAN RTX was 150% higher than the 2080 Ti, while the 3090 is 114% higher than the 3080. So the 20 Series price gap wasn't radically different than the 30 Series gap.
 
In fact, very few people paid $1000 USD for a 2080 Ti, with many or most paying ~$1200 - $1700+.


And we have already seen a leaked Quadro with the full GA102 die with 48GB GDDR6 just switch that to 24GB GDDR6X at the full 21Gbps instead of 19Gbps and they have a Titan with 5-10% more performance than the 3090. Plus there still is a GA100 die with no announced products. 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 08:19:30 (permalink)
Can you send me screenshots of those leaked prices
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 09:13:02 (permalink)
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See the gaping chasm in price and performance between the 3080 and the 3090?

 
The problem is that I only see a gaping chasm in price. The 3090 has ~20% higher FLOPS than the 3080 for a 114% higher price. The difference in apparent raw performance between the 3080 and 3090 is far less than than between the 3070 and 3080. And that means that there is also no performance room at all for a 3080 Ti....a 3080 Ti that isn't a complete joke, that is.
 
vulcan1978
Yeah, NGreedia have something up their sleeve for Big Navi, whether that will be a 20GB 3080 or 3080S is the question. 



Whatever they do, they better never, ever again release cards with different RAM amounts and exactly the same naming scheme, lol. The only thing worse is releasing the same card with a 128-bit and 256-bit version and leaving the poor average gamer to figure that out for himself.




If youre coming from 2080 Ti the math works out like this: 
 
+$700 (FE) for a 30% bump in rasterization and 60-70% bump in RT vs +$1500 (FE) for a 50% bump in rasterization and 80-90% bump in RT. Add the fact that the 3080 may be VRAM limited with next gen console ports, to say nothing of VR (seeing 10.5GB of usage in Half Life: Alyx on the Index, and I'm upgrading to the Reverb G2 with 5.5% more actual resolution). 
 
Basically the 3090 truly is like the 690 in terms of a performance proposition, taking you to near 3080 SLI performance coming from say a 580. If the 3090 was 30% faster than the 3080 in rasterization then it would look like this: 
 
$700 for 30% bump in rasterization
$1500 for 60% bump in rasterization 
 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 09:15:23 (permalink)
Nor sure if already been posted. But they are looking too nice 🤓
 
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Nor sure if already been posted. But they are looking too nice 🤓
 
https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/145429-evga-shows-geforce-rtx-3090-xc3-ftw3-gpus/
 


I really like the look of the XC3.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 09:21:36 (permalink)
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Add the fact that the 3080 may be VRAM limited with next gen console ports, to say nothing of VR (seeing 10.5GB of usage in Half Life: Alyx on the Index, and I'm upgrading to the Reverb G2 with 5.5% more actual resolution). 

There is a difference between VRAM allocated and VRAM used
https://youtu.be/mxsBZgHM7CE?t=26m15s

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 09:49:32 (permalink)
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vulcan1978

Add the fact that the 3080 may be VRAM limited with next gen console ports, to say nothing of VR (seeing 10.5GB of usage in Half Life: Alyx on the Index, and I'm upgrading to the Reverb G2 with 5.5% more actual resolution). 

There is a difference between VRAM allocated and VRAM used
https://youtu.be/mxsBZgHM7CE?t=26m15s


I definitely think 10GB is a little light when the Steam hardware survey shows an average of 8GB VRAM. I think it’s inevitable to see a refresh with 20GB, especially if the AMD 16GB rumors pan out.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 10:09:48 (permalink)
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I feel pretty safe with a 3090 that no matter how things shuffle underneath it will remain the top card just like 2080ti did last time.

It seems like you are ignoring the TITAN RTX for some reason? The 3090 is being promoted as a TITAN-level card.
 
You can't arbitrarily ignore it based upon price: The MSRP of the TITAN RTX was 150% higher than the 2080 Ti, while the 3090 is 114% higher than the 3080. So the 20 Series price gap wasn't radically different than the 30 Series gap.
 
In fact, very few people paid $1000 USD for a 2080 Ti, with many or most paying ~$1200 - $1700+.


And we have already seen a leaked Quadro with the full GA102 die with 48GB GDDR6 just switch that to 24GB GDDR6X at the full 21Gbps instead of 19Gbps and they have a Titan with 5-10% more performance than the 3090. Plus there still is a GA100 die with no announced products. 


The GA100 is used in the A100 datacenter accelerator and *100 dies almost never appear in consumer GPUs.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 30 Series with iCX3 Technology! 2020/09/14 10:28:04 (permalink)
Omoeba
F5alcon
Flonkam
rdmetz
I feel pretty safe with a 3090 that no matter how things shuffle underneath it will remain the top card just like 2080ti did last time.

It seems like you are ignoring the TITAN RTX for some reason? The 3090 is being promoted as a TITAN-level card.
 
You can't arbitrarily ignore it based upon price: The MSRP of the TITAN RTX was 150% higher than the 2080 Ti, while the 3090 is 114% higher than the 3080. So the 20 Series price gap wasn't radically different than the 30 Series gap.
 
In fact, very few people paid $1000 USD for a 2080 Ti, with many or most paying ~$1200 - $1700+.


And we have already seen a leaked Quadro with the full GA102 die with 48GB GDDR6 just switch that to 24GB GDDR6X at the full 21Gbps instead of 19Gbps and they have a Titan with 5-10% more performance than the 3090. Plus there still is a GA100 die with no announced products. 


The GA100 is used in the A100 datacenter accelerator and *100 dies almost never appear in consumer GPUs.


Yeah I don't expect the GA100 to end up in a Titan unless Big Navi is significantly faster than a 3090, which is not expected. Nvidia is not about to let AMD have a faster flagship. 
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